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Quote from: Fredomago on March 16, 2023, 10:59:13 AM

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~ Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

Same with how I define my side, data that being provided by AI can be used as a good basis, and if you see that your perceptions together with AI's analysis showing good potentials then why bother to spare some portion of your bankroll and wait if how the outcome will be, either it will support your knowledge and win or the other way around.

Again, the decision will depend on how a gambler sees the opportunity, using AI or not to use it will be on your own take.

AI could really be useful if we do speak about researching up things specifically on which it could really be that used into adding up into your analysis or would really be trying to prove it out.
This is why it is really better to believe on that you could really be able to make use of these AI the other way around rather than on making yourself believing that it would
really be that significant for it to be that effective when making up a choice which we know that this isnt something reliable and it would really be always better
that you are the ones who do make out the decision when choosing bets.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 06:03:06 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 12, 2023, 09:42:14 AM

~ Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

Same with how I define my side, data that being provided by AI can be used as a good basis, and if you see that your perceptions together with AI's analysis showing good potentials then why bother to spare some portion of your bankroll and wait if how the outcome will be, either it will support your knowledge and win or the other way around.

Again, the decision will depend on how a gambler sees the opportunity, using AI or not to use it will be on your own take.

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Quote from: Strongkored on March 16, 2023, 01:11:55 AM

Quote from: Cantsay on March 15, 2023, 07:00:30 PM

Has anyone here tried to use the newly released chatGPT-4 to try to predict a match?

I'm curious to know how this version works if it still refuses to predict matches or has been upgraded. I read it can even generate and interpret the content of an image, unlike the previous version.
I know AI shouldn't be relied on for predictions but for curiosity's sake, I just want to know how it works.

Tried it the result is still the same that GPT-4 also can't give a result of what will happen in the future, if we enter the odds of one of the matches then it will also have the same result lower odds favorite to win with additional information that everything is possible happen, and I don't think the development will change things as much as it can let us get information about the result of a match that will happen in the future, or maybe not for now but I doubt it can be implemented either because bookmakers will go bankrupt.

Well, I guess we'll just have to stick to our lucky charms and gut feelings for now. But who knows, maybe in the future we'll have an AI that can predict our luck as accurately as weather forecasters predict the weather. Until then, let's keep playing and hoping for the best!

But, I doubt that bookmakers would go out of business by AI technology since they would likely be among the first to use it - if they haven't already, especially if it provides them with an edge over the players. The fact is, the current AI technology is highly proficient at analyzing vast quantities of data, better than any human can do.

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Quote from: Mahanton on March 15, 2023, 06:36:03 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 06:03:06 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 12, 2023, 09:42:14 AM

~ Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

You would find it for yourself on the time you would be testing out.If it does really work then all of us would really be making use of AI.Just like been mentioned by others is that if they
do really work then dont we think that gambling companies would really just let these things to happen? Of course not.This is why it cant really be that possible for an AI to predict on what are the things
that would happen in the future.Its not something being built for speculative things but for other things like accumulated information which you do need then it is really what been used for.

You want to know how AI predicts the future, right? And I get it. We don't know everything about this weird new gadget. AI can misbehave while reviewing large amounts of data.

If you want to peer into a crystal ball, you have to be honest and remember that AI models are only as good as the data they were taught on. If that data is incorrect or missing, those estimates will be rubbish. In finance and medical, AI is already employed legitimately.

AI is still developing, so pay attention. Even while it's imperfect, it can help us make better choices. Let's keep pushing this fly technology!

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Quote from: Cantsay on March 15, 2023, 07:00:30 PM

Has anyone here tried to use the newly released chatGPT-4 to try to predict a match?

I'm curious to know how this version works if it still refuses to predict matches or has been upgraded. I read it can even generate and interpret the content of an image, unlike the previous version.
I know AI shouldn't be relied on for predictions but for curiosity's sake, I just want to know how it works.

Tried it the result is still the same that GPT-4 also can't give a result of what will happen in the future, if we enter the odds of one of the matches then it will also have the same result lower odds favorite to win with additional information that everything is possible happen, and I don't think the development will change things as much as it can let us get information about the result of a match that will happen in the future, or maybe not for now but I doubt it can be implemented either because bookmakers will go bankrupt.

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Has anyone here tried to use the newly released chatGPT-4 to try to predict a match?

I'm curious to know how this version works if it still refuses to predict matches or has been upgraded. I read it can even generate and interpret the content of an image, unlike the previous version.
I know AI shouldn't be relied on for predictions but for curiosity's sake, I just want to know how it works.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 06:03:06 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 12, 2023, 09:42:14 AM

~ Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

You would find it for yourself on the time you would be testing out.If it does really work then all of us would really be making use of AI.Just like been mentioned by others is that if they
do really work then dont we think that gambling companies would really just let these things to happen? Of course not.This is why it cant really be that possible for an AI to predict on what are the things
that would happen in the future.Its not something being built for speculative things but for other things like accumulated information which you do need then it is really what been used for.

