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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

I don't know how it will be sweet for you to compose a lie to share with millions of people on these forums. You are still a newcomer with a bunch of activity without many merits. I'm sure this is what you do to make your profile unmerited by the forum members. I don't understand the zeal you are going to have in your country that you will confront your government and say they are scams. Even though you said bank, I believe the government owns the banks, so I think you should take your time and learn. However, the money in banks is not their money. People deposit funds in banks so they will help them hold it. It is not the bankers money, so I'm surprised that you said you told your bank why they didn't share the money.

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So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

This is funny, so you think a single community can be able to create their own currency when there is a currency accepted by the government of that country? I don't know how this will make any sense for a community to create their own currency when there is another currency that people are using all over the country. However, don't you think that community will also go to another place and buy something because even if they are able to produce food for themselves, there are other things that they must buy in another place?

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Quote from: cakravothy on February 06, 2024, 06:31:54 PM

No matter what government activities or policies are made, if you don't want to work or earn money, you will remain poor.
Even those who work hard every day are poor, let alone those who don't want to work and don't want to earn money.

We were able to see a big list of people who had succeeded in life though they're poor. It all happened through their hard and smart work. Even now we can see people working hard and unable to improve their financial status. This is all because of the lack of smart work. The previous generation relied much on hard work and now smart work plays big role. Everywhere the need for smart work has increased. When we look for the solution, education is the right choice.

Today's society needs guidance and socialization about today's life, because today's times are very different from the past, where the life of lower middle class people in the past was enthusiastic about earning a living, even though their work was in the rice fields, but they were prosperous at that time, the more advanced the times, the harder it was. the life of today's society, where farmers and sailors complain about market prices that are not in line with their expectations, nowadays it is increasingly sophisticated and the farmers and fishermen are screaming more and more, now the most important solution for society is to keep the spirit of working hard even though it now makes people scream, for young people who are still unemployed, remain enthusiastic about looking for vacancies and think about opportunities to make money, don't be lazy and lazy, they won't change their fate unless they change it themselves.

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Quote from: southerngentuk on February 09, 2024, 09:16:27 AM

Let's be real, making a currency nobody else uses and the government ain't cool with is more trouble than it's worth. It's like starting your own language – confusing and probably illegal. Bartering's a different story, but then you don't even need a fancy new currency, right?

Bitcoin was successful at doing just that, I think that it's a matter of positivity and at the same time utility of the token because if you create a token just because you want to without any predetermined purpose from the start then what you're saying is definitely the right thing that's going to happen. Also, your analogy of creating a language is confusing too because it's not that difficult or worth more trouble than it's worth if you know what you're doing, look at Ithkwil.

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The bottom line is that people need education first to eradicate poverty. Whatever work you are going to do if you have proper knowledge or education on that work. Then it is definitely possible to get success from that action. Nowadays there is a need for education in agricultural activities as well. Hard work alone without education to get more results in agricultural work also does not bring success. If a person starts using his own money in his country then it is natural that he will be punished by the government of his country. And if a person acquires higher education he can develop his talent. Then that will be his biggest personal money for him. His "that" personal money will not be limited to the government of his country. There will be no end to his demand for this private "money" in any state of the world.

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Quote from: southerngentuk on February 09, 2024, 09:16:27 AM

Let's be real, making a currency nobody else uses and the government ain't cool with is more trouble than it's worth. It's like starting your own language – confusing and probably illegal. Bartering's a different story, but then you don't even need a fancy new currency, right?

So, I gotta be honest, creating your own currency ain't exactly the smoothest move. But hey, I don't wanna rain on your parade entirely. Community currencies can be cool in some situations, like helping out communities struggling with the "regular" money game. Think of it like a local high-five economy, boosting local businesses and building community spirit.

added with countries that forbid the use of currency outside the officially established currency its gonna have some good sentence for those that tries to create their own currency.
every country law is different and this strategy mentioned gonna have some law implications. best chance to fight poverty is just to break our way out through the means that are already available or being provided by the government, for example is studying and getting a job, i think pretty anywhere there's way to get higher degree without the need to pay huge sum amount of money.
after all, what are we, just an individual that exists among other billions of people definitely we should just go with the flow not opposing how the world truly works.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.

