Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.
This whole discussion is totally off-topic. Icopress made this thread to show us how he sees the war from his own eyes, live witness. And to document what he does to help his country. If you like it or not, this is not a place for spreading whatever kind of conspiracy you got hooked on, it's totally inappropriate. 
Topic: [POV] War in Ukraine - page 4. (Read 2756 times)
By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.
And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?
It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.
Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.
Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.
Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces
In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.
Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.
By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.
And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?
It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.
Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.
Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.
By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.
And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?
It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.
Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.
So you've been there and watched it yourself.
As long as you listen to only the reports that you like, you aren't ever going to get a reality picture of what is going on.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces
In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.
Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.
By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.
And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?
It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.
Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces
In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.
Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.
By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.
And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?
It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.
When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces
In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.
Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.
When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces
In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
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When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.
Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.
You are missing the whole point. Aside from the fact that any strong nation wants to rule the world, Russia is new. The Soviet Union fell only 3 decades ago. Since then Russia has been fighting her wars diplomatically, like most other big nations. In fact, since after WW2, it's the US that has killed over 20 million people in police actions around the world (not to say that the old Russia was innocent).
There is way more to all of this than meets the simple eye. The US and Western Europe are after Siberia for the wealth that lies there, under ground. And they are using little Ukraine - as well as other nations - to gradually smother Russia... to weaken her so they can get Siberia, and maybe all of Russia.
When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.
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there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,
there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,
and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,
there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,
and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.
No invasion, yet Putin's tanks are inside a foreign country. "Just a military operation" to depose a democratically elected government, yet the Ukrainians do not seem to be hailing the "liberators" but rather trying to send them back to their families (live or dead is their choice). Not investing in a region? Even if that was true, which is probably not, that is not genocide under any definition.
You must be fully aware of how your arguments are perceived by now. If you think your are somehow helping Putin's cause by repeating over and over unbelievable arguments just keep on, you are simply showing how cynic, delusional and unbelievable this aggression is.
Seriously, I have never seen Switzerland, Luxembourg, the whole EU, Turkey & Israel to agree on anything at the same time except in condemning Putin's war. That should give you some material for self-reflection.
When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that thinking Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
As for the immediate hostilities, the situation for the last month has not changed much (speaking of the southern front) ... now it is simply a frozen conflict. Although the situation on the line of contact has been slowly changing over the past few days (due to the counter-offensive actions of our troops), the fighting continues. With a black dotted line, I tried to show where the counteroffensive is taking place at the moment.
One way or another, there is some disturbing feeling in my soul, accompanied by pain in the lower back (although I am healthy).
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One way or another, there is some disturbing feeling in my soul, accompanied by pain in the lower back (although I am healthy).
Some photos from Easter.
On this holiday, we also did not forget about our military and ordinary old people who were very happy with sweet surprises.
Done with baby food, this is the last batch received, and to be honest, individual delivery is not an easy task.
Periodically, people bring things and furniture for migrants and food (including home preservation).
In addition to the main grocery purchases, we bought materials for the girls who agreed to sew.
I think it will be fun, at least this is one of the areas in which I do not understand anything at all.
Btw, when I took away the boxes with fabric materials, I managed to try on a sniper camouflage suit.
I didn't buy it because it's not necessary, but now I know what it's like to be invisible.
Here are photos in good quality, besides, feel free to PM me, as I actually already have a ton of photos!
On this holiday, we also did not forget about our military and ordinary old people who were very happy with sweet surprises.
A week or so ago, I again did the delivery of baby food and diapers, as I did last time.
Done with baby food, this is the last batch received, and to be honest, individual delivery is not an easy task.
The wife started working, but in her spare time she still cooks food with other women [...]
Continuation, but on a slightly different scale [True, due to the insufficient amount of glass containers, I had to improvise].Quote
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Periodically, people bring things and furniture for migrants and food (including home preservation).
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In addition to the main grocery purchases, we bought materials for the girls who agreed to sew.
I think it will be fun, at least this is one of the areas in which I do not understand anything at all.
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Btw, when I took away the boxes with fabric materials, I managed to try on a sniper camouflage suit.
I didn't buy it because it's not necessary, but now I know what it's like to be invisible.
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Here are photos in good quality, besides, feel free to PM me, as I actually already have a ton of photos!
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Good practice, unfortunately it seems that it will take a lot of butchering invaders before the Tzar starts thinking that invading a peaceful neighbour was not a good idea after all. - Among other things, we collect glass jars so that women can preserve pork. I have no experience in butchering a pork carcass, but I can boast and say that I personally butchered about 150 kg carcass.
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[li]If anyone is interested, this is the everyday life of Ukrainians reflected in photographs, (little known telegram channel).[/li]
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Thanks, of course we are interested. I really hope you can keep up the work, it seems that it will get a bit worse before it can get better. All our support with you and soon a more practical delivery of aid and fighting means.
