Topic: Poor and middle class as a mentality - page 9. (Read 1979 times)

There are many differences between the poor and the middle class the rich live in a much better place in all aspects of society and live a higher life. The poor are deprived of all aspects of society so they become poorer sadly those who have already passed from the poor to the lower middle class are re entering the poor and the poor are the poorest. Due to this global epidemic the world economy has lost its jobs and billions of people are losing the rich can help the poor if they want but these will usually depend on their mindset the rich exploit the poor.

Actually, that's a pretty common misbelief, I am surprised by how many people think that environment is more important than genes. Probably because most of us were told so at schools and no one ever questions it.

The fact is, there are published studies providing evidence that this might be wrong. Here's a great review summarizing a wide range of such studies: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2019.00044/full#B29

Here are some excerpts from this study:


The stability of intelligence, especially after a long time indicates the importance of genetic material, as it is obvious that the environment is changing and if it played such an important role, then with years passing the test results would have changed.


Twin studies are very representative, as the genetic identity in twins is very high. Now, one could say that twins have similar performances due to the same environment, but I can hardly agree on that. I know a lot of twins that have very different interests, preferences, different friends, and, thus, quite different environments, especially when growing older.

The major problem with these studies is that "intelligence" is very difficult to measure, there's more to it than just IQ tests. But new studies keep emerging, and many of them are dedicated to identifying specific genes responsible for intelligence (with genome-wide analysis and quantifying single nucleotide polymorphisms), and they all seem to dispel the widespread beliefs that genes account for a very small % in terms of intelligence.

Doesnt matter if you do live on a rich or poor country since there would be always two states in life when it comes to financial neither you are poor or rich or in average in lifestyle or situatioon.
When it comes to mindset and other things that been doing or actions then for sure it would be totally different since they are different in paths to take but doesnt mean  that it will limit out
those poor ones on changing their mindset for their own good and make their lives even way more better and this will vary on each person because not all would be having that kind of
dedication to make theirselves better in terms of that scenario. Mentality does really counts and if you are eager on making yourself some improvement then you would really do things.

This is all true, but the ideas that we are taught in our early lives are completely different or at least some what change as we get older, so the poor when he sees the rich having a better life than he is, he changes his mindset that you are talking about and opt to change his situation in one way or another, and rich people also  could have a totally different mindset when they grow up, and also it is true that it could be based on the economic state of the country but we live in a connected world, which lets us want to improve by seeing other which totally changes the mindset that we have and our prospective.

There is no scenario where a common person with no money could become like Jeff Bezos one day, never been done in history I have to say.

I am not saying that they can't make some money, sure you can start from zero, have poor family, go to bad schools and still manage to have 10+ million dollars when you die, that is definitely a possibility. My grandfather-in-law did that for example, he was born into nothing and grew up learning his business very well and opened up a factory and then even bought the next door factory and then the next one so he ended up with one factory as big as three factories when he died.

You know how much that worths? Around 4 million dollars. This dude managed to live a life of hard work and debt for 70 years and manage to die at 98 years old working until he was almost 90 every single day and he made 4 million dollars. Do not tell me hard work makes you wealthy, it just gives you a financial freedom a bit and that's it.

the difficulty of getting a decent job to survive can make them feel hopeless, actually people like this don't want to try to run away from the poverty zone by always trying until they reach the point of success, even though to achieve the target of becoming a rich person is quite difficult to achieve the most important thing  it's not wrong to take criminal actions to be able to make money the wrong way

I have seen rich people behave and live rich lives because they dare to do things that poor, middle-class people dare not do. It is their out-of-the-box thinking that has enabled them to lead a rich and rich life.
The poor are educated by their parents and they have limitations. The mindset of these people is difficult to change because they have lived with it for a long time.

I can not fully agree with you because common people can also have an opportunity, especially if they can work harder. It is about how each person can try hard to change their lives, whether they need a long time to achieve that thing. We might see that some poor people can change their lives by doing many things and having opportunities better than other people. If one person can face their problem without giving up, they will become stronger and face the next problem and grow in the future.

It seems that there are social elevators thanks to which you can abruptly rush to another class. However, they do not become a good person from this

People who are born rich, of course, have many privileged and opportunities, but not all rich people are born successful. Because not all rich children
are educated properly by their parents, so some of them can only spend their parents money. Therefore, people who are rich from birth also need to
get the right education, so that they can take advantage of the excess money they have. Most of today's education system actually only teaches how
to get a job, but does not teach how to be rich.

