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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.

Its very bad ideas when leaving government currencies and adopted with own community money because can't help poor people get stable financial, exactly will get much problem later when have some community want to make their own currency payment transaction.
In my country poor people still large dominance around 40% of citizen and government still get right solve way how to make poor people get healthy financial.

Most of them can't get higher level of education and difficult get job with bigger payment salary, first need to give free education until highest level how to get solution for the poor people, dominance by lower education make some people difficult with their financial and get label as poor people.

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The problem is seven out of ten people in this world, live on less than $10 per day. Also, 5% of the global population, own 88% of the wealth.

There has to be a more even distribution of wealth for people to have a better life.

It is not all doom and gloom, because some of the richest people in the world has acknowledged this and they are giving away most of this wealth. (Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation)

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Quote from: serjent05 on February 07, 2024, 07:16:51 PM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.

This has been done by some groups in my country but their standard of living does not increase. The members of the group continue to be poor and get exploited while the leader who implemented or issued the community money becomes rich. This is another strategy for exploiting poor people. And since it is not recognized by the financial institution, the money issued will be only used inside the community and many problems will arise from that because the community cannot support all the goods that are needed by its member so they cannot completely abandon the government issued currency because they still have to use it to buy things that their community cannot produce.

thats definitely the thing with this flawed strategy of issuing community currency because the community is required to be self sufficient, able to produce goods in exchange for other thing that they are lacking consistently but only very few select community can do that because mismanagement and many more.
its definitely easier than said to do so, issuing own currency might instead be abandoned in no time if the currency is so useless it cant be used for something and they'd still use government currency anyway so whats the point.
its important to know that many strategy have been tried and very few succeeds with trying to grow own community that are self sustaining.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.

This has been done by some groups in my country but their standard of living does not increase. The members of the group continue to be poor and get exploited while the leader who implemented or issued the community money becomes rich. This is another strategy for exploiting poor people. And since it is not recognized by the financial institution, the money issued will be only used inside the community and many problems will arise from that because the community cannot support all the goods that are needed by its member so they cannot completely abandon the government issued currency because they still have to use it to buy things that their community cannot produce.

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Largest portion of farmable lands are owned by few tycoons who dominate the agriculture of the country. Minor farmers who could supposely form a community of vegetables, fruits and meat producers don't have enough space, tools and materials to run their small farms in a sustainable way. They will inevitably need to trade with other merchants and tycoons at some point, what will demand them to be part of a local financial system, with a common currency, which has a central bank behind, which in turn have a government backing it composed by politicians, who are sponsored by businessmen, including the tycoons who own most lands. This is a vicious cycle we call system which is unbreakable.

Nobody has ever broken this evil logic the world follows. It has been more or less like this since the beginning of civilizations, and despite the ideologies, strategies and political agendas you try to implement, it seems it's never going to change. I believe only divine intervention can make things more balanced, and that is the last hope of many individuals at this point, since to believe in anything else coming from humans seem pointless and a waste of time, because we have already been deceived many times until now by different individuals and their miraculous plans to save our nations from poverty, inequality and unfairness. Everything in vain.

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I'm having trouble understanding your post. Why should the bank give you a percentage if you don't buy the bank's stock in the stock market? I think you are the one who doesn't understand the system here. The state has the authority to print money, if you oppose this, you have a historic opportunity because Bitcoin has been invented. You don't need a new money based on fruits and vegetables. A new currency isn't the solution the poor need. Stop voting for politicians who don't care about you. Maybe then you will realize that you have the power to change things.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

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I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.
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You can't be serious.

You are not shareholder of a bank if you let them keep your money safe. That's not investing. in same way you aren't shareholder of a gym if you leave your clothes and money in the locker room.
Both of them are offering you a service, and other one of them are offering a service that involves transferring your money. Banks don't owe you anything. They are charging you for using their services. And one key difference between these services (crypto and banks) is that when you hold your own money, you need to cover security for it by yourself. That's not cheap to do when you are securing money for millions of people.

Even blockchains are charging you for transactions, they aren't there to make you wealthy. It's just happens if the asset you are holding moons, but that's not in any way connected to what they are build to do.

