[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 35.

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Quote from: beerlover on March 10, 2023, 04:41:19 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on March 09, 2023, 06:31:24 PM

No matter on what it would be as long it would be putting those bookies on disadvantage, then we do really believe that they wont really be making something to get rid of it if it does really work?

It is really just that a false hope if someone do really mind off about using AI on their betting on which trying out to prove that it does work or have higher chances of winning which we know that it cant be possible.

If you are really that curious about this then you could really test out for yourself whether it is really that working or just people are trying to push up on something
which doesnt really work at all.

I think bookies would not be in disadvantage at all, remember every winning side has a losing side and they make most of their money that way. You may think that the team that won caused the bookies lose some, but then there are other people who wagered on a draw or a win from other side and that could be the case in this situation as well.

I believe that we shouldn't really be doing anything regarding AI with betting because expecting bookies to have a losing side is a funny thing that shows we do not understand the sportsbook business at all. Plus, there will always be situations where the team that is high favorites will end up losing, and they make a bank on that too.

Okay lets say that there's winning side and losing side, but what if all bettors would be going into one side which the AI had been predicted out or recommended out? How they would really be arranging out that kind of

particular situation? This is why existence of it could really give out those kind of doubts and worry on those bookmakers but they are confidently that knowing that it cant really be possible for it to be giving off precise
predictions basing up on past history or events or informations that had been accumulated overtime or been added up into its library.

This is why its still not that relevant if we do speak about AI specially into this particular industry which there's no way for it to be that effective.

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You're right, that's the thing that it does and it just merges with all of the data set that's been collected whenever it's been asked the same questions and predictions again and again.
I think that we're still far from the top that it can where it can really predict things based on the data and news that it will search quickly. I'd just appreciate what it can do right now but won't be asking them on how to decide on things like my bets. Tongue

Well regarding on accurate team to win maybe AI can really give the exact answer with that since the game result still unknown and maybe the unexpected result will came since sometimes their are luck factor need to consider even if the team roosters is lacking due to injuries of their players.

Maybe the least those AI can give is all the data's needed by people about the latest inputs about the teams and this could give us a basis if which one of then is good to bet or not. Injury reports is important and its really important to ask this since AI can generate answers regarding to this matter. But at the end of the day its up for us to listen or not since the main purpose why we bet is to enjoy, so good luck to anyone seeking for ways to win and think AI is the answer to increase their chance to win.

With that, it can guess but to say that it can accurately tell a team to win with a match that hasn't happened yet then that's a prediction.
We don't know what's ahead on this emerging technology and it's not just I think a hype soon when it's already established but I just see those people that are using it for some other things but not with gambling.

What I think is that in the future when an AI is fully optimized it can help make decisions according to the criteria it has, because obviously the AI will be updated with the latest information on the sport, it will have everything related to the physical situation of the players of the teams, since they will be able to enter the web and update, but if and only if the information taken by the AI is from reliable sources, it may be that the predictions they give are wrong but they can improve that feature, I know gamblers will use it a lot, but they can't predict the future for sure.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on March 09, 2023, 06:31:24 PM

No matter on what it would be as long it would be putting those bookies on disadvantage, then we do really believe that they wont really be making something to get rid of it if it does really work?

It is really just that a false hope if someone do really mind off about using AI on their betting on which trying out to prove that it does work or have higher chances of winning which we know that it cant be possible.

If you are really that curious about this then you could really test out for yourself whether it is really that working or just people are trying to push up on something
which doesnt really work at all.

I think bookies would not be in disadvantage at all, remember every winning side has a losing side and they make most of their money that way. You may think that the team that won caused the bookies lose some, but then there are other people who wagered on a draw or a win from other side and that could be the case in this situation as well.

I believe that we shouldn't really be doing anything regarding AI with betting because expecting bookies to have a losing side is a funny thing that shows we do not understand the sportsbook business at all. Plus, there will always be situations where the team that is high favorites will end up losing, and they make a bank on that too.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 09, 2023, 04:27:56 PM

There's always enhancement that will take place for bookies not to lose their favor from this business that mostly they dominated.