Good initiative, the police will catch you because you're issuing your own currency when your government didn't accept your currency as legal tender.

If that be what OP is suggesting, it’s a crime against the state and one that wouldn’t be handled with pity. It’s a betrayal of your flag and you would go in for it but, this isn’t what OP is actually saying if I understood OP correctly.

OP didn’t mean the persons from these producing part of the world having to create and issue a currency but, see the value of their products for a currency. Actually selling their products at a price that gives them great comfort and not follow any preset exchange rate.

If only that could work but nope. Don’t forget, the government is into farming too, giving out loans and creating policies about them, carrying out genetic engineering to get better breeds of food and cash crops. Having standard for import and exports. So long as you leave within the state, you must always be bounded by its rules.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 09, 2024, 04:33:55 PM

It's not as easy as it may sound when you write it. You can't challenge the system because you don't have the power to stand against them. A small community cannot fight the whole system especially if they are doing things that are against the constitution and laws, and the government and authorities can easily use that against the community and even get them arrested or grab their lands and whatever they own even if they have to create fake cases against them.

Do you think that a government would allow every single community to create their currencies so that they can demand outsiders of that community to buy the money or currency to trade with them? That's not a way to get rid of poverty but it's the easiest way to create conflicts.

There are the complexities and challenges associated with challenging established systems, especially when it comes to matters as fundamental as currency and governance. Attempting to create alternative currencies or systems of exchange can indeed be met with resistance from established authorities, particularly if it challenges the existing economic or political order. Governments have a vested interest in maintaining control over currency and monetary policy, because it is a key tool for regulating economic activity and ensuring stability.

Creating alternative currencies on a community level may not necessarily address underlying issues of poverty and inequality. While it may provide a temporary means of exchange within a specific community, it may not be sustainable or scalable in the long run. It could potentially lead to conflicts and tensions, especially if it is perceived as a challenge to the authority of the state or existing financial institutions.

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Quote from: Antotena on February 09, 2024, 11:48:53 AM

You really said this with confidence? Na! Banks role in the society is because they help the central bank, the government and the banks itself. None of the money banks has is officially their own, it's people money they use, allow people to save, borrow the same money to people with high interest and then give back little to no interest back to the people that save money. If there is one role the bank has played is the ability to send money from one place to another but are they even free? No, they charge you for it.

That is very correct. Basically what banks do is rob people. Banks take your money, either through savings or deposits, then give it to other people and earn interest. As long as you don't withdraw your money in cash, the bank can still use your money for its profit. Does anyone really pay attention to how much money we save and how much money is issued by the Bank? The rule is that bank financial statements record cash inflows or outflows. But is it really done as it should? I'm not saying to stop using banks but I want to say that if you keep your money in cash, the value of your money will continue to decrease due to inflation.

Crypto is an investment instrument that is worth considering. What's even interesting about crypto is that it is better than gold in several ways. Gold can protect the value of your money from inflation, but crypto can fight inflation and make the value of your money increase. Of course there are risks such as fluctuating prices but I see crypto, especially Bitcoin, as slightly better than other assets at the moment.

Accumulating money in the bank is very risky because the value of the currency is getting lower due to inflation, apart from that we are not given the benefit of getting bunos from deposits from the bank but only a profit of 0.1% for monthly income, the bank gets a big profit from our money savings but they are very stingy in sharing profits with customers, but some people choose to keep money in the bank because they have no other choice in terms of financial security, currently there are lots of cases of robbery and we will become targets of robbery if we hold a lot of cash.

Of course, every crypto community will transfer all assets to be converted into bitcoin and the security of bitcoin assets is guaranteed if you store them in a hardware wallet, so the value of bitcoin increases every halving period and we will soon see ATH soon this year.

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It's not as easy as it may sound when you write it. You can't challenge the system because you don't have the power to stand against them. A small community cannot fight the whole system especially if they are doing things that are against the constitution and laws, and the government and authorities can easily use that against the community and even get them arrested or grab their lands and whatever they own even if they have to create fake cases against them.

Do you think that a government would allow every single community to create their currencies so that they can demand outsiders of that community to buy the money or currency to trade with them? That's not a way to get rid of poverty but it's the easiest way to create conflicts.