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The biggest solution for those whom are poor, live below the normal comfortable standards of living etc would be solved or at least for many nations would be solved if we stopped going to freakin war! That would solve a lot of issues with this world.

On the other hand, people need to be educated better of the special resources available for those whom are in need. I know here in the US that's a major issue, poor people just often don't know what's available in terms of help and how to seek it.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.

And then the goverment (in the form of special bodies) will immediately come to you to punish you. Only the goverment, whose right is backed by force, has a monopoly on the issue of money.

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system

You can't just go ahead and log out of the system. How are you going to do this? Go to the jungle to the primitive tribes?

This can only be done if there is an alternative system.

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
If you see someone not good with you then leave their system

You are not investing in a bank (if you are their client as a depositor, like most), but are leasing your money for a tiny fee. You are not a bank investor.

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

And thus you yourself gradually turn into that same system.

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Quote from: spectre71 on February 07, 2024, 11:17:36 AM

I lived amongst poor people and tried to employ them. (OK, US)

Failed miserably. Being poor is a mindset, they wanted to be that way. I would pay them and not see them for days. Most of the time they scored some drugs or it was just enough to get by, but never get ahead. They would score some weed and a new shiny bong but the power would be out and what food they had would spoil.

Put a new tire on the car to get to work or a crappy pawn shop guitar, the guitar.

In the end I had them bring me their bills and I would pay them first, meet me at the gas station before work and I would gas their cars Monday morning. I would pay them what was left over in cash, couldn't hold a bank account. They massively resented this.

Waste of time and money. They will never change.

I could argue. It seems you were just unlucky or dealing with a specific group of people (homeless? junkies?). I personally know at least a handful of guys whom I guess you could call poor, but who would be happy to work for just a fraction of an average pay. They would do literally anything if you offer them a job. And current economic downturn increases the number of such people day by day.

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Quote from: spectre71 on February 07, 2024, 11:17:36 AM

Waste of time and money. They will never change.

Also my experience. People don't change because you help them.
They learn to despise you as you show them what is wrong. You need to be in a life threatening situation in order to change your life.

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I lived amongst poor people and tried to employ them. (OK, US)

Failed miserably. Being poor is a mindset, they wanted to be that way. I would pay them and not see them for days. Most of the time they scored some drugs or it was just enough to get by, but never get ahead. They would score some weed and a new shiny bong but the power would be out and what food they had would spoil.

Put a new tire on the car to get to work or a crappy pawn shop guitar, the guitar.

In the end I had them bring me their bills and I would pay them first, meet me at the gas station before work and I would gas their cars Monday morning. I would pay them what was left over in cash, couldn't hold a bank account. They massively resented this.

Waste of time and money. They will never change.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

This is solution, first they need to Understood the system does not serve their needs.
What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
And If your poor Community Grow food it means other people out of your Community need your food, so in order to get your Community food they need to obey your Community rules and they need to buy your Community money with rate that's beneficial for you.
Same goes for Europe farmers,stop play around with goverment just issue your own money stronger money and tell them you want our product you buy our currency or you can starve.

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system people only Are poor becouse they go along with the system , nobody not superior of you we all are Humans so If create the our own system then we prosper.

So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

It is not easy for a small group of community to form their own currency, because there's a government in place that is responsible for everybody, they take all the revenue that is being generated from the people in the name of tax and they should be responsible to the needs of the people, by providing the enabling environment for people to survive. however it is good for a community to grow their own food and feed themselves and stay together as a community rather than wanting to wait for government for everythin. But boycott the currency of your country because of primordial sentiment that you have. Remember that the government is responsible for the protection of life and properties, they are in charge of the security, so if you say you want to begin to use another currency inside thesame country, that is more like a treasonable felony because you cannot form a government under another government, so having a currency outside the original government currency is more like having a parallel government.

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Quote from: tottong on February 07, 2024, 07:15:10 AM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Personally I can never ignore social life with people around or with people who need help.
Although the levels are small, We as living things must be able to push each other in different areas as a step of progress.

And vice versa with the case of poverty that is engulfing many people and now there are many people starting to lose jobs that are caused by the of the workplace.
The life that we live is never separated from the government because the government is absolute and binding, but we need to set our own standards and if we have money then they must come to buy something from us based on a decent rate.
Just like the harvest in agriculture and plantations because they arrange and we provide goods.

