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Quote from: nullama on February 28, 2023, 05:19:01 PM

Quote from: redsun114 on February 28, 2023, 04:03:43 PM

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There are alternatives to ChatGPT that can provide the latest information. One such example is ChatSonic, which can provide the latest information, even those that happened in 2023 or in the last month or so. But, that doesn't make it able to predict the future outcome of sports events, or shouldn't be used for placing sports bets.

An AI cannot see things the way a human can. AI can only search resources based on keywords provided and provides information based on the results of that. While a human can analyze a lot of things apart from that. So it is never a good decision to let an AI do the betting for you.

An AI processes the information very differently to how a human does it. But, at the end of the day, human level is mainly stuck at whatever it is right now, whereas AI level keeps getting better all the time.

Inevitably, there will be a point in which AI makes odds predictions better than a human expert in the field. And the thing is that an AI can produce those odds in many fields, whereas a human expert only knows about a narrow field.

It's best to use these tools, and not shy away from them, because they are extremely powerful. Of course, they cannot predict the future with 100% accuracy, but they help a lot.

You got a good point as there are many data that AI can analyze in a short span of time while human can only execute a little less, in terms of analysing and collecting information AI is very useful, most likely, it will going to depend from how a person will take advantage if they know how to use the system,

AI is powerful and there's nothing to argue, with knowledge behind, the edge is good for someone who will integrate into this system.

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We often hear stories about predictions in World Cup football. Some people are using octopus for prediction, some are using robots, etc. These things were often heard. But if we think a little deeper, they seem to be only a place of emotions in the human mind. Where they think maybe what the predictor says will happen. But I never want to disrespect such work I have respect for them. Because a gambler will gamble with his own money where he believes it is right for him. I will not interfere with his place of faithfulness. But in my view it's just giving space to an emotion in the mind. Because reality cannot be judged by artificial intelligence.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 28, 2023, 06:18:48 AM

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

Making your own analysis to make choices in sports betting will be better than using AI for now. But I think with the development of AI by developers, someday AI will evolve into a better form than now. We may not be able to depend on AI to find information about each match and choose a team to place the bet. I am curious about what this AI technology will be like in the future because it seems that it will be interesting to see later, especially if applied in everyday human life and helping our activities.

I don't expect there to be an AI that can predict the future or the outcome of a game, as their knowledge is only based on past information stored in the web. They don't have emotions, which are very vital in predicting the outcome of a game.

I understand that some people want to win consistently, but there is no AI that can provide that. We have to be realistic and understand this.

Maybe we don't expect to see AI predicting matches but if that's the case in the future, we can't do anything about it and can only accept it. After all, today's AI technology is not as perfect as desired, so the parties involved still have to work harder to achieve the desired results. Maybe later, AI will provide the probability of opportunities that a competing team can obtain, and it will be up to us how we can choose the team.

Meanwhile, collecting more valid data may still need us because we are the ones who will choose the stakes.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 28, 2023, 04:03:43 PM

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There are alternatives to ChatGPT that can provide the latest information. One such example is ChatSonic, which can provide the latest information, even those that happened in 2023 or in the last month or so. But, that doesn't make it able to predict the future outcome of sports events, or shouldn't be used for placing sports bets.

An AI cannot see things the way a human can. AI can only search resources based on keywords provided and provides information based on the results of that. While a human can analyze a lot of things apart from that. So it is never a good decision to let an AI do the betting for you.

An AI processes the information very differently to how a human does it. But, at the end of the day, human level is mainly stuck at whatever it is right now, whereas AI level keeps getting better all the time.

Inevitably, there will be a point in which AI makes odds predictions better than a human expert in the field. And the thing is that an AI can produce those odds in many fields, whereas a human expert only knows about a narrow field.

It's best to use these tools, and not shy away from them, because they are extremely powerful. Of course, they cannot predict the future with 100% accuracy, but they help a lot.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

There are alternatives to ChatGPT that can provide the latest information. One such example is ChatSonic, which can provide the latest information, even those that happened in 2023 or in the last month or so. But, that doesn't make it able to predict the future outcome of sports events, or shouldn't be used for placing sports bets.

An AI cannot see things the way a human can. AI can only search resources based on keywords provided and provides information based on the results of that. While a human can analyze a lot of things apart from that. So it is never a good decision to let an AI do the betting for you.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 28, 2023, 06:18:48 AM

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

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I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

Making your own analysis to make choices in sports betting will be better than using AI for now. But I think with the development of AI by developers, someday AI will evolve into a better form than now. We may not be able to depend on AI to find information about each match and choose a team to place the bet. I am curious about what this AI technology will be like in the future because it seems that it will be interesting to see later, especially if applied in everyday human life and helping our activities.