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Quote from: Antotena on February 09, 2024, 11:48:53 AM

You really said this with confidence? Na! Banks role in the society is because they help the central bank, the government and the banks itself. None of the money banks has is officially their own, it's people money they use, allow people to save, borrow the same money to people with high interest and then give back little to no interest back to the people that save money. If there is one role the bank has played is the ability to send money from one place to another but are they even free? No, they charge you for it.

That is very correct. Basically what banks do is rob people. Banks take your money, either through savings or deposits, then give it to other people and earn interest. As long as you don't withdraw your money in cash, the bank can still use your money for its profit. Does anyone really pay attention to how much money we save and how much money is issued by the Bank? The rule is that bank financial statements record cash inflows or outflows. But is it really done as it should? I'm not saying to stop using banks but I want to say that if you keep your money in cash, the value of your money will continue to decrease due to inflation.

Crypto is an investment instrument that is worth considering. What's even interesting about crypto is that it is better than gold in several ways. Gold can protect the value of your money from inflation, but crypto can fight inflation and make the value of your money increase. Of course there are risks such as fluctuating prices but I see crypto, especially Bitcoin, as slightly better than other assets at the moment.

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Quote from: Adreman23 on February 09, 2024, 01:29:15 AM

The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.

The solution OP gave will only work in a closed society that is living in isolation. It will be possible to live an agrarian life that lives only on what they produce. But the world has become a global village where communities or nations depend on each other for survival. Food, shelter, clothing, and education are not the basic needs anymore. Now we need the internet, electricity, and other technological gadgets to survive. Technology is advancing every day and we need them if we want to develop. We also need an internationally recognized currency to buy what we don't produce, so I am wondering how a community-issued currency will buy equipment and other needed materials from other countries.

I live in a developing nation that is going through a lot of economic problems. Young people have been coming out of poverty by learning new skills and securing online and offline jobs. They sacrifice to save some part of their earning and use these funds to invest in profitable ventures.

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Quote from: nara1892 on February 08, 2024, 01:37:55 PM

So far I believe and indeed I feel that the presence of banks really helps people whether they are poor or rich and I think so far nothing can replace the role of banks in people's lives, some alternatives that look pretty good like crypto which on the other hand can make people know more and feel about its benefits in life but basically not all people can accept the presence of something that is considered to be a solution or savior, and of course for this problem it is the business of the government that has the power which of course can convince and increase trust in the community if it is necessary to make changes.

You really said this with confidence? Na! Banks role in the society is because they help the central bank, the government and the banks itself. None of the money banks has is officially their own, it's people money they use, allow people to save, borrow the same money to people with high interest and then give back little to no interest back to the people that save money. If there is one role the bank has played is the ability to send money from one place to another but are they even free? No, they charge you for it.

Crypto is absolutely for everyone, whether you are poor or you are rich, you will always be welcome to utilize your money with full respect, nobody charge you for anything except for the fees you pay for using the network which is normal everywhere, you don't pay for the protection, the people running the network are been compensated so you don't need to worry for another, unlike the banks that will charge you for depositing money into your account.

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Quote from: Adreman23 on February 09, 2024, 01:29:15 AM

The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.

I don't know why people love to look down on agriculture knowing that it is one of the ways to live a poor life if we want to look at the reasons why we work, is just because we should be able to feed so instead of working or even relying on, work to be able to feed, but with your farming and having your small garden in addition, in everything about life food comes first any other thing comes second, then comes health, we need food first. and aside from consumption, you can also sell out of it and that is one of the reasons that I always love agriculture. I don't think any government will allow you to issue your currency, and if we all can go back to agriculture it will be of serious help to us, and even reduce the price of food stuffs from the market.

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Quote from: spectre71 on February 09, 2024, 12:42:20 AM

No you can't. You haven't done anything your just dreaming something up. You have never hired anyone.

If they were any good, they would not be working for pennies on the dollar.

What about "If they were any good, they wouldn't work for a penny"? Because what I know is that everyone has to work to earn money, even though that person is very useful to other people and is also highly desired by many people. In terms of employing other people at a place that we own, it is very different from when we work at someone else's place because the people we invite to work with us will certainly know the reasons why.