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

Opportunity is really what people need that are not born rich. Most crimes are because of not equal opportunity to have a job or to earn a stable income. Rich people become richer because they can always dive to a new opportunity they want while poor or middle-class people are afraid to try new stuff because they don't earn that much. There are also rich people who prevent giving help to other people rise from poverty is because they fear that someday they would be more successful than them. Only a few are willing to help and be proud for someone to reach their level.

Wrong, the people who do crime because of poverty is desperate, if you give them a job, I am pretty sure that they will stop doing crimes. What we lack in this world is the opportunity to get jobs that will help us get money legally and in a clean way. Blaming them for being poor won't help their status.

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

It's obvious that while some persons are born in linage of poverty is due to the initial foundations of their parents and the same thing is applicable to some people who are born in the wealthy family also, so what we are suppose to be looking at now is the factors that attribute or causes poverty and how to eradicate them for the offsprings.

Yeah, it's one of the benefits to be educated or to attend school, is to be versatile in knowledge mentality so that the steps our parents made via poverty will be corrected, and it's obvious that teacher's actually gives students information that will transform them in life, so attending university is another avenue to be rich because all the necessary information needed to be prosperous in life are there, but at this point I'm not refuting the fact that it's only school that will change someone who are poor to be rich "No" we have other means, but educational system is the major one.

To acquire skill is one of the important plan for someone that the family are not wealthy suppose to secure in order to elevate itself for the society, fighting government is not an option, so op I applaud you for creating this meditating topic.

That's how the masters of this world wants it, to give people education that is enough for them to do the job but not enough to be mad about being an employee. Yes your opinion is right, it is a modern day slavery, they just wouldn't talk about it that way because it's bad for the business. Sometimes the fault doesn't lie on the poor but the exploitative capitalist regime.

That is the problem - their thinking and approaches to spending money are such that they do not give an opportunity to break out of this state. Instead of spending on education, training, they eat it up with tears of "why are we so poor." For example, the concept of "financial cushion" is not familiar to them at all, or this practice is considered unacceptable. Explanation for everything that is not done from what needs to be done - "we are poor." In one word - without a change in mentality, it is useless to expect a change in their state.

Well, Drugs is a problem not just for the very poor but for the very rich too. I hear tales about how young people in villages fall prey to cheap drugs. At the same time, kids in high school at some of the most expensive schools around my place were recently busted for rave parties and abusing drugs.
Though the rich have a much better chance of coming out of addiction in one piece.

Your topic suggests that being rich and poor comes from mentality. I don't think that being poor places any sorts of restrictions on a person becoming wealthy. One of the wealthiest businessmen in Asia, the Late Dhirubhai Ambani wasn't born in wealth. There are several such examples of resourceful people coming from humble backgrounds and making it big. I think this plays out differently in the West and in the East.

The east has traditionally not been so hedonistic and materialistic. People's mentality and self-worth isn't affected by what society they are born in. Their breaking out of their classes is often a result of fearlessness, resourcefulness and just this insatiable quest to win. The poor/ middle class in the west become a part of the consumerist, debt-ridden culture. This isn't so in the east where saving and being debt free is considered important. As a young adult, you are protected from society's expectations because of your family. At the end, if you are lucky enough to have a loving, nurturing family, there is no limit to what you can achieve with hard work.

Finances are always a problem in every family in modern society today, you couldn't live today if you have no electricity and water which is also the bills of these utilities that will drag down the life of poor families. If there is just a free source of electricity and water, it will be easier for families to save money for other things like planing a business. Government has to take responsibility for this kind of problem actually.

Solar power would be good but then the production of these materials somehow is not available in every country and importing are for the rich only especially in poor countries like where I am.

Yep, and the culture is also different. I remember the poor man culture (*cough* socialism) was exist in my years of public school education, but not so much in the private school. The teacher's attitude was also different so that you can tell which was paid less. I came to the conclusion, if the poor get the same culture and the education quality as the rich, their future will differ significantly. Yes, the poor still have the lack of capital, but at least they can/will fight, instead of giving up, become unemployed, etc.