Topic: Polish-registered recyclix.com is a Ponzi scheme and provably so. - page 20. (Read 95492 times)

Let's try to fight against these new affirmations:

1)The Consob (that you should know before talking about it) is an Italian Organization that stated ONLY two things:
- Recyclix has not given to Consob a prospectus about the supposed finantial investment to them before offering their services to italian customers
- Recyclix result not to be on a list of cases on which this could even not be done
Then after a Goverment Organization Full Check results only that some formal documents has not been given by them.
2)The payment from Roman Parra is false because for Paypal payment there is a fee commission of 3.5% applied at the beginning (not at the end) whereas we have a 6.15% fee on the payment applied at the end of the payment you are posting here. Can't Recyclix have used at the beginning Roman Parra Exchange Service to transfer the money (as also normal people did)?
3)Actually Payments from Paypal are being payed by Agribest OU, why don't you find more about this instead of looking for 1 year ago payments?
4)Everyone can watch the Open Days and everyone can see that all that they prepared cost so much and can't be prepared artificially.
5)The Open Days people have been selected basically considering the time on which they submitted the request. I know many of them personally and i can see them on the live then you can't say they have organized all even with the people.
6)I know that the Italian Site has not been translated very well too and i don't actually know why the translations aren't very good but this isn't a prove of something.
7)Talking about the Contract with McDonalds they will surely give more informations about that. Just look at this afternoon conference.
8)Do you know the facebook profiles of the people who works in their staff? They are rare to find but they are normal people as everyone with family and so on...reading all this informations about this Medellin company i can only laugh thinking at the Tv Series Narcos because i really think that recyclix and this stuff are not related.

I actually think that some things of Recyclix Operations still have to be understood by i think recyclix can really be legit.

Oh let's add one thing...in the previews statement about Consob decision...it is said that Recyclix.com started in the late of 2015. But the payment from Roman Parra is on June 2015. Then...how is this possible...someone here is making more than a mistake.

Tick Tock Roman Parra!

Time to goooooo
Time to goooooo
Time to goooooo /self-indulgent Pink Floyd reference

The net is closing in:
http://behindmlm.com/companies/recyclix-suspension-ordered-by-italian-securities-regulator/#more-31790

I like dancing forklift trucks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnroiWrjyU Witch such organization of manufacturing process and a few people doing just some chaotic segregation, factory can earn even 158% in one week and share profits with hundreds investors worldwide 

Take a look live open days https://goo.gl/2Bl2as

Or maybe you can post the "Bitcointalk account dox" on the Investigations board and leave this "Recyclix.com dox" here, that might work. The rules are still a bit green on this I think.


No shit, Sherlock 

Yeah, I thought so too, that's what the '...' is for, so people can find them on their own.

CD, if you post the bitcointalk accounts you'll be doxing them and the dox will get moved out of google's view. Just sayin'.

Oh I just can't help myself and I know the Recyclix shills and fanbois will be desperately claiming there isn't a connection so, here, let me show you the path from [email protected] Recyclix ponzi scammer through to Roman Parra, supposed respectable Bitcoin entrepreneur.

First, let's remind ourselves of the information revealed by the Recyclix payment back in their early days before they got their shit together:
As you can see they had to process fiat payments through their existing payment processor account, which was registered to a company called 'C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda' for which online searches show a history of fraudulent behaviour. This is where we first meet 'Roman Parra' by way of his hotmail address linked to that payment account.

So, now we've objectively established that the company behind Recyclix is 'C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda', let's see what information can be found about it:
As you can see, it is classed as a small promotions and advertising company.

But who is running the show there?
Oh look! It appears that a gentleman called, 'Roman Eduardo Parra Gonzales' is the full name of the registered manager for this criminal enterprise.


Now, let's set about connecting the scammer Roman Eduardo Parra Gonzales, who owns the email account [email protected] to the supposedly respectable Roman Parra, bitcoin entrepreneur.

Prior to becoming the thieving douchebag he would later choose to be, a young Roman Parra attended University and studied Industrial Production and Engineering. He wrote a detailed thesis on the subject, in Spanish naturally, but we are not particularly interested in the content of this thesis, just the name and email address of the student named as its author:
Roman Parra Gonzales wrote this thesis and, as you see, his email address is the very same [email protected] who would later go on to become the fraudster douchebag behind many online scams.

This is a linkedin page the supposedly respectable bitcoin entrepreneur version of Roman Parra has:
His 'legitimate' business interests are listed there, such as Colbitex, Bitcoin Suramerica and Woodshares, which shares remarkably similar characteristics to the enviro-friendly Recyclix scam as you 'invest' in trees, you know, for the environment! Roman Parra knows his shit when it comes to yanking people's chains about the environment and persuading them to part with their hard-earned cash on the promise of bigger returns, later.