That is why separate analysis is needed and not relying only on artificial intelligence in deciding which gambling predictions you will play, because basically no gambling company expects that they will go bankrupt with an accurate prediction method using any sophisticated tool created by humans.

Quote from: stomachgrowls on March 09, 2023, 06:31:24 PM

It is really just that a false hope if someone do really mind off about using AI on their betting on which trying out to prove that it does work or have higher chances of winning which we know that it cant be possible.

If you are really that curious about this then you could really test out for yourself whether it is really that working or just people are trying to push up on something
which doesnt really work at all.

Basically you have to understand that artificial intelligence is a human creation and there is also no guarantee that the level of accuracy of predictions using them will always be correct, but I can say that artificial intelligence or ChatGPT has a prediction accuracy rate of above 50%, even though it does not apply to all gambling conditions that you bet on.

Therefore relying on ChatGPT without making a separate analysis is also not quite right, every decision taken by gamblers is basically more on instinct and other aids are more on initial considerations before making a decision.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 09, 2023, 04:27:56 PM

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Quote from: lizarder on March 08, 2023, 01:58:59 PM

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Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

It would be interesting to read any kind of paper comparing the predictive power of these new types of AI systems with traditional predictions.

I'm guessing the AI would potentially be better, but I'm not really sure. It's usually great a simpler things, but then it kinda degrades its performance.

At the end of the day it's all just math, and models.

And it would be depending with how you will use it and how will you find your edge in using it with your gambling activities, the chance of improving is possible and thru time there's always good improvement that will be offer but we should also consider that AI will also be available for the house and not just for the end users.

There's always enhancement that will take place for bookies not to lose their favor from this business that mostly they dominated.

No matter on what it would be as long it would be putting those bookies on disadvantage, then we do really believe that they wont really be making something to get rid of it if it does really work?

It is really just that a false hope if someone do really mind off about using AI on their betting on which trying out to prove that it does work or have higher chances of winning which we know that it cant be possible.

If you are really that curious about this then you could really test out for yourself whether it is really that working or just people are trying to push up on something
which doesnt really work at all.

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Quote from: nullama on March 08, 2023, 08:00:22 PM

Quote from: lizarder on March 08, 2023, 01:58:59 PM

~snip~
Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

It would be interesting to read any kind of paper comparing the predictive power of these new types of AI systems with traditional predictions.

I'm guessing the AI would potentially be better, but I'm not really sure. It's usually great a simpler things, but then it kinda degrades its performance.

At the end of the day it's all just math, and models.

And it would be depending with how you will use it and how will you find your edge in using it with your gambling activities, the chance of improving is possible and thru time there's always good improvement that will be offer but we should also consider that AI will also be available for the house and not just for the end users.

There's always enhancement that will take place for bookies not to lose their favor from this business that mostly they dominated.

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Quote from: nullama on March 08, 2023, 08:00:22 PM

It would be interesting to read any kind of paper comparing the predictive power of these new types of AI systems with traditional predictions.

It is clear that there is a difference between predictions using artificial intelligence and using traditional prediction patterns, but what you have to understand is that gamblers have other criteria besides using that.

Quote from: nullama on March 08, 2023, 08:00:22 PM

I'm guessing the AI would potentially be better, but I'm not really sure. It's usually great a simpler things, but then it kinda degrades its performance.

At the end of the day it's all just math, and models.

Even that is not a conjecture but rather a reality given by artificial intelligence in making predictions, but it also depends on what kind of gambling you are betting on, although in general artificial intelligence is capable of making predictions for all forms of gambling.

At the conclusion stage taken by gamblers, they do not rely solely on artificial intelligence or predictions using traditional patterns, because it is not certain that predictions made using these two patterns will be much more precise and what I know is that gambling does not have a formula and that is why it is often considered luck.