Bump / Hello everyone 
In addition, since international delivery to my address is currently unlikely, I am ready to donate my collectible items that are in stock with some of the regulars of the forum. If someone is interested in collectibles, write to me who wants to get them for free, (the shipping cost is also already covered).
- Started working with a local volunteer who is closely associated with a pharmacy ready to provide the necessary medicines to those who are in dire need of them and who cannot afford to buy them. We also created and distributed a Google form.
- I found a used freezer that is needed to cool the donated blood, I will pick up 2 or 3 more freezers on the weekend. I got these freezer for temporary use, after which I will need to return them to local entrepreneurs.
- The wife started working, but in her spare time she still cooks food with other women, with the only difference that the school where the kitchen is located also serves as a reception room for temporarily displaced people. The school serves as an overnight stay for such people until they find housing or move. In addition to buying food for cooking, we men, in turn, brought to this school a sufficient number of donated mattresses and blankets.
- Btw, this post is no longer relevant, since I have already found bulletproof vests for my relatives.
- A week or so ago, I again did the delivery of baby food and diapers, as I did last time.
- Among other things, we collect glass jars so that women can preserve pork. I have no experience in butchering a pork carcass, but I can boast and say that I personally butchered about 150 kg carcass.
- Among the immediate plans is to go to another region for a wholesale food depot. Plans to buy construction timber to renovate several destroyed premises. I'm also looking for leather to make gloves, but these are all things I'll be doing at the end of the week as I plan to spend time with family and work.
- If anyone is interested, this is the everyday life of Ukrainians reflected in photographs, (little known telegram channel).
In addition, since international delivery to my address is currently unlikely, I am ready to donate my collectible items that are in stock with some of the regulars of the forum. If someone is interested in collectibles, write to me who wants to get them for free, (the shipping cost is also already covered).
Hy @icopress,
very very good Job, thanks for your commitment.
Take care and stay healthy.
very very good Job, thanks for your commitment.
Take care and stay healthy.
Hello everyone, there is good news and not so good. 
Firstly, the grouping of our Nikolaev region threw the enemy back almost 80 kilometers, and those Russian military formations that practically propped up my city were completely destroyed. Starting Monday, the wife will have to look for a new volunteer job, as the checkpoint for which she has been cooking food for the past three weeks will be disbanded and forces will be transferred to where they are needed. On the map, you can clearly see how far the enemy was thrown back from my current geolocation.
Bad news is that one of the stationary military bases of my region was destroyed. Unfortunately, more than 40 servicemen were killed because of the rocket, and about 80 were injured - military personnel who were in reserve.
Some photos of my wife made by my wife .... I am very proud of it [although we are not officially married, but we are both with the wedding rings].
Btw, if someone can send or deliver personally three Bulletproofs vest to the border to Ukraine, I would be very grateful. I or my relatives are ready to come to the border. The problem is that I recently tried to order them on the Internet for Father and Uncle but my two attempts were not crowned with success (I lost $ 30 prepayment). I wish you all a peaceful sky above your head.
Firstly, the grouping of our Nikolaev region threw the enemy back almost 80 kilometers, and those Russian military formations that practically propped up my city were completely destroyed. Starting Monday, the wife will have to look for a new volunteer job, as the checkpoint for which she has been cooking food for the past three weeks will be disbanded and forces will be transferred to where they are needed. On the map, you can clearly see how far the enemy was thrown back from my current geolocation.
Bad news is that one of the stationary military bases of my region was destroyed. Unfortunately, more than 40 servicemen were killed because of the rocket, and about 80 were injured - military personnel who were in reserve.
Some photos of my wife made by my wife .... I am very proud of it [although we are not officially married, but we are both with the wedding rings].
Btw, if someone can send or deliver personally three Bulletproofs vest to the border to Ukraine, I would be very grateful. I or my relatives are ready to come to the border. The problem is that I recently tried to order them on the Internet for Father and Uncle but my two attempts were not crowned with success (I lost $ 30 prepayment). I wish you all a peaceful sky above your head.
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Now, getting back to the point, I want to say that I have never bought so many cigarettes before
But, I understand that smoking is harmful, but I try to buy what I need and not what I want, (more precisely what they ask to buy).
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Now, getting back to the point, I want to say that I have never bought so many cigarettes before
But, I understand that smoking is harmful, but I try to buy what I need and not what I want, (more precisely what they ask to buy).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q_2zZXHMg
That's so fitting (compared to other recent uses of the song like disco versions and similar), since it was used in anti-fascist resistance in Italy!
I also found this one the other day about the Javelin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlJOZPkK94
Whatever helps keep the mood up, I guess.
I also found this one the other day about the Javelin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlJOZPkK94
Whatever helps keep the mood up, I guess.
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