His Twitter account also lists his CEO and Founder status of these companies:
Handily enough, it also shows he has another name after the 'Parra' beginning with 'G' and I'm betting big that is stands for, 'Gonzales'.

Ok, so now we have the 'CEO and Founder' of these supposedly legitimate bitcoin companies with the name 'Roman Parra Gonzales', anybody want to bet there's an 'Eduardo' in there, too?

But let's take a look at the rest of his linkedin page:
How interesting! The supposedly respectable bitcoin entrepreneur version of Roman Parra studied Industrial Production and Engineering, as well as training as a Marketing Specialist. Remember that C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda is listed as an advertising and promotions company? My, how the young engineering student has grown!

Funny how he fails to mention being manager of C.I. Alternative Trade Ltda in the list of companies in his linkedin profile.

It seems it is still active in various scams and can be found mentioned in places such as ScamGuard!
https://www.scamguard.com/million-wishescom/?page=2

Just goes to show, once a scamming douchebag, always a scamming douchebag.

Now, about those bitcointalk accounts and threads he created to promote his 'legitimate' operations. . .

Time for an update!

As many of you know the 'open day' invitation-only event for this scam is being held for the next three days, whereupon the name of the supposed McDonald's contractor they have signed a sub-contract with, will be revealed.

I have absolutely no doubt this will turn out to be equally as much stinky bullshit as the original claim itself. Still, we will have to wait and see how the criminals behind this scam plan to spin this lie.

In the meantime, I was reminded today of a 'payment proof' post made by a recyclix shill last year, which actually showed a hotmail address the payment 'from Recyclix' was being made from. A few short internet searches later and I've made some interesting discoveries!

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Recyclix-Recyclixcom-t493509.html&st=30&p=1109292008#entry1109292008

This email address connects him to a Columbian bitcoin exchange he and his accomplice set up:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/colbitex-colombias-first-bitcoin-exchange-released-in-testnet/

Roman Parra possesses a particular set of skills which show him and his accomplice, Carlos Mesa, to be well suited to the requirements of running and marketing an online industrial-process-based ponzi scam, such as Recyclix. What better way to launder all the bitcoin they are 'earning' than through your own bitcoin exchange! (Also a *great* way to later implement a scam whereby you can steal your exchange's customer bitcoins, too!)

But wait, what's this?. . .oh no! The exchange got shut down!

https://steemit.com/money/@kasper/in-colombia-the-first-cryptocurrency-exchange-market-is-closed-by-the-controller

Now, I'm wondering if the domain registrant details for this exchange are as fake as the "Aleksandr Suranovas" used for the Recyclix.com registration. As has been pointed out, Recyclix's own Polish-language pages are for shit and clearly not written by a native Polish-speaker, which is odd, considering they're supposed to be a Polish operation.

Maybe McDonald's who are currently investigating what the fuck Recyclix are doing to their beloved brand name, might want to point their lawyers towards the above information. Just a suggestion.

Roman Parra and Carlos Mesa are proven to be the fraudsters behind the Recyclix ponzi 'investment' scam. So when it collapses, which I imagine won't be too much longer given the 'McDonalds' fumble, all you 'investors' will know who to pursue!

You're very welcome!


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p.s. Connecting from that hotmail address through to other documents he, Roman Parra, posted online before getting involved in bitcoin-based scams, shows up a number of other dormant and active operations, including some posted here on our very own bitcointalk forum! This means they have forum accounts here and, as a result, admin knows their IP address unless they've been particularly well-disciplined in that regards. I'll write more about the forum accounts and other dodgy schemes in due course. See if you can find them before I post their details!

I know you've calculated from 100, but if he invested 100, he has 120 on investments, if you're such a loyal user of the system you should've taken that into account.

Wait, what? They are selecting the participants for the open days? So basically they don't even need to rent a factory-like building for a few days. Just buy a bunch of "selected" puppet accounts on facebook to brag about it.

Or they just will select dozen of people they are working with them in that "business", make some movie, et voila :-)
 
3 additional facts:

Polish version of their website is not written in clear polish language. Sure not written by Pole. They forgot to hire someone to do proofreading.

They practically have no sales offer. Looks that are not interested in selling their granulate.

They did not deliver financial report for 2014/2015 to National Registry Court (KRS). And this is obligation for each company registered in KRS.

Yeah they still have the claim to be working with McDonald's on their website and facebook timeline, only now they say that it is a sub-contract through an existing McDonald's partner. When asked who that is they refuse to say right now, but assure people they will answer it on the 'open day' events they are having on the 20th-23rd of this month. An open day they keep reminding people is only to be attended by those who have been selected. I think their plan is to claim they named the sub-contractor to the attendees but on the condition it was not to be divulged to anyone because otherwise they'll be 'harassed' by people.