Apart from that, the difference between a person who is aware that he is useful to others and a person who really needs to work in someone else's place is certainly not the same because a person who knows he can be useful to other people will definitely not want to work in someone else's place unless he only works for himself. Meanwhile, those who really need a job because they don't have the capital to open their own business will definitely be very willing to work for someone else even though they already know the skills they have.

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First thing first, you cannot issue your own currency since it'll have a conflict with the legal tender. Obviously, it would be illegal and you can be charged by that. Although you got a point that when you have a food source, you can earn money. However, you are probably not the only one who can provide those food so it'll be pointless making your own currency as the buyers can just find other sellers who have the same product. Once the government find out about this, they won't wait till your currency gets bigger. And I doubt you can win over the legal tender. Starting your own currency in your community feels like you're starting your own religion. And it won't really solve the problem....

And btw, what do you mean by "If system does not make you wealthy don't use it."? The currency or the bank? But regardless of that, why would they be focusing on making you wealthy? When you should be the one who needs to work for that. Additionally, you can't just ask the banks for a share just because you have money in them. But they do offer interest for their clients, tho it ain't big.

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Let's be real, making a currency nobody else uses and the government ain't cool with is more trouble than it's worth. It's like starting your own language – confusing and probably illegal. Bartering's a different story, but then you don't even need a fancy new currency, right?

So, I gotta be honest, creating your own currency ain't exactly the smoothest move. But hey, I don't wanna rain on your parade entirely. Community currencies can be cool in some situations, like helping out communities struggling with the "regular" money game. Think of it like a local high-five economy, boosting local businesses and building community spirit.

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Those things are not the solution to their problems but instead, it adds more. Poor people don't need a lot of things but just 2 - being optimistic and initiative. It is just changing how we think from having a poor mindset to a rich mindset. Instead of staying in the dark side of this corner, why not go to the bright side?

We never stay poor if we take action because so many opportunities around but what happens is that we never see them. What we need is to open our minds and think even better. Stop expecting the government's help but rather think about what we can do without relying on them. Just don't go against the law.

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Quote from: Adreman23 on February 09, 2024, 01:29:15 AM

The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.

Currently all countries are experiencing an economic crisis, especially countries that are experiencing war such as Russia and Ukraine, and also the Palestinian state which is fighting to contain those who Israel wants to seize, currently many people are still fighting the poverty they experience, even though every day they always work but their expenses are much greater than their income, so the government must fight to reduce the price of staple food and other food so that people can manage their finances and save to avoid poverty, if in our country it is in the form of paper money and has been made into legal currency, so we have to follow this, but regarding bartering, I think we can still do it, to make it easier to meet our needs.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

This is solution, first they need to Understood the system does not serve their needs.
What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
And If your poor Community Grow food it means other people out of your Community need your food, so in order to get your Community food they need to obey your Community rules and they need to buy your Community money with rate that's beneficial for you.
Same goes for Europe farmers,stop play around with goverment just issue your own money stronger money and tell them you want our product you buy our currency or you can starve.

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system people only Are poor becouse they go along with the system , nobody not superior of you we all are Humans so If create the our own system then we prosper.

So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

He who has it will have it in his future because money can be earned with money and without money it is not possible to earn money. In that case there are many poor people who have no capital and cannot do their business and they are food. What do you do in case of those who don't get it properly? The solution you are giving will not fill their stomachs. In fact, in the current generation, it has become so. The first generation is becoming such that what is happening today and what is happening is not happening. Besides, there is no point in saying that we don't follow our system. There is no point in blaming the government. The government will not come to your house and give you food. When Allah created us, Allah is the owner of our sustenance, Allah has arranged our sustenance, we must put our trust in Allah, and we must walk in the way that Allah will provide for us.

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Quote from: cakravothy on February 06, 2024, 06:31:54 PM

No matter what government activities or policies are made, if you don't want to work or earn money, you will remain poor.
Even those who work hard every day are poor, let alone those who don't want to work and don't want to earn money.

Wrong, if the price of essential items only grow and the salary doesn't grow in parallel with that, no matter how much hard work you do, it's not going to matter, maybe try thinking a little what to say about this because that's not how things work in real life. Those poor people that a lot of you seems to not mind talking crap about are hard working, they just don't have a choice because the opportunities for them aren't that prevalent or helping them.

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