We know the government doesn't always favour the poor people because the poor sometimes has nothing to offer the government. But I think there is sense in what OP is saying, even though it took me quite some time to really comprehend. The problem with most poor people is that they ignore opportunities in their environment and aim for what will stress them and even take long to acquire. Most of these poor people belong to the rural areas where there are lots of fertile lands available for cultivation. Mass production of food is a big breakthrough for the poor man but many won't notice it. If the government notices that a particular region produces food that is enough to feed a good percentage of the population, they will be compelled to draw crosser to the people just to get food. Here, negotiations and agreements can then be reached by the government and the poor people. What a brilliant idea!

Making strict rules just because you have what the people need might not be a good idea. The poor man cannot live in isolation, he needs the government and the government needs him. Creating your own system and money might chase the government away to other regions. No two central governments can co-exist in thesame government. One must be above the other.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on February 06, 2024, 07:39:13 AM

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.

Personally I can never ignore social life with people around or with people who need help.
Although the levels are small, We as living things must be able to push each other in different areas as a step of progress.

And vice versa with the case of poverty that is engulfing many people and now there are many people starting to lose jobs that are caused by the of the workplace.
The life that we live is never separated from the government because the government is absolute and binding, but we need to set our own standards and if we have money then they must come to buy something from us based on a decent rate.
Just like the harvest in agriculture and plantations because they arrange and we provide goods.

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Even though government want to help them and rich people too like with the assistance of the charity and different platform if they don't have the enough opportunities they cant make their life goes to the lower middle class, let's accept the fact that most of the poor ones don't have a good education, which might cause a limit of opportunities and network so just to sustain with their daily needs they keep working hard any kind of jobs there's no specification because they don't have a choice. If there's any and they have a good mindset and grab the chance on it this could be a life changer to them but if not they will keep on the lower of the economy.

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^Same thoughts as the poster above.

I don't think what you are trying to say makes sense and it's going around and around with no idea and no point towards what you are posting about. The subject is poor people need solutions now and you offer the solution that needs to understand the system and then rambling on and on about not caring and not being money-backed.

You are being bought? Creating a new system? So you mean a new government? Who is the "YOU" you are talking about? It's really hard to understand.

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what did you eat this morning? because none of the statements in your thread make sense. you have to learn more, don't just think based on what's in your brain and just spit it out without filtering it first.

you know that when everyone has their own currency it means there is a disconnect between societies, and that will cause new problems. moreover, people don't just need food, they need clothes, vehicles, houses, etc.

and when you put your money in the bank, that doesn't make you a shareholder. you become a shareholder when you own shares in their bank. if you only put money in the bank, that means you are a customer and you are not entitled to profits from the bank.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 06, 2024, 10:05:21 PM

If this is your preferred system, why not ditch money altogether? If you've got fruits and you need grains, why not just go for a barter? Money in this primitive design is superfluous. And money backed by something perishable is probably not a good money. Besides, since it isn't a legal tender, it doesn't create a certain level of security for its users.

I can remember when I was a kid and we are living near the sea. Fish and fish products are abundant. But we need rice and there are no rice fields there. We go to places where rice is abundant and barter our fish products with rice. The people there are also in need of what we're bringing. Both our products are in demand.

If the valid means of payment is easily damaged then it is very unlikely that it can be used as a legal means of payment and also everyone will certainly not choose money that is easily damaged because this will make them lose the assets they have if the money they save has been damaged.
Indeed, it would be better to just barter because we will be able to get what we need by exchanging what we have for the type of goods we need and this will really benefit both parties who both need what they don't have.

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Quote from: serveria.com on February 07, 2024, 04:48:03 AM

Easier said than done. The government won't let you do any of this. Issuing your own currency will definitely lead to some serious issues with law. Poor people are profitable for any government and corporations because they can be used as slaves and can be paid meagre salaries, thus making the rich even richer. So most of the points you're sharing here may lead to you getting arrested and possibly convicted.

Exactly. We are not entitled to create our own currency as it is unlawful and might end us getting arrested and this is definitely a suicide if we insist. No one will also give a damn trust to the fake money we are creating unless it is in the form of a precious metal. In short what OP is talking about is not gonna happen.

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