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 08, 2023, 01:32:35 PM

Normally that the information you put on robot, the robot can give you a result based on that information. Moreover, the robot can perform some advanced calculations based on the given data. However, it is not possible to get any results based on the information that he does not have. Moreover, gambling is not based on any information. By using AI someone can easily see the highlight the plus and minus aspects in gamble but predicting win or lose is never possible.

Robots are used to calculate how high the percentage of a decision we will make so that we know and can make the right decision.
And those of us who use it will see which option might give the highest results among the other options.
But we, as people who will make the decision, cannot simply leave the decision based on the robot because we will think about other considerations that the robot may not get.
AI technology provides a positive side where we don't need to spend a long time collecting information but the final decision is still in our hands.

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Quote from: lizarder on March 08, 2023, 01:58:59 PM

~snip~
Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

It would be interesting to read any kind of paper comparing the predictive power of these new types of AI systems with traditional predictions.

I'm guessing the AI would potentially be better, but I'm not really sure. It's usually great a simpler things, but then it kinda degrades its performance.

At the end of the day it's all just math, and models.

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Quote from: STT on March 05, 2023, 07:04:44 PM

AI cannot recover what is lacking in the questions it is asked to answer, it will only return whats on google pretty much. Mild assistance in a basic way if you are rushed that could be helpful in bringing up past results for relevant judgement, some sites already provide this kind of info. To actually decide for you I dont think it will improve except to remove the basis you might have in voting emotionally.

Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 08, 2023, 10:06:40 AM

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On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

I agree with this. While AI can predict the game's outcome, there's no guarantee that it will not be wrong because AIs are just relying on the past information and the information given to its system. The other aspect of researching isn't covered, therefore there's a chance that the relevant and updated news or the minor details are overlooked. Which in this case, it'll be a disadvantage since not every factor and angle are considered in decision making.

If you'll use an AI to predict a game's result, then you must be ready for whatever the outcome of your bet relied on it. For me, you should still do your very own in-depth research and analysis aside from consulting or following an AI prediction.

Normally that the information you put on robot, the robot can give you a result based on that information. Moreover, the robot can perform some advanced calculations based on the given data. However, it is not possible to get any results based on the information that he does not have. Moreover, gambling is not based on any information. By using AI someone can easily see the highlight the plus and minus aspects in gamble but predicting win or lose is never possible.

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But in terms of predicting a match result, I still doubt it very much. because, sports cannot be predicted based solely on available statistics or data. each result, will be determined by the players who are competing. that is, anything can happen during a match or a battle is in progress. So, I really doubt if artificial intelligence technology can predict match results, especially if the results are very accurate. apparently, something I still find it hard to believe. but to get the data we need, to find the information we want, AI can be very reliable.

But at least we can see how high the chance we can get from the AI can be a consideration for us whether we will choose data from AI results or from our analysis results. What's important is that we know that everything still poses a risk to us, whatever we choose, and we should be able to determine what's best for us.

Sports results can change even in the early minutes of the match starting and we should also be able to predict it based on the history they have played before. This can also help us in collecting more data and can decide later. Let's wait for the latest news from the developers who develop AI for sports betting.

I think that's the point and that's how any AI prediction should be used. Get it to respond and maybe it will give you all the probability and all that, but then we are talking about still making a choice yourself. Like for example we could see an AI calculate the players, consider injured ones, consider the ratings of players when they played, or any replacement they will have, and how the opponent plays, and every single data and that could give us a good result, but then it should be us who can take it seriously or not.

A machine that calculates odds based on every single possible information is good, but not as good as any human who has been doing this for years.

If AI can provide valid data about a match, it can be useful for us in analyzing further and finally making our own choices. I also don't like it when AI has to determine our choices because we ourselves have to determine what we want. But AI can provide a lot of information because of how AI works, which can find reliable sources faster that we can use as considerations.

