Practical methods to help addicted gamblers(2). - page 4.

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Quote from: Obari on July 05, 2024, 08:38:27 AM

In this current generation, can someone actually stay totally off the internet ? I personally don't think so because the world is already going very digital that it seems very impossible for a frequent internet user to stay off the air for that long especially because of something that he believes might even change his life story for good.

Definitely no lol, who're the ones that want to stop catching their dreams, stop to build their career, leave their family, friends and anything that they already comfortable with the place they live just for fucking gambling problem.

It's like learn how to kill your soul, you can get rid from gambling problem, but you will have new problem like depression, culture shock etc.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

I don't know if providing job source suggestions is the best. but it might be doable.
what I encounter with gamblers around me may not be like that. I can say they are addicted gamblers. they have jobs as their source of income. as well as the source of funds for the gambling they do. but what goes bad is that they spend all the money they earn from work on gambling. they even borrow money to gamble.
It turns out that some of these gamblers rely on money earned by their working wives for their living needs. who knows what they were thinking that they spent all the money they earned on gambling and lived dependent on a wife. it looked like a burden.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on July 04, 2024, 07:24:45 PM

- Stay away from all device
- Send all of your financial to someone you're trust
- Move away from the city and go to a village

Some place while there is no gambling place + make your self bussy without accessing to mostly internet. Could take times 1 years+ and tested your self comeback to the city, can you facing the temptation or not.

In this current generation, can someone actually stay totally off the internet ? I personally don't think so because the world is already going very digital that it seems very impossible for a frequent internet user to stay off the air for that long especially because of something that he believes might even change his life story for good.
A lot of people think addicted gamblers only gamble just for the sake of gambling but in the contrary they also have the hope and expectations to win and that extreme expectations to win is what makes them continue gambling at all cost.

Is sending all your funds to someone actually save? I understand that you have to trust the person before giving them your money but the question is, can the other person also trust and stay committed to safeguarding your funds?
The world is evil and the Bible also stated that the heart of men are desperately wicked and everyone knows that money itself has its own spirit and can make someone do things they never expected to do which makes giving out funds isn’t the right idea.

Personally I think one of the good ways to practically help an addict is being physically present with them because what they actually need is love and patience

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Advising other people can be quite an annoying job, especially advising gambling addicts, because even if you are not a gambler and have nothing to do with gambling, if they are basically stubborn, then they will not listen to what you say to them. So in my opinion, there is no practical method that can help gambling addicts, except themselves. And then sympathy from those closest to them, because what these addicts need is not an insult or judgment about what they are doing, but how they can be made aware of the mess they have done.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

That will not cure the urge. The man will end up using his source of income to gamble; if you want a jobless gambler to stop gambling, don't help him find a job; cure the urge first when the urge to gamble is cured, then help him find a job.

It might cure it. I have a friend that was a gambling addict before. He stopped gambling totally after he found job. But he has lost to a greater extent before which could serve him a lesson.

Quote from: aioc on July 05, 2024, 07:13:20 AM

Another practical suggestion to help cure addiction is to help him find another activity that will help him forget gambling, like sports activities that he loves. If he is into basketball, join him in tournaments; with all his time in this sport, he will forget gambling.

This is true but not that you will help him but you can encourage him and advice him to be engaging himself in the activities. Such activities like sport and others are even recreational and can help his health as well.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

"Practice what you Preach", so if you are saying someone to stop gambling then you have to be following it in the first place and I am not that convinced about faking cause sooner or later they might know which will lead to distrust in your relationship.

Instead you can promote responsible gambling,

Betting money that you are willing to lose
Gambling as a source of income will never work
Don't make it as habit forcefully or as a coping mechanism to avoid daily stress

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Gaming addiction is a serious illness, comparable, according to some experts, to drug addiction. Therefore, talking about other methods of help, in addition to specialists aimed at curing gambling addiction, is unlikely to be beneficial. People trapped in the game are treated not only with beliefs about the dangers of the passion of the game but also resort to methods such as hypnosis. Can ordinary people use hypnosis?
On the other hand, if you deprive a person of places where gambling is carried out and engage him in good work, then it is likely that this can have a beneficial effect on the psyche of the player. But everyone understands that in our time it is possible to deprive the Internet only in places where freedom is given to a person to a minimum. Therefore, the best way is to turn to specialists. Otherwise, in the event of any failure, everything will happen again.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

That will not cure the urge. The man will end up using his source of income to gamble; if you want a jobless gambler to stop gambling, don't help him find a job; cure the urge first when the urge to gamble is cured, then help him find a job.

