Topic: Poor and middle class as a mentality - page 5. (Read 1979 times)

Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

The problem with that advice is that it teaches a kid to leave where he is and go to a better place instead of staying and fixing what's wrong in his own society. I can leave today and go to England, I do have that chance, I have people I know there and maybe I will work for minimum wage but I would still be able to work, and that means I could live there, England is a much much much improved nation compared to what my current place can offer, it is just 10x better civilization already, it is like comparing 19th century versus 21st century when you compare them together.

However that didn't made me go there, instead I stayed where I am and joined groups that tries to better the world, not always big major changes of course, but even a small work helps, I am donating my time and that's it nothing more but I do help stray pets who need help, I help education of some kids that have no parents, and I help providing food and wood for families that need it, even doing that for my own society feels like I am helping my society get better instead of running away.

Nowadays I am seeing governments around the world trying this approach, by distributing welfare payments. In the US, Biden government has proposed giving out financial assistance based on the number of children in the family. So in case a family produce 10-12 children, then they will receive a payment of around $3,000 per month from the government. I find these sort of measures very short sighted. In the long term, people will just sit at home and produce children without doing any productive activity. And those who work hard will find a large majority of their salaries taken away in the form of taxes.

The stratification in society has always been, is and will be. This is the norm and it's ok The question is how a person positions himself and what goals he sets. As a child, one smart person said to me - "always strive to get into a more developed, more advanced, richer society! This is an opportunity for self-development and an opportunity to get good acquaintances and connections." The idea is absolutely correct and achievable. True, it is not a fact that everyone will enter the circles, for example, of the Rockefeller families or the Baruch clan, but at least they will start their way to the top. Yes, you must also understand that there are no guarantees that you will even be able to get to the next step - there are many factors that can prevent this. But this does not mean that one must sink to the bottom of society! Or you can choose the path of "stability" and do nothing stably to change the quality of your life, which many people do

I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

But, if the government is corrupt, then it is upon the individual on how he can alleviate himself from poverty.

Ultimately if the government of the country will not try to nurture the citizen in terms of health and finance, it all depends on an individual who could break the invisible chain and not sell themselves short. Get rich or die trying.

Parents I guess have to teach their kids with pride so they could look at themselves morally high and strive for success. My parents are fishermen, always teach me not to steal and teach us how to catch fish by ourselves. So if I have something to buy, I will have to work hard for it. Catching more fish and then sell for money.

Rich people become richer while the poor/middle class will remain the same or even become poorer. This is about our mindset of what we do now. Poor/Middle-class people never teach in school how to grow their money but instead, they have been taught how to become a slave ( go to school and find a job after). While Rich people have been taught how to grow their businesses and make more businesses.

One factor that has a huge influence on our minds is what we get from school. Mostly we are financially illiterate which brought us to become less fortunate and it is really hard to change.

Rich people become richer while the poor/middle class will remain the same or even become poorer. This is about our mindset of what we do now. Poor/Middle-class people never teach in school how to grow their money but instead, they have been taught how to become a slave ( go to school and find a job after). While Rich people have been taught how to grow their businesses and make more businesses.

One factor that has a huge influence on our minds is what we get from school. Mostly we are financially illiterate which brought us to become less fortunate and it is really hard to change.

It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.

hard work is required when migrating to another city in search of a living. In addition to working hard and getting results, they should try to manage expenses to have a better tomorrow. but the good thing that can be learned is usually they are a formidable figure if they succeed in that new city, where the psychology is mature

It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.

I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.