Topic: Poll: is it OK to send merits to your own alts? - page 4. (Read 23161 times)

 - You sent 40 points to your own post.
 - You gave an excuse that it was done to post images, which doesn't make sense for a number of reasons.
 - Your other excuse (a "team" will use the account) is equivalent to account farming and sale.
 - You're multi-posting with alts in this thread.

I have removed a bunch of your posts - feel free to create your own thread and repost them there but I won't tolerate serial posting using sockpuppets.

Oh boy. How many accounts do you have? Any chance we could stick to one account per person in this thread at least?

MikeMike sent 40 merits to KORE - DEV for this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-kore-tor-masternodes-browser-voip-aether-os-korephone-korebay-funded-2096416

Who created that post? Here's a quote to help you out:

Those Merits were sent yes in part to show clearly they were sent by me to the new KORE - DEV account for the KORE Team.
I am not the only person who has the creds to that account.

What I am presenting is a viable argument for change or consideration for you to be reasonable.
This is how progress and change happens.
You can stick to your explanations but in this matter they dont hold water.
The KORE Team will also have the creds to this account.

Here's my vote, suchmoon, "you are not important"...suchmoon gets a gold medal in the imbecile Olympics.  Suchmoon is trapped in the virtual world.  Try to get out and go for a walk or something it might do you some good.  Or, start up your own forum and you can do whatever you want.

Whats what with this vote crap.  You don't own bitcointalk (unless i'm mistaken)

No. That's not what merits are for.


I think so. You didn't earn those merits from other people. You didn't earn that positive trust either BTW.


You keep insisting you did nothing wrong. I started this poll in part because of that. And the result was 36:0 before you showed up. It's 36:2 now. Can you tell us why?


The forum already prevents sending merits to yourself (i.e. the same account). There is also a limit of 50 per account per month. There is sufficient precedent to make this "property" argument moot. I don't think sMerits are ours to own, we're supposed to send them to other people.

I would like to say this is not something I would do myself, nor is something I would personally condone.

With the above being said, someone has sMerits because they ultimately previously made a post someone thought is deserving of merit. As such, I consider sMerit (assuming they are not spending sMerit they have resulting from what they received from being a merit source) to be their property, and I am not a fan of telling others what they can and cannot do with their own property.

The underlying reason why others believe sending merit to your alts is because of the conflict of interest. However, as previously mentioned, the ultimate reason why someone has sMerit to spend in the first place is because someone thought they made (a) good post(s) in the past; the reason someone will send merit to themselves is to rank up, however if someone earned merit in the 1st place, there isn't any real reason why someone couldn't make good posts with their alt to earn merit from someone else.

Back to the topic of conflict of interest, a bigger concern is when people send merit to someone who they have a business (or other) relationship with. If there is a relationship between two people, there may be financial (or other) reasons why someone is giving merit to that person. It could easily be argued that the merit sender thought the post in question was deserving of merit. Unlike with cases of sending merit to yourself, it would not be trivial for the receiving account to earn the merit if there is already merit to spend in the 1st place.

OK, thanks.
I edited my previous post.
Please review it again...

You need to be a Junior Member to post images, which has an activity requirement of 28 in addition to a Merit requirement of 1.

Again "Intent" needs to be considered.
The fact is only after I received this negative feedback which is clearly unwarranted did I add each account to each others trust.
Still even IF I did this beforehand it would have been and was done to prove it is the legitimate Corporate Dev account for the KORE Projects.

Even with 50 Merit for some reason I could not post pictures.
Only after I paid for a Copper Membership was I able to post pictures.

I see by looking at your and suchmoon's Trust level that you both are here very active in trying to protect people.
I respect that.
But in this matter I/The KORE Team clearly from the beginning have been very open and forthright what the KORE - DEV account was for and why it was created.
Please realize we had an old KORE Team member create the last set of Language threads and they ended up leaving
without giving us access to that account.
Now they need to be recreated and my intent was to make sure this never happened again.


MikeMike

Isn't that what trust is for? Leave a neutral rating from each account to the other to confirm that it is a trusted account. As a side note, you've left yourself positive trust, which is also generally frowned upon.



This reasoning might have been valid if you had left yourself 1 merit, since it only takes 1 merit to be able to post images, not 40.

I think there is a valid reason to send Merit to a "Corporate Type" account
setup by the main Developer so as to manage multiple threads and projects.
It is given to denote the trust level the original Developer is designating to that legitimate account.
The account creds are held by the Team and others will be posting since it is too much work for any one individual.
Specially since it takes Merit to be able to post pictures and the threads need to be created soon.
NOTE:
At the time I was not aware of the option to buy a "copper Membership" that allows you to post pictures...

Below is my reasoning taken from the negative feedback and the reference links.
Please read it all carefully prior to responding to this post.

Also what must be considered is "Intent".
Did I do this to deceive people?
I fully agree those whom buy accounts with lots of Merit and trust and history
like some well known major coins devs do here should not be tolerated.
I also believe that those whom send Merit to deceive people should not be tolerated.

I have sent 3 DMs to suchmoon asking him to be reasonable in this matter with no reply.
I also asked the Mods to at least ask him to turn it neutral and keep a watchful eye on me/The KORE Team using
the KORE - DEV account and to see if we scam people which we will not. Our projects are real and we have invested hundreds of BTC into them.

MikeMike

EDIT:
Since one of my other posts were deleted Im adding these facts here:
An old KORE Team member called Clutch who was responsible for all the Language threads
left the Team and did not give us his creds.
We are releasing a new wallet soon and in my post made clear what the account was for.
I made sure to give the KORE Team the creds to the account and in time others will be posting.
My intent was to never have that happen again losing access to OP pages etc.







Here is the negative feedback reference link suchmoon the creator of this thread gave me:
http://archive.vn/aIT07#selection-2761.0-2790.6












Here is my reply to the negative feedback:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771
















My third attempt to reach out to  suchmoon.
Below is copy of this PM.
Look at the time stamp:
KORE - DEV / MikeMike negative feedback
« Sent to: suchmoon on: January 04, 2019, 07:33:01 PM »


Note the time stamp of the creation of this thread suchmoon created here:
Poll: is it OK to send merits to your own alts?
January 04, 2019, 09:10:54 PM

This IMO shows a clear refusal to be reasonable in this matter...
This is unprofessional behavior.
Please read these pms in their entirety prior to commenting...