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Quote from: tottong on February 07, 2024, 07:15:10 AM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Personally I can never ignore social life with people around or with people who need help.
Although the levels are small, We as living things must be able to push each other in different areas as a step of progress.

And vice versa with the case of poverty that is engulfing many people and now there are many people starting to lose jobs that are caused by the of the workplace.
The life that we live is never separated from the government because the government is absolute and binding, but we need to set our own standards and if we have money then they must come to buy something from us based on a decent rate.
Just like the harvest in agriculture and plantations because they arrange and we provide goods.

We know the government doesn't always favour the poor people because the poor sometimes has nothing to offer the government. But I think there is sense in what OP is saying, even though it took me quite some time to really comprehend. The problem with most poor people is that they ignore opportunities in their environment and aim for what will stress them and even take long to acquire. Most of these poor people belong to the rural areas where there are lots of fertile lands available for cultivation. Mass production of food is a big breakthrough for the poor man but many won't notice it. If the government notices that a particular region produces food that is enough to feed a good percentage of the population, they will be compelled to draw crosser to the people just to get food. Here, negotiations and agreements can then be reached by the government and the poor people. What a brilliant idea!

Making strict rules just because you have what the people need might not be a good idea. The poor man cannot live in isolation, he needs the government and the government needs him. Creating your own system and money might chase the government away to other regions. No two central governments can co-exist in thesame government. One must be above the other.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Personally I can never ignore social life with people around or with people who need help.
Although the levels are small, We as living things must be able to push each other in different areas as a step of progress.

And vice versa with the case of poverty that is engulfing many people and now there are many people starting to lose jobs that are caused by the of the workplace.
The life that we live is never separated from the government because the government is absolute and binding, but we need to set our own standards and if we have money then they must come to buy something from us based on a decent rate.
Just like the harvest in agriculture and plantations because they arrange and we provide goods.

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Even though government want to help them and rich people too like with the assistance of the charity and different platform if they don't have the enough opportunities they cant make their life goes to the lower middle class, let's accept the fact that most of the poor ones don't have a good education, which might cause a limit of opportunities and network so just to sustain with their daily needs they keep working hard any kind of jobs there's no specification because they don't have a choice. If there's any and they have a good mindset and grab the chance on it this could be a life changer to them but if not they will keep on the lower of the economy.

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^Same thoughts as the poster above.

I don't think what you are trying to say makes sense and it's going around and around with no idea and no point towards what you are posting about. The subject is poor people need solutions now and you offer the solution that needs to understand the system and then rambling on and on about not caring and not being money-backed.

You are being bought? Creating a new system? So you mean a new government? Who is the "YOU" you are talking about? It's really hard to understand.

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what did you eat this morning? because none of the statements in your thread make sense. you have to learn more, don't just think based on what's in your brain and just spit it out without filtering it first.

you know that when everyone has their own currency it means there is a disconnect between societies, and that will cause new problems. moreover, people don't just need food, they need clothes, vehicles, houses, etc.

and when you put your money in the bank, that doesn't make you a shareholder. you become a shareholder when you own shares in their bank. if you only put money in the bank, that means you are a customer and you are not entitled to profits from the bank.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 06, 2024, 10:05:21 PM

If this is your preferred system, why not ditch money altogether? If you've got fruits and you need grains, why not just go for a barter? Money in this primitive design is superfluous. And money backed by something perishable is probably not a good money. Besides, since it isn't a legal tender, it doesn't create a certain level of security for its users.

I can remember when I was a kid and we are living near the sea. Fish and fish products are abundant. But we need rice and there are no rice fields there. We go to places where rice is abundant and barter our fish products with rice. The people there are also in need of what we're bringing. Both our products are in demand.

If the valid means of payment is easily damaged then it is very unlikely that it can be used as a legal means of payment and also everyone will certainly not choose money that is easily damaged because this will make them lose the assets they have if the money they save has been damaged.
Indeed, it would be better to just barter because we will be able to get what we need by exchanging what we have for the type of goods we need and this will really benefit both parties who both need what they don't have.

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Quote from: serveria.com on February 07, 2024, 04:48:03 AM

Easier said than done. The government won't let you do any of this. Issuing your own currency will definitely lead to some serious issues with law. Poor people are profitable for any government and corporations because they can be used as slaves and can be paid meagre salaries, thus making the rich even richer. So most of the points you're sharing here may lead to you getting arrested and possibly convicted.