If that's the case, I don't think we humans can give AI a choice because AI also has weaknesses that we don't know about. So we better just wait for the latest information from AI developers engaged in gambling.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 08, 2023, 07:00:39 AM

On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

I agree with this. While AI can predict the game's outcome, there's no guarantee that it will not be wrong because AIs are just relying on the past information and the information given to its system. The other aspect of researching isn't covered, therefore there's a chance that the relevant and updated news or the minor details are overlooked. Which in this case, it'll be a disadvantage since not every factor and angle are considered in decision making.

If you'll use an AI to predict a game's result, then you must be ready for whatever the outcome of your bet relied on it. For me, you should still do your very own in-depth research and analysis aside from consulting or following an AI prediction.

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And by trying to find more news besides using AI to find other news, it will give us more information where we can find out what's going on out there.
That can also be our consideration in choosing a team with a big chance of winning.
And we can also compare which news provides more genuine or fake information because nowadays, a lot of fake news cannot be accounted for.
Only wise gamblers can use AI properly while they keep looking elsewhere for the info to support their research.

An essence of being wise, right? Maximizing the usages of AI while still working with other sources of information before deciding where to bet, it's truly a human desire to find more edge to have better outcome, but in terms of AI, still not that accurate as there are factors that AI can't predict as early as the game is not starting yet, injuries and the coach decision to rest and sit their stars.

Something that AI can't provide for you when you run the check. It's still you as human who can decide which player/team to bet
that have a good chance of winning.

Making an AI efficient enough to predict or perform some sports actions is difficult, it is a fact that there is a lot left for AIs to be efficient, the first demos are coming out so far, which makes an AI database difficult to update with the real information since a very must have many verification algorithms, so for sports it will be very difficult to make a prediction with an efficiency greater than 95% because what the AI would do would be the work of an expert appraiser , and to do that job, human presence is needed. to be able to establish all the verdicts.

On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

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Quote from: Fredomago on February 25, 2023, 06:04:25 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on February 25, 2023, 03:42:28 AM

And by trying to find more news besides using AI to find other news, it will give us more information where we can find out what's going on out there.
That can also be our consideration in choosing a team with a big chance of winning.
And we can also compare which news provides more genuine or fake information because nowadays, a lot of fake news cannot be accounted for.
Only wise gamblers can use AI properly while they keep looking elsewhere for the info to support their research.

An essence of being wise, right? Maximizing the usages of AI while still working with other sources of information before deciding where to bet, it's truly a human desire to find more edge to have better outcome, but in terms of AI, still not that accurate as there are factors that AI can't predict as early as the game is not starting yet, injuries and the coach decision to rest and sit their stars.

Something that AI can't provide for you when you run the check. It's still you as human who can decide which player/team to bet
that have a good chance of winning.

Making an AI efficient enough to predict or perform some sports actions is difficult, it is a fact that there is a lot left for AIs to be efficient, the first demos are coming out so far, which makes an AI database difficult to update with the real information since a very must have many verification algorithms, so for sports it will be very difficult to make a prediction with an efficiency greater than 95% because what the AI would do would be the work of an expert appraiser , and to do that job, human presence is needed. to be able to establish all the verdicts.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 04, 2023, 08:47:23 AM

I tried to force ChatGPT to make a prediction about the past, or, a retrodiction, if you speak scientifically. Here's the result:

I think it kinda gives us an impression on how ChatGPT would be predicting the future events if it were connected to the internet today and its database was updating on a daily basis.

Included the bookmakers database which make things a lot more complicated predicting the odds prediction owned by a bookmakers on how they determine the price , prediction is just a prediction not even an AI platform such chatGPT can do this all perfectly.

Can't imagine if the football mafia database leaked & connected as well , must be hilarious.

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Quote from: BigBos on March 06, 2023, 01:08:36 PM

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Yes, it's true that at this time AI cannot predict who will win and who will lose, or maybe the developer did not include this in the ChatGPT system because if you think about it, predict by analyzing opportunities, abilities, experience and conditions of a the team can be assessed with specific statistics and it is possible that in such a program the AI will provide possibilities with such calculations. But it seems that it's not in ChatGPT yet, we may need to wait some more time to see its development in the future, and who knows AI can be as intelligent in predicting as humans.