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Quote from: len01 on March 15, 2023, 11:06:08 AM

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in conclusion self-predictions or AI-assisted predictions or ChatGPT, it's just a way to get closer to our luck.

even though in the end the result we will receive is only luck or unlucky but if we have a prediction in any way it is the same as we have an effort to chase luck. it's much better than just being silent and betting without predictions like not having any approach with luck.

Yes, absolutely right.

At the end of the day the casinos know the odds very well, that's the reality, and they publish the payouts to make sure they have an advantage based on those odds.

In some games, they make a huge margin, and in others, the margin is smaller.

The key thing is to use your brain or an AI to basically identify the smaller margins and bet there.

Now, in some cases, maybe in sport betting, maybe there will be some opportunities in which you or AI will be able to know more than what the casino knows, therefore making the margin a bit smaller. Those are great opportunities.

Having said that, casinos will always have an advantage, otherwise they won't offer that bet.

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 11, 2023, 11:52:42 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on March 11, 2023, 06:19:04 AM

I see many people talking about ChatGPT these days if they can use ChatGPT for their business, for trading or even for gambling. While the whole point about ChatGPT is it's just an AI and this is not something new in the world for us to help gamblers or other people. While the gambling system is based on luck and randomly so there should be no algorithm for it ChatGPT will also use the data provided for the engine to predict anything, that's why I think using ChatGPT won't help at all.

Agreed, but for those gamblers who can't make decisions on their own or there are many who manage their gambling based on luck only , this chat GPT can provide a decision. Since luck is a big factor in gambling, it is better if the gambler can win with the help of this AI. But winning in gambling does not depend solely on luck and there is no chance to avoid luck. Need to research thoroughly and then some one can depend on luck. One should never rely on chat GPT. Because it will provide information only depending on the data.

in conclusion self-predictions or AI-assisted predictions or ChatGPT, it's just a way to get closer to our luck.

even though in the end the result we will receive is only luck or unlucky but if we have a prediction in any way it is the same as we have an effort to chase luck. it's much better than just being silent and betting without predictions like not having any approach with luck.

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Quote from: nullama on March 14, 2023, 05:44:55 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 06:03:06 AM

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You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

There is a limit to what our brains can calculate intuitively though.

For example, you don't need to calculate the math for throwing a rock and hitting something. You can do this without "thinking" because our brains evolved in that direction. It's just native to us, we just "know" how fast and in which direction to throw the rock. No need for physics equations.

But, for many other things we're actually quite bad at this. For example statistics. We have a very poor native feeling for statistics. In those cases we need math because our intuition is often wrong. See Monty Hall paradox as an example.

With ChatGPT and other AI systems we will be able to tap into maths in a more natural way.

This has a point.

As humans, our capabilities has limitations. Most of the time, people suck at math. And that's already a big problem if you want to engage in gambling industry because you have to do a lot of math, from placing your bets, to calculation of the risks and the probability of winning based on the odds and the information at hand. So it will be a tough time if you'll only rely from your stock knowledge. You really have to do a research to make sure you are betting on the right choice.

However, despite our limitations, we shouldn't fully rely on using AI to predict outcomes then bet on it negligently. We could use AI to check and compare predictions but not rely on it solely because AI won't also guaranteed a win despite it having many resources. Since sometimes, the resources stored are outdated and there are other angles that haven't been analyzed in terms of considering other factors which might be relevant and timely.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 14, 2023, 06:03:06 AM

~snip~
You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

There is a limit to what our brains can calculate intuitively though.

For example, you don't need to calculate the math for throwing a rock and hitting something. You can do this without "thinking" because our brains evolved in that direction. It's just native to us, we just "know" how fast and in which direction to throw the rock. No need for physics equations.

But, for many other things we're actually quite bad at this. For example statistics. We have a very poor native feeling for statistics. In those cases we need math because our intuition is often wrong. See Monty Hall paradox as an example.

With ChatGPT and other AI systems we will be able to tap into maths in a more natural way.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 12, 2023, 09:42:14 AM

~ Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

You shouldn't rely on AI completely, that's for sure, but it is still not known whether using our knowledge is better than AI's recommendations. If we knew everything and were always right, then asking AI about something would be pointless, I agree. But the thing is that we know from our own experience that we are often wrong in making decisions. Too often to rely only on our knowledge or on our feeling what to do. We need a support, and AI can provide us with that support.

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on March 12, 2023, 04:27:24 AM

We all use statistics when we gamble. Yes, we are not as successful as AI at some jobs. However, we create analysis by comparing statistics enough to make a good evaluation. Nevertheless, despite all these positive efforts, we sometimes fail. I know an AI can do better than us. I agree that there may be some difference between us and AI. But this difference cannot be that big of a difference. Because we will evaluate the same data. I don't think we will produce very different results. I think they will be wrong as much as we are.

Generalizing the factors then I can say that the chance is still the same, as we will evaluate those data and this information that AI will provide, though AI got the advantages in terms of analysing much wide information against human intellectual capabilities, but in terms of decision making, it's still best to sort all the information and decide according to how you understand the game.

There are differences, but in the final decision making, it's still trustable to use your own knowledge instead of leaning from AI recommendations.

