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Topic: Poll: is it OK to send merits to your own alts? (Read 23171 times)

hero member
Activity: 1806
Merit: 672
Ok, definetly merit system fucked the forum. People just merit posts in their favor (Vod). And there are so many posts that are so much worth the merit and everyone just avoids them just because they are newbies.

There is not enough merit on going on the network. This is what I believe.

Also I have seen dark green trusted member getting merit for 2 words posts. Those people should be banned. That's my opinion. I might be wrong Huh
Maybe because you are an account seller that is why you are fucked up the most by the merit system. We all have different views about the merits system but the ones who are making the forum a business platform tends to express their opinions negatively. First of all there wouldn't be a merit system if most members here didn't abuse the previous activity only ranking system. But some abusive minds like you made it into a business so that is why we have the merit system now it is just a product of your own wrongdoing.
legendary
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2219
💲🏎️💨🚓
I'm 100% against it. It's no different than sending trust to your alt, Ban evasion with a 2nd account, or any other way to cheat the system.

I can only echo the sentiments of others that I don't trust alts that have been given glowing trust (in any form) by themselves - it's as though they are preening themselves in front of a mirror saying "I trust you"... "oh stop it! I trust you too!"
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
I'm not cooking up plans to abuse the system dumbass is showing exactly how vulnerable the system is.

You're not showing anything new. There have been many newbies trying to butter up merit senders in what they thought would high-earning threads but that never works to any appreciable extent.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 286
Well this is my opinion and I saw it a lot. And regarding newbies I am not going to spend my alcoholic free time to report random posts lol

Then please don't spend your precious free time posting about it ever again. Thank you.

Why? It is my right to write about my showing more proves about it is not my obligation. Tho is a known fact and I have noticed it a lot of times. Just follow the post he gave merit over the last months (vod)

ps. I have nothing with this user but just I noticed this bad behavior.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
Voted no, cos its SKAMTASTIC
full member
Activity: 330
Merit: 130
Ⓚ Kore Application Developer Ⓚ
i have seen plenty of posts that were exceedingly helpful and they gained 0 merit. some were understandable as they were much older posts however i have seen plenty of new helpful and informative posts in random threads that received no merit.

Then you should report those posts instead of cooking up plans to abuse the system: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-moderated-report-unmerited-good-posts-to-merit-source-5093271

I'm not cooking up plans to abuse the system dumbass is showing exactly how vulnerable the system is. if I wanted to abuse the system I could have easily done so the second it came out and i would have tens of thousands of merit. I dont plan on abusing the system, look at my merit, does it look like I'm abusing the system to you? piss off with your bullshit and libelous accusations. Again, if I wanted to abuse the system, i could have easily done so within hours of it being released and I still can because they don't care about making the system true. if I wanted to abuse the system why the fucking HELL would I post exactly how it could be done and why the HELL would i post how to fix it? if you really think I'm that stupid (which it's pretty obvious that's what you think) I still wouldn't report or give any feedback of the system. if I was abusing it I would say "NO! it's a great system! all you have to do is post helpful content!" instead of telling you exactly how broken and vulnerable it is. You know exactly my reason for posting the vulnerability and you try to shoot me in the foot with it with lies that you know are lies about me and my intent. that is the definition of libel. I seriously thought you had a moral compass and that your reports were just false negatives that you truly believed were honest. Well, maybe I was dumb about you.

I figured out your game, whether it is intentional or not, I see right through you.

Chill. this will be the last acknowledgment of your existence I make until you grow the hell up.


Maybe, just maybe, because of you I will complete that script. ill talk to the owners of the forum and give them my vuln list for merit, as a RESPONSIBLE person should, and if they don't fix it within three months (more than enough time to fix this issue) ill release the script

Matrix


EDIT: I have just messaged theymos
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Well this is my opinion and I saw it a lot. And regarding newbies I am not going to spend my alcoholic free time to report random posts lol

Then please don't spend your precious free time posting about it ever again. Thank you.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 286
And there are so many posts that are so much worth the merit and everyone just avoids them just because they are newbies.

I hear this a lot, and I spend a lot of time looking for good newbie posts to merit, and usually come up empty handed. I must be looking in the wrong places. Please report all these good newbie posts that are worthy of merit to us merit sources so that we can merit them - [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source.


Also I have seen dark green trusted member getting merit for 2 words posts. Those people should be banned. That's my opinion. I might be wrong Huh

You are wrong. theymos has explicitly said that you are free to merit whoever you want for whatever you want:

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly.

Well this is my opinion and I saw it a lot. And regarding newbies I am not going to spend my alcoholic free time to report random posts lol
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18771
And there are so many posts that are so much worth the merit and everyone just avoids them just because they are newbies.

I hear this a lot, and I spend a lot of time looking for good newbie posts to merit, and usually come up empty handed. I must be looking in the wrong places. Please report all these good newbie posts that are worthy of merit to us merit sources so that we can merit them - [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source.


Also I have seen dark green trusted member getting merit for 2 words posts. Those people should be banned. That's my opinion. I might be wrong Huh

You are wrong. theymos has explicitly said that you are free to merit whoever you want for whatever you want:

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly.
sr. member
Activity: 560
Merit: 286
Ok, definetly merit system fucked the forum. People just merit posts in their favor (Vod). And there are so many posts that are so much worth the merit and everyone just avoids them just because they are newbies.

There is not enough merit on going on the network. This is what I believe.

Also I have seen dark green trusted member getting merit for 2 words posts. Those people should be banned. That's my opinion. I might be wrong Huh
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
i have seen plenty of posts that were exceedingly helpful and they gained 0 merit. some were understandable as they were much older posts however i have seen plenty of new helpful and informative posts in random threads that received no merit.