It will need more updates in the future for it to be able to analyze updated data from sports news and bookies. They are going to be part of the data sources for AIs to be able to correctly set up replies to betting queries.

But still up to us to believe what it wants to say. I am one of those who just bet through what others picked so I know exactly how it feels when betrayed by the information fed to me. Once the AIs prove to be useless in sports betting, we'll finally stop bugging after consecutive loss.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 06, 2023, 12:46:58 PM

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I agree with you that AI is improving its skills and algorithms every day. But they are just algorithms. The AI does not take into account the mood of the athletes, their injuries, their physical and mental condition. If you bet on sports, you must take these and many other parameters into account. AI is not able to do that, unlike humans.

Yes, you are actually right on that very statement of yours, because I just tried testing if ChatGPT if it can predict future outcome of a football match, and the A.I supply told that it beyond it's power to predict future event or the correct score of a football match, as there are many factors that might affect it's outcome, such as what you mention above (I.e injuries, team performance & weather e.t.c).

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I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I am not able to predict the future or provide specific scores for sporting events. Sports matches are unpredictable and can be influenced by various factors such as team performance, injuries, weather, and many other variables. It's best to watch the game and see how it unfolds.

Source: ChatGPT

This is a clear explanation that AI has nothing to do with sportsbetting predictions as it’s already beyond its power, unlike a human mind who can always have limitless thinking and predictions with regards to different factors that will affect the outcome of the game. Even in slots and other casino games, those games are always unpredictable so AI won’t still be helpful about that, the only thing that casinos are predictable is when it comes to the house will always win over its players.

Yes, it's true that at this time AI cannot predict who will win and who will lose, or maybe the developer did not include this in the ChatGPT system because if you think about it, predict by analyzing opportunities, abilities, experience and conditions of a the team can be assessed with specific statistics and it is possible that in such a program the AI will provide possibilities with such calculations. But it seems that it's not in ChatGPT yet, we may need to wait some more time to see its development in the future, and who knows AI can be as intelligent in predicting as humans.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on March 03, 2023, 05:47:03 AM

Quote from: Unsoldier on March 03, 2023, 03:56:19 AM

I agree with you that AI is improving its skills and algorithms every day. But they are just algorithms. The AI does not take into account the mood of the athletes, their injuries, their physical and mental condition. If you bet on sports, you must take these and many other parameters into account. AI is not able to do that, unlike humans.

Yes, you are actually right on that very statement of yours, because I just tried testing if ChatGPT if it can predict future outcome of a football match, and the A.I supply told that it beyond it's power to predict future event or the correct score of a football match, as there are many factors that might affect it's outcome, such as what you mention above (I.e injuries, team performance & weather e.t.c).

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I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I am not able to predict the future or provide specific scores for sporting events. Sports matches are unpredictable and can be influenced by various factors such as team performance, injuries, weather, and many other variables. It's best to watch the game and see how it unfolds.

Source: ChatGPT

This is a clear explanation that AI has nothing to do with sportsbetting predictions as it’s already beyond its power, unlike a human mind who can always have limitless thinking and predictions with regards to different factors that will affect the outcome of the game. Even in slots and other casino games, those games are always unpredictable so AI won’t still be helpful about that, the only thing that casinos are predictable is when it comes to the house will always win over its players.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on March 05, 2023, 10:59:53 PM

Right now we are very far away from reaching a general AI that can do everything in a way similar to what a human can do.

We have AI which can perform just one task at a high level, assuming it was trained appropriately by the people behind he AI, so someone which wants to create an AI that gambles for him and makes accurate predictions about the different sports needs to know how to do this by themselves already, which in a way defeats the purpose of developing an AI like this to begin with.

If I remember correctly, the AlphaGo program that beat the strongest people (and other programs) in Go similarly learned to play about 40 games entirely on its own. It is clear that predicting sports events is a task with incomplete information, unlike games where all information is known in advance, but nevertheless, I see no reason why AI could not learn to make predictions without the participation of people.

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