Exactly. We are not entitled to create our own currency as it is unlawful and might end us getting arrested and this is definitely a suicide if we insist. No one will also give a damn trust to the fake money we are creating unless it is in the form of a precious metal. In short what OP is talking about is not gonna happen.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

This is solution, first they need to Understood the system does not serve their needs.
What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
And If your poor Community Grow food it means other people out of your Community need your food, so in order to get your Community food they need to obey your Community rules and they need to buy your Community money with rate that's beneficial for you.
Same goes for Europe farmers,stop play around with goverment just issue your own money stronger money and tell them you want our product you buy our currency or you can starve.

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system people only Are poor becouse they go along with the system , nobody not superior of you we all are Humans so If create the our own system then we prosper.

So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Easier said than done. The government won't let you do any of this. Issuing your own currency will definitely lead to some serious issues with law. Poor people are profitable for any government and corporations because they can be used as slaves and can be paid meagre salaries, thus making the rich even richer. So most of the points you're sharing here may lead to you getting arrested and possibly convicted.

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A community money backed by food and fruits isn't a fiction; it's a beautiful example of self-sufficiency. It's about regaining power and comprehending the complex dynamics of economics and sovereignty

Your thesis is clear: why should communities accept a currency that benefits others? Not them. Trust, value, and acceptance are equally as imortant as issuance when introducing a currency. Not only dissatisfaction, but also careful planning, unshakable devotion, and strategic forethought are needed

Financial literacy helps us. Important to understand are currency valuation, inflation management, and economic sustainability. Dashing the bank isn't enough; you need to create a system that measures wealth in community well-being and sovereignty. Your bold idea is based on the fact that communities prosper when they use their resources properly

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on February 06, 2024, 05:36:48 PM

Quote from: Casalania on February 06, 2024, 04:15:26 PM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

It's funny that there are individuals who hold such beliefs without fully comprehending how to become a shareholder of a bank. Saving money in a bank is distinct from being a shareholder since the latter involves purchasing a share or stock of the bank. This concept is different from simply saving money in a bank, which is why not everyone can grasp it.

Truly laughable or something that you would really be able to raise up those questions into your mind on how the heck t hey do really been able to have those thinking and beliefs on which it is really just that totally non relevant or having no connection at all. Sooner or later they would really be able to laugh into theirselves that on what are the things that they've been thinking. Saving up on a bank and being a shareholder
is never been the same and this is something that people should really be realizing. If you are really that serious on trying out to learn up with those financial correlated things then it wouldnt really be that so hard
on doing so, considering that most informations that we do really need is really just that on the tips of our fingertips. It would really be just that depending on how you would really be making out such act.

Someones life couldnt really be able to be that progressive if they wont really be making out such action. Learning up things as broad as possible not only just that limited onto
a few aspect or key areas but rather it would be best that it should really be that it would really be scattered out.

Indeed, having this forum to share and gain knowledge is fortunate. We can learn about things we are curious about or don't know much about. For example, the OP's question may seem funny, but he needs to learn that saving money to become a shareholder isn't the same thing.

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If this is your preferred system, why not ditch money altogether? If you've got fruits and you need grains, why not just go for a barter? Money in this primitive design is superfluous. And money backed by something perishable is probably not a good money. Besides, since it isn't a legal tender, it doesn't create a certain level of security for its users.

I can remember when I was a kid and we are living near the sea. Fish and fish products are abundant. But we need rice and there are no rice fields there. We go to places where rice is abundant and barter our fish products with rice. The people there are also in need of what we're bringing. Both our products are in demand.

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there is something that you forget at starting your own community trying to build a community that is self sustaining with framing and growing food, that is corruption, can't sweat about the fact that there are many corruption across various communities there's always people that tries to get ahead of other trying to earn wealth as much as they can, and im not talking about 1 person in a whole community but half of the community if not more usually have that characteristic its called human nature for a reason.
you say to create your own currency if the country law somehow forbid such thing then your community will also got into trouble as well, its overall unrealistic solution that you presented added with the fact that you should know there's reason why a village that opens up joining free market are more thriving than those that isolates themselves.

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Quote from: cakravothy on February 06, 2024, 06:31:54 PM

No matter what government activities or policies are made, if you don't want to work or earn money, you will remain poor.
Even those who work hard every day are poor, let alone those who don't want to work and don't want to earn money.