Then you should report those posts instead of cooking up plans to abuse the system: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-moderated-report-unmerited-good-posts-to-merit-source-5093271
hero member
Activity: 1806
Merit: 672
Its like judging your own work. If this is how we grade ourselves during our thesis phase I would grade my 1 page work to 100 even if it is just the cover page. I don't see how this is any different from trading merits because one way or another your alts will send back some merits to your account/s. It is simply an abuse of the merit system in my own opinion. BTW MikeMike's reasoning is really bad 40 sMerits on an announcement? I wish I was the one announcing so that I could earn that easily.
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 6382
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If you truely think the merit system is not broken in any way, boy are you sorely mistaken

I can't tell it's already broken or not. I can tell for sure it's not 100% functional yet. I have the feeling that many users that could send merit don't do that or do it insufficiently.


Lol, you don't have to scrape threads to find merit, theymos publishes a data dump for it.

There's also that website from Vod's signature, with all the data nicely structured for each user.
hero member
Activity: 1659
Merit: 687
LoyceV on the road. Or couch.
Lol, you don't have to scrape threads to find merit, theymos publishes a data dump for it.
full member
Activity: 330
Merit: 130
Ⓚ Kore Application Developer Ⓚ
It's even worse. Why is merit needed? To rank up. Why is ranking up important? For earning (bounty, signature,...).
I just want to wear a(nother) hat Cheesy

Cheesy you get plenty of Merit for your helpful posts even for the second account, and you named both accounts the same. You'll get your hat, don't worry.
You know that this was not about you, you don't pose a risk to the (Merit) system. Wink

False, you get plenty of merit for posting helpful posts in the RIGHT threads with the RIGHT people, i have seen plenty of posts that were exceedingly helpful and they gained 0 merit. some were understandable as they were much older posts however i have seen plenty of new helpful and informative posts in random threads that received no merit. i could easily heavily abuse the system with a simple dataminer and then go to the right threads and post long and informative posts to get loads of merit. how would you do it?
simple, the forum software is very simple, you notice that the post url is just a post ID and not a post name this means you could make a timed for loop in python
e.g.
Code:
import urllib2
from time import sleep
header = {'User-Agent': 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.64 Safari/537.11',
       'Accept': 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8',
       'Accept-Charset': 'ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.3',
       'Accept-Encoding': 'none',
       'Accept-Language': 'en-US,en;q=0.8',
       'Connection': 'keep-alive'}

for i in range(10000): #goto every page between 1 and 10001
    urlbase = "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic={}" #of this url
    request = urllib2.Request(urlbase, headers=header) #with this request
    response = urllib2.urlopen(request) #and download the response
    html = response.read() # and read the downloaded response
    print html

    sleep(5) # then sleep for five seconds so as to not trigger the ddos-protection blacklist


then you could easily parse the data for who merits the posts and how much they merited (i am not going to post the code for this because im not going to enable, if you know enough (literally that code is exactly seven minutes of google and writing (i dont code in python)) then you could run another script to check the profile of the users who merit the most and then view where that user mostly posts and output that to a file, spend 20 minutes researching the coin and post in their thread a detailed help system for new users and bam easy free merit. its a broken system that is crazy easy to abuse, in an hour of my time i could easily abuse the system to get tons of merit. of course id have to run the python script overnight to get enough data and parse it to be able to use that hour best but still, one day and you could have hundreds if not thousands of merit.

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you don't pose a risk to the (Merit) system. Wink

This is not a threat, but i myself, someone who doesnt know a damn thing about python, could easily destroy the entire merit system by finishing that little script, integrating a database utilization, and releasing it for free. Bitcointalk would need a massive update to how the entire software runs in order to mitigate that, not just to the merit system.
first, they would have to remove the ability for you to see who merits you, then they would have to remove the ability to see what posts were merited, they would also have to change how the forum recognizes threads, as well as blocking you from seeing who has what amount of merit. blocking that specific header will do nothing, i know how to have things use random headers.
hell i dont even need access to the post, this url gives me everything i need and MORE
Code:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u={userID here}

If you truely think the merit system is not broken in any way, boy are you sorely mistaken

Matrix
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 6382
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It's even worse. Why is merit needed? To rank up. Why is ranking up important? For earning (bounty, signature,...).
I just want to wear a(nother) hat Cheesy

Cheesy you get plenty of Merit for your helpful posts even for the second account, and you named both accounts the same. You'll get your hat, don't worry.
You know that this was not about you, you don't pose a risk to the (Merit) system. Wink
hero member
Activity: 2030
Merit: 578
No God or Kings, only BITCOIN.

Indeed, the obvious answer to the poll is no.

Yes answers will be persecuted as it will not be aligning to the norm.


I just want to wear a(nother) hat Cheesy

How I wish I can get one someday.
hero member
Activity: 1659
Merit: 687
LoyceV on the road. Or couch.
It's even worse. Why is merit needed? To rank up. Why is ranking up important? For earning (bounty, signature,...).
I just want to wear a(nother) hat Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 6382
Looking for campaign manager? Contact icopress!
Have you ever heard a story of a heroic soldier who gave himself the Medal of Honor as a reward for his own bravery? Of course not!

It's even worse. Why is merit needed? To rank up. Why is ranking up important? For earning (bounty, signature,...).
So if somebody merits his own alt, next steps would be either use the alt (too) in signature/bounty campaigns, either sell it.
The result would be that some older members of the forum would cheat/defeat the actual purpose of the Merit system.

Indeed, the obvious answer to the poll is no.
hero member
Activity: 2030
Merit: 578
No God or Kings, only BITCOIN.
Definitely not, it is just like praising oneself for the thing that you've just did or laughing to your own joke and I think that is only present to fools.


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