I don't expect there to be an AI that can predict the future or the outcome of a game, as their knowledge is only based on past information stored in the web. They don't have emotions, which are very vital in predicting the outcome of a game.

I understand that some people want to win consistently, but there is no AI that can provide that. We have to be realistic and understand this.

For sure there's no one even an AI can always win or can accurately predict the outcome, unless there's a manipulation which can only be practice by human intervention, another reason why AI can't really predict the possible outcome of the game, like what you said they don't have emotions and they are basing everything with the stats that they gathered from different source.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 28, 2023, 06:18:48 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on February 28, 2023, 05:13:33 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

Making your own analysis to make choices in sports betting will be better than using AI for now. But I think with the development of AI by developers, someday AI will evolve into a better form than now. We may not be able to depend on AI to find information about each match and choose a team to place the bet. I am curious about what this AI technology will be like in the future because it seems that it will be interesting to see later, especially if applied in everyday human life and helping our activities.

I don't expect there to be an AI that can predict the future or the outcome of a game, as their knowledge is only based on past information stored in the web. They don't have emotions, which are very vital in predicting the outcome of a game.

I understand that some people want to win consistently, but there is no AI that can provide that. We have to be realistic and understand this.

Indeed, they are really that accumulating or been feed up with information which would really be stored into its library which means it would be basing up on past events but somehow it wont really be that bad
on knowing if you do really seek up about history or past results or outcomes on a certain game.They could really make out some analysis and would be prefering on making choice which team is better basing
up on paper stats but we know that it cant really be able to determine some deciding factors which would able to affect a particular game and this is why its never been that worth
for you to make use of AI when trying out to make a bet on a certain game.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on February 27, 2023, 07:25:50 PM

Even if it is true that no one could have predicted such an outcome that is not what a profitable sport bettor tries to do, and it should not be the goal of an AI geared towards sports betting either.

What sport bettors do is to calculate on their own how likely an event is to happen, and if the casino according to their research gives a higher payout than expected then they make a bet on that event happening, they can still lose their bet but the payout they can receive is higher than it should be otherwise, and an AI trying to beat the casinos and make profits should have the very same goal and follow a similar process.

I agree that we should have gamblers who wager, betting while competing with AI that bets as well. That way we would see if gamblers are better or if AI is better, and this would solve all of this, until there is a good enough AI then we should be fine.

I still think that the AI we have is not that much better than the NPC's we have in games, I still think they suck and need to get a lot better, it is not at a good level yet, but maybe in a decade, with enough resources thrown at it, we could reach to a point where it could gamble better than we do, not going to be easy but not going to be impossible neither, just not right now, it's impossible for now, we need to wait for that.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

While it's widely understood that ChatGPT is not intended to forecast sporting events, I have a feeling that as technological advancements continue to progress, we will witness the emergence of AI models created particularly for sports gambling. These models will be tasked with analyzing convoluted data, forecasting results, and providing recommendations for sports bettors. Until then, we will have to depend on our own analysis and diligence to succeed in sports betting. However, who wouldn't desire an intelligent AI that can accurately predict sports outcomes? The prospects of sports betting are incredibly thrilling, and I am eagerly anticipating the innovative AI models that are on the horizon.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on February 28, 2023, 05:13:33 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

Making your own analysis to make choices in sports betting will be better than using AI for now. But I think with the development of AI by developers, someday AI will evolve into a better form than now. We may not be able to depend on AI to find information about each match and choose a team to place the bet. I am curious about what this AI technology will be like in the future because it seems that it will be interesting to see later, especially if applied in everyday human life and helping our activities.

I don't expect there to be an AI that can predict the future or the outcome of a game, as their knowledge is only based on past information stored in the web. They don't have emotions, which are very vital in predicting the outcome of a game.

I understand that some people want to win consistently, but there is no AI that can provide that. We have to be realistic and understand this.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on February 28, 2023, 04:54:45 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

Making your own analysis to make choices in sports betting will be better than using AI for now. But I think with the development of AI by developers, someday AI will evolve into a better form than now. We may not be able to depend on AI to find information about each match and choose a team to place the bet. I am curious about what this AI technology will be like in the future because it seems that it will be interesting to see later, especially if applied in everyday human life and helping our activities.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 28, 2023, 04:01:15 AM

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

ChatGPT cannot provide the latest information; hence, it cannot be used to predict present sporting events. You cannot get information from this AI. Instead, make your own analysis to predict the outcome of sports events. That's how normal sports bettors do it. There are no shortcuts to winning in sports, just hard work and dedication, and of course, being smart.

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Quote from: Viscore on February 27, 2023, 06:26:24 AM

AI is actually helpful if we do some queries and would want to find some reliable answers. But I don’t see it safe and reliable in gambling especially in making some predictions as to what or where to bet. Having the fact that my money is at risk, my final decision still depends on what my mind tells. Although AI makes some right and accurate datas because the datas were extracted from different sources, but we know it’s far different when we are gambling. Everything should still be based on our own research and analysis, and no any artificial intelligence can replace it.