That's my prediction for how they'll probably try to spin that debunked McDonald's lie. Otherwise if they name this supposed sub-contractor then all it is going to take is another query to McDonald's and even if they name a genuine sub-contractor of McDonald's, there is no way that McD would allow such an association when the briefest of internet searches shows Recyclix to be a scam.


Absolutely. Their bullshit excuse for not giving the location of their facility is absurd:

Good job. As I have said previously, it is important that there are plenty of resources for people to learn the facts about this scam in many languages.

Of course that Recyclix is Ponzi scheme. Smart one, with lot of smoke and mirrors but easy to expose if one have a bit of experience in real business. It was enough to verify mentioned "Mc Donald contract" , nice job :-).

Now in Poland starts Investigation committee in Polish Parliment regarding another Ponzi scheme. It was  called Amber Gold and people invested in "gold". More than 100 mln EUR disappeared from small investor pockets. They even bought they own airline and corrupted high rank politicians. So imagine how easy is to buy/lease some old factory with one machine to prepare "open days" :-)

This investing in "waste" seems to bo sense of humour popular among prisoners, refering to this biggest Ponzi in Poland (Amber Gold).
Some more explanation in polish here: http://transatlantycki.blogspot.com/2016/09/recyclix-inwestowaes-juz-z-gold-pora-na.html

Uhm... are you saying that if there was an infinite supply of fools bringing money in then it wouldn't "become Ponzi"?

Which kind of business model? Unfortunately recyclix doesn't provide a valuable business model.

There are several hints, that they don't have it. I spoke with the German "headquarter" and he couldn't explain me a lot of things. I was really interested, because who don't want to earn money as fast and easy they promise.

Sure they rent some recycling fabrics to make sightseen tours for their victims investors and they spent regulary time on some fairs. But real business model is missing.

I don't need to think if the numbers on the screen are real or not real when the claimed business underlying them cannot possibly be making the amount of profit needed to offer their 'investors' the high returns they do.

Plastics recycling across the world is struggling to survive due to the slump in oil prices. None of them are making anything like the sort of income from it that Recyclix would have to be making.

Therefore the *only* way for them to be structured and offer the claimed returns that they do, is as a ponzi scheme.

You dont have any clues these "numbers" are real or not real, and plastic recycle are real or not real, whatever you can google and search all info what recyclix is sponsoring, where the moneys is going. How long you want to go here it's only your decision, not company and not other persons. Here you can make profit with 5tons - 140€ every cycle, and whatever... you believe that or not.

Do you not recognize the new business model, or what you are doing to thereby avoid and to write about it is just the worst way. Yes they charge money. They make from the business. But as long as your understanding of the system will be bad opinion as you and others of your buddies will cry out that it is a Ponzi it is not reliable. If the people will not support the system, and it will become Ponzi. This is understandable. But when you press this the perfect system to despair, to convince people to do not invest in the system, what remains and think about you.

That is not the point I was raising at all.

The point is to do with the 'system' of investment being acutely setup to ensure the minimal number of withdrawals and the maximum amount of fund retention, otherwise the ponzi *will* collapse.

Remember, they are not actually making any money, they are a ponzi scam. For all that 'profit' on the screen their users see after having deposited their own payment to Recyclix as the initial 'investment' and run through multiple 'cycles', it is crucial that only a tiny fraction of it is ever taken out of the system. Certainly it needs to be less going out than new deposits coming in, hence the push into new countries to con the poor and credulous out of their hard-earned money on the promise of insane returns.

They also count on newbies misunderstanding the process by way of their convoluted scheme involving the supposed handling of this waste and conversion into plastic granules, with many believing they will make a profit after the first five-week cycle, to find that the 'profit' only actually occurs by 'compounding', through restarting the cycle many times.

As people see the numbers on the screen reach larger and larger amounts they become more motivated to 'compound' that supposed profit, over and over again, thereby ensuring that their initial investment remains in the system.

For every user who does cash out more than they invested the 'profit' is simply money which other people deposited, who are going through their own repeat cycles and who haven't cashed out more than their initial investment and are equally hypnotized by the numbers on the screen.

But the whole system comes crashing down rapidly if they do not get more new deposits and, even then, as the number of 'investors' increases there is the fact that a larger amount of withdrawal requests will be being made, requiring EVEN MORE new investors be found to make deposits.

Then math comes along and blows the whole house of cards down.

When it goes it goes down real fast and the moment you start to hear of withdrawal requests not being processed is the moment it is too late because your subsequent withdrawal request isn't going to be processed, either.