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We all use statistics when we gamble. Yes, we are not as successful as AI at some jobs. However, we create analysis by comparing statistics enough to make a good evaluation. Nevertheless, despite all these positive efforts, we sometimes fail. I know an AI can do better than us. I agree that there may be some difference between us and AI. But this difference cannot be that big of a difference. Because we will evaluate the same data. I don't think we will produce very different results. I think they will be wrong as much as we are.

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Quote from: Wakate on March 10, 2023, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

I can't even imagine leaving my prediction for artificial intelligence to handle them. This might work for a while but is not the best way. We can easily ask for help but not to allow artificial intelligence to handle everything. If we start making money from the predictions that artificial intelligence makes for us then we will become too lazy to use our brain and put it into work. Gambling is not just relying on something or someone to give of games for us to bet. We need to learn tok by ourselves so we can modify any error and make things better for us.

If letting an AI handle your bets is not up to your preferences then no one can force you to do this, however the whole point of developing an AI is to use it in a problem that is too complex and let it solve it for you.

Many people cannot really hope to ever beat the casinos and they know this, so they are putting their hopes on the use of AI to solve their problems, and even if ChatGPT is unable to do this it would not surprise me if we saw someone develop an AI specifically for this problem during the next years.

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 11, 2023, 11:52:42 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on March 11, 2023, 06:19:04 AM

I see many people talking about ChatGPT these days if they can use ChatGPT for their business, for trading or even for gambling. While the whole point about ChatGPT is it's just an AI and this is not something new in the world for us to help gamblers or other people. While the gambling system is based on luck and randomly so there should be no algorithm for it ChatGPT will also use the data provided for the engine to predict anything, that's why I think using ChatGPT won't help at all.

Agreed, but for those gamblers who can't make decisions on their own or there are many who manage their gambling based on luck only , this chat GPT can provide a decision. Since luck is a big factor in gambling, it is better if the gambler can win with the help of this AI. But winning in gambling does not depend solely on luck and there is no chance to avoid luck. Need to research thoroughly and then some one can depend on luck. One should never rely on chat GPT. Because it will provide information only depending on the data.

That’s a good point. I think there are people out there that get discouraged gambling, and will pretty much bet on anything if it has a chance to be better than their own opinion. I often find myself looking at the list of recent bets, and just following other peoples crazy high odds multibet predictions with a dollar bet hoping to hit me a 3000 to 1 score. It’s just fun sometimes.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on March 11, 2023, 06:19:04 AM

I see many people talking about ChatGPT these days if they can use ChatGPT for their business, for trading or even for gambling. While the whole point about ChatGPT is it's just an AI and this is not something new in the world for us to help gamblers or other people. While the gambling system is based on luck and randomly so there should be no algorithm for it ChatGPT will also use the data provided for the engine to predict anything, that's why I think using ChatGPT won't help at all.

Agreed, but for those gamblers who can't make decisions on their own or there are many who manage their gambling based on luck only , this chat GPT can provide a decision. Since luck is a big factor in gambling, it is better if the gambler can win with the help of this AI. But winning in gambling does not depend solely on luck and there is no chance to avoid luck. Need to research thoroughly and then some one can depend on luck. One should never rely on chat GPT. Because it will provide information only depending on the data.

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Quote from: nullama on March 05, 2023, 06:01:14 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 04, 2023, 07:47:23 AM

I tried to force ChatGPT to make a prediction about the past, or, a retrodiction, if you speak scientifically. Here's the result:

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I think it kinda gives us an impression on how ChatGPT would be predicting the future events if it were connected to the internet today and its database was updating on a daily basis.

Interesting experiment. It makes sense though, chatgpt is not trained to make prediction, instead it just basically mimics what would be searching the web for facts and replying to a question.

In a more dedicated AI, the output could have been different, because it might be trained with different types of data.

That's the thing, there's no single AI, every AI is different, just like every person is different.
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I personally think that different AIs are not as different as humans, but actually I'd like to talk about something else.

Gamblers like me, for example, tend to bet on the underdogs with a very low probability of winning, but with some great multiplier on your bet if you turned out to be right. Would any AI suggest such betting? I don't know, maybe. Imo, it would be to speculate on what kind of data the AI would need for making such suggestions.

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I see many people talking about ChatGPT these days if they can use ChatGPT for their business, for trading or even for gambling. While the whole point about ChatGPT is it's just an AI and this is not something new in the world for us to help gamblers or other people. While the gambling system is based on luck and randomly so there should be no algorithm for it ChatGPT will also use the data provided for the engine to predict anything, that's why I think using ChatGPT won't help at all.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

I can't even imagine leaving my prediction for artificial intelligence to handle them. This might work for a while but is not the best way. We can easily ask for help but not to allow artificial intelligence to handle everything. If we start making money from the predictions that artificial intelligence makes for us then we will become too lazy to use our brain and put it into work. Gambling is not just relying on something or someone to give of games for us to bet. We need to learn tok by ourselves so we can modify any error and make things better for us.

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