We were able to see a big list of people who had succeeded in life though they're poor. It all happened through their hard and smart work. Even now we can see people working hard and unable to improve their financial status. This is all because of the lack of smart work. The previous generation relied much on hard work and now smart work plays big role. Everywhere the need for smart work has increased. When we look for the solution, education is the right choice.

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No matter what government activities or policies are made, if you don't want to work or earn money, you will remain poor.
Even those who work hard every day are poor, let alone those who don't want to work and don't want to earn money.

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Quote from: Casalania on February 06, 2024, 04:15:26 PM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

It's funny that there are individuals who hold such beliefs without fully comprehending how to become a shareholder of a bank. Saving money in a bank is distinct from being a shareholder since the latter involves purchasing a share or stock of the bank. This concept is different from simply saving money in a bank, which is why not everyone can grasp it.

Truly laughable or something that you would really be able to raise up those questions into your mind on how the heck t hey do really been able to have those thinking and beliefs on which it is really just that totally non relevant or having no connection at all. Sooner or later they would really be able to laugh into theirselves that on what are the things that they've been thinking. Saving up on a bank and being a shareholder
is never been the same and this is something that people should really be realizing. If you are really that serious on trying out to learn up with those financial correlated things then it wouldnt really be that so hard
on doing so, considering that most informations that we do really need is really just that on the tips of our fingertips. It would really be just that depending on how you would really be making out such act.

Someones life couldnt really be able to be that progressive if they wont really be making out such action. Learning up things as broad as possible not only just that limited onto
a few aspect or key areas but rather it would be best that it should really be that it would really be scattered out.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

This is solution, first they need to Understood the system does not serve their needs.
What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
And If your poor Community Grow food it means other people out of your Community need your food, so in order to get your Community food they need to obey your Community rules and they need to buy your Community money with rate that's beneficial for you.
Same goes for Europe farmers,stop play around with goverment just issue your own money stronger money and tell them you want our product you buy our currency or you can starve.

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system people only Are poor becouse they go along with the system , nobody not superior of you we all are Humans so If create the our own system then we prosper.

So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Oh no, your bank must have been so hurt that you dont use them - not really, they don't give a toss and I somehow doubt that you have much money to hold in the bank anyway. The world is a very unbalanced and in many ways unfair place, some people happen to be born in countries that give them a lot of advantages and others will be lucky if they get any form of education in their early life. The bank is not a charity, but you appear to be begging for handouts, what makes you so special over the other billions of people who want free money as well? You're not special, nor deserving of free money either. Free money to fund your life does not exist, but even if it did it will never make the taste of earning your wage better.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

It's funny that there are individuals who hold such beliefs without fully comprehending how to become a shareholder of a bank. Saving money in a bank is distinct from being a shareholder since the latter involves purchasing a share or stock of the bank. This concept is different from simply saving money in a bank, which is why not everyone can grasp it.

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There are lot of tribes and people like that who are so rich if we talk about their land, water, food resources but they don't have liquid cash with them and they are forced to worked far away from their land. Now the question is why would they need fiat? they cannot keep themselves isolated throughout their life and in order to keep themselves updated with technology they need to get learn it and even if they need a doctor from their own tribe you cannot offer food or fruits for it you need to pay money issued by the government and this is possible only when you sell your stuffs to them and use their money as printing own money is never a solution. We need to understand government can snatch their land and resources with force it has happened with many farmers in countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Not fair to entirely blame them rather government should reachout to them and work out some sort of plan which should be mutually beneficial.

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Poor people are staying poor till they achieve a few attitudes:
Able to calculate, apply discipline and be able to save. Even at the expense of eating the cheapest of all.

Quote from: EluguHcman on February 06, 2024, 11:09:20 AM

In a country where the government doesn't have the welfares of the poor masses in mind, then the poor masses have to take adequate responsibilities of themselves foreseeing that it you do not help yourself, no one would help you in as much the government whom are ought to be responsible in setting up firms and infrastructural amenities for the masses welfares has gone adamant and ignorant towards you the poor masses.

True to the mark.

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Starting a currency is not that difficult, but it's a very risky path because it can lose tons of value due to a lack of liquidity and demand. Some countries have strong fiat currencies, so there's no good reason to try creating a new one. Other countries might have troublesome fiat, but people there can have access to stronger fiat and sometimes also to cryptos.
Using a community currency that nobody else uses and nobody authorizes is likely to be illegal, confusing, and not attract enough support. Of course, barter is a different thing, and people use it in some places, formally or informally, but then a currency isn't necessary.
So honestly, I don't think that's good advice.

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