I would consider it foolish or wasting money if someone places a bet on a sporting event based on a prediction made by an AI model unless they are extremely lucky and still win the bet despite any research and analysis of the game or the competing teams/players. There is absolutely no doubt about the abilities of AI models or what they can deliver, but they are not yet ready to take on such responsibilities considering their training data is not always up to date.

I can use AI to write articles, generate emails, make social posts and copies, and even double-check those since AI is not always right. How could I put my money at risk based on a decision made only by AI? Doesn't really sound wise to me for now.

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Well regarding on accurate team to win maybe AI can really give the exact answer with that since the game result still unknown and maybe the unexpected result will came since sometimes their are luck factor need to consider even if the team roosters is lacking due to injuries of their players.

Maybe the least those AI can give is all the data's needed by people about the latest inputs about the teams and this could give us a basis if which one of then is good to bet or not. Injury reports is important and its really important to ask this since AI can generate answers regarding to this matter. But at the end of the day its up for us to listen or not since the main purpose why we bet is to enjoy, so good luck to anyone seeking for ways to win and think AI is the answer to increase their chance to win.

Exactly true, like just recently Barcelona lost to Almeira, what kind of data that you could provide to any AI in the world that could have predicted that? All the data in the world shows that Barcelona should have won that game with ease and there shouldn't even be a doubt.

We, as football fans, know that any team could lose to any team, you could get Barcelona to play against a fifth tier team and Barcelona could just put youth players from La Masia in there because they would underestimate and could end up losing that game too, who knows? Which is why it's important to realize AI could never bet better than other people, it's just not going to work.

Even if it is true that no one could have predicted such an outcome that is not what a profitable sport bettor tries to do, and it should not be the goal of an AI geared towards sports betting either.

What sport bettors do is to calculate on their own how likely an event is to happen, and if the casino according to their research gives a higher payout than expected then they make a bet on that event happening, they can still lose their bet but the payout they can receive is higher than it should be otherwise, and an AI trying to beat the casinos and make profits should have the very same goal and follow a similar process.

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Quote from: dezoel on February 27, 2023, 04:45:41 PM

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Exactly true, like just recently Barcelona lost to Almeira, what kind of data that you could provide to any AI in the world that could have predicted that? All the data in the world shows that Barcelona should have won that game with ease and there shouldn't even be a doubt.

We, as football fans, know that any team could lose to any team, you could get Barcelona to play against a fifth tier team and Barcelona could just put youth players from La Masia in there because they would underestimate and could end up losing that game too, who knows? Which is why it's important to realize AI could never bet better than other people, it's just not going to work.

Well, people tend to forget that a prediction is a probability, not a fact.

So, yes, an AI would probably have given a small chance of that event happening. It's just that it was not as probable as a win from Barcelona.

It's the same as if I tell you the odds of rolling a number six with a dice: 1/6, that's pretty low, but you can still roll a six.

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Quote from: arwin100 on February 26, 2023, 06:28:47 PM

Well regarding on accurate team to win maybe AI can really give the exact answer with that since the game result still unknown and maybe the unexpected result will came since sometimes their are luck factor need to consider even if the team roosters is lacking due to injuries of their players.

Maybe the least those AI can give is all the data's needed by people about the latest inputs about the teams and this could give us a basis if which one of then is good to bet or not. Injury reports is important and its really important to ask this since AI can generate answers regarding to this matter. But at the end of the day its up for us to listen or not since the main purpose why we bet is to enjoy, so good luck to anyone seeking for ways to win and think AI is the answer to increase their chance to win.

Exactly true, like just recently Barcelona lost to Almeira, what kind of data that you could provide to any AI in the world that could have predicted that? All the data in the world shows that Barcelona should have won that game with ease and there shouldn't even be a doubt.

We, as football fans, know that any team could lose to any team, you could get Barcelona to play against a fifth tier team and Barcelona could just put youth players from La Masia in there because they would underestimate and could end up losing that game too, who knows? Which is why it's important to realize AI could never bet better than other people, it's just not going to work.

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Quote from: arwin100 on February 26, 2023, 06:28:47 PM

Quote from: blockman on February 26, 2023, 05:24:13 PM

You're right, that's the thing that it does and it just merges with all of the data set that's been collected whenever it's been asked the same questions and predictions again and again.
I think that we're still far from the top that it can where it can really predict things based on the data and news that it will search quickly. I'd just appreciate what it can do right now but won't be asking them on how to decide on things like my bets. Tongue

Well regarding on accurate team to win maybe AI can really give the exact answer with that since the game result still unknown and maybe the unexpected result will came since sometimes their are luck factor need to consider even if the team roosters is lacking due to injuries of their players.

Maybe the least those AI can give is all the data's needed by people about the latest inputs about the teams and this could give us a basis if which one of then is good to bet or not. Injury reports is important and its really important to ask this since AI can generate answers regarding to this matter. But at the end of the day its up for us to listen or not since the main purpose why we bet is to enjoy, so good luck to anyone seeking for ways to win and think AI is the answer to increase their chance to win.

With that, it can guess but to say that it can accurately tell a team to win with a match that hasn't happened yet then that's a prediction.
We don't know what's ahead on this emerging technology and it's not just I think a hype soon when it's already established but I just see those people that are using it for some other things but not with gambling.

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Thus, we are still in control of choosing the team we want and will not depend on AI.
If we depend on AI, it can make us lazy to learn and we will never be able to develop to continue studying analysis.
We can use AI's collected information but cannot trust it 100% because we are responsible for what we decide.
There will be times when we will be faced with difficult decisions because AI and our analysis have collected a lot of data, but we still have to be able to choose based on what we believe.

It is not impossible, AI can be used by gamblers to collect as much information data regarding the teams that we are analyzing. obviously, this is very helpful, and can shorten our time when trying to analyze a match that will take place. well, related to the information obtained from this source of artificial intelligence technology.

Of course, we should not immediately believe it or it can be said to swallow information whole without first looking for the validity of the information. We can use Al according to its function, but not to predict the results of a match. So, I don't think this is a matter of making us lazy to learn, but rather to find all the information we need, especially the latest information. after that, we can conclude based on the analysis that we have done. so basically, all decisions are again in the hands of the gamblers.

AI is actually helpful if we do some queries and would want to find some reliable answers. But I don’t see it safe and reliable in gambling especially in making some predictions as to what or where to bet. Having the fact that my money is at risk, my final decision still depends on what my mind tells. Although AI makes some right and accurate datas because the datas were extracted from different sources, but we know it’s far different when we are gambling. Everything should still be based on our own research and analysis, and no any artificial intelligence can replace it.

That's true, in gambling, there are always other factors that may affect the outcome of the game. It's important that you really understand the game that you are playing, AI may give you data that you can use to analyze the game and give you good heads-up if what's the possible advantage but at the end of the day, it's still your own knowledge that will bring you the decision to make.

All the decisions are relying on how you see your opportunities and how AI gives you the statistic that you can use to predict the possible outcome.

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Thus, we are still in control of choosing the team we want and will not depend on AI.
If we depend on AI, it can make us lazy to learn and we will never be able to develop to continue studying analysis.
We can use AI's collected information but cannot trust it 100% because we are responsible for what we decide.
There will be times when we will be faced with difficult decisions because AI and our analysis have collected a lot of data, but we still have to be able to choose based on what we believe.

It is not impossible, AI can be used by gamblers to collect as much information data regarding the teams that we are analyzing. obviously, this is very helpful, and can shorten our time when trying to analyze a match that will take place. well, related to the information obtained from this source of artificial intelligence technology.

Of course, we should not immediately believe it or it can be said to swallow information whole without first looking for the validity of the information. We can use Al according to its function, but not to predict the results of a match. So, I don't think this is a matter of making us lazy to learn, but rather to find all the information we need, especially the latest information. after that, we can conclude based on the analysis that we have done. so basically, all decisions are again in the hands of the gamblers.

AI is actually helpful if we do some queries and would want to find some reliable answers. But I don’t see it safe and reliable in gambling especially in making some predictions as to what or where to bet. Having the fact that my money is at risk, my final decision still depends on what my mind tells. Although AI makes some right and accurate datas because the datas were extracted from different sources, but we know it’s far different when we are gambling. Everything should still be based on our own research and analysis, and no any artificial intelligence can replace it.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 26, 2023, 02:56:56 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 26, 2023, 02:50:51 AM

But in AI there's no way for you to know the original source or people behind the predictions.

You're right. AI might give you the right stats, but it's not enough to make the right prediction. The purpose of AI is to give us information about the past, not the future or make predictions for us. Therefore, you are right, it's useless if we just base our bets on AI alone.

If AI is so accurate, then we would not see those people called paid tipsters. They would just vanish, knowing they are useless since AI has taken over their jobs.

Sports betting requires a lot of experience and knowledge about the games that you choose to gamble on. Apart from that, there are a lot of other factors to consider as well, like the conditions, recent stats of the competitors, previous games, and a lot more.

An AI can provide you with a list of details that he has in its knowledge that he has gained through training, and that training doesn't really cover the most recent events, just like ChatGPT which has no access or knowledge for anything that has happened after 2021. So it's definitely limited in those terms. So I would never recommend using AI for predicting the winners of a sports event.

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