Another practical suggestion to help cure addiction is to help him find another activity that will help him forget gambling, like sports activities that he loves. If he is into basketball, join him in tournaments; with all his time in this sport, he will forget gambling.

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I completely agree with you that the adviser should not look like a player, because there will be no logic in this. How can someone advise us to quit the game if we play it ourselves? Of course, no one will do this, no matter what motivating words we say to the addict.

Before playing gambling, we need to have a foundation of earnings that will bring us a guaranteed profit to cover our basic needs for housing and food. Of course, gambling cannot be considered as making money, but many beginners want to believe in it no matter what. The whole point is that they will check it only on themselves and after they discover the losses, they will begin to think about it and rethink it.

I would give advice to such players that gambling should not be perceived as something frivolous and not requiring mental stress. Therefore, they should better study the theory and understand the whole essence of the game and how the institution itself makes money from it, maybe they would better see the whole picture.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

I don't quite agree with your method, it is not good to be deceptive when trying to help a friend. What if he somehow finds out that you're still gambling? That'll definitely rubbish your good intentions for him, I think that you should make him to understand the difference between responsible and irresponsible gambling and let him decide the one that he prefers. You should let him to understand that he can choose to keep gambling without being addicted, let him have a gambling budget and be disciplined to stick to it. Gamble with the amount that he can afford to loose and don't try to recover loses. If he accepts these advices then he can continue gambling and be just fine, if he doesn't then it's not your fault if he becomes totally addicted, you can't force a horse to drink from a stream.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

find a hobby that both of you enjoy(except gambling) and make you busy also having a companion while doing the hobby you enjoy can make forgetting about gambling much easier, mental health professionals often encourage people with gambling addiction to find a hobby to keep their minds away from gambling and to keep them busy. if you can convince a gambling addict to take on a hobby that both of you can enjoy this could help them not think so much about gambling.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

Attend group seminars from people who have been in addiction and have been able to recover; there is nothing like hearing from people who experience the highs and lows of gambling. They are the best who can give the best advice and steps on how to avoid becoming addicted to gambling.

Another thing is keeping a journal of your losses and winnings and your feelings about these losses. By having this monitoring plan, you'll be able to understand your behavior. A friend did this, and he is still successful in warding off addiction.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

Hiding your your real identity and advicing others can be deceptive because a Good leader must lead by example. Before you remove a dirt in someone's body you should must have removed yours. Advice is not a corse as they said, but let it be a genuine advice.

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If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

Making gambling as a source of income is a matter of choice. Some people may have what they are doing that pays them money but chose Gambling as their alternative way of making money. Advising such person who find pleasure in gambling may be problematic. expecially when the person is often winning and not complaining.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

NB: The discussion was first started on altcoinstalks.

Not to castigate them about their gambling addictions. Show them love and encourage them, that they can stay off gambling if they mean to by budgeting less amounts for gambling, developing hobbies for something else that can fill up their chances of gambling, and avoiding environments where gambling houses are located.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

Even as a responsible gambler, you may not be taken seriously if you advise another fellow gambler who is having problems and slowly becoming an addict to stop gambling completely.

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

NB: The discussion was first started on altcoinstalks.

I don't know if this is practical, but if you are really a true friend and concern about this addiction, you should always be at his side, no matter what he is going in this life including his gambling habits.

So it might be very difficult specially if you have your own family and you are too busy in life. But you consider him as best friends, maybe you can do that and in constant contact with his family and the moment they call you, you can be there at his side to stop him from gambling and talk him out of it.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

You don’t necessarily have to hide your gambling activities before you can give advice like this - for something like this you should be able to do something that shows the person that what they are doing is not good and is currently ruining them for example the way you present yourself publicly will be able to sort it out. There are gamblers out there that if you see them you will never be able to tell if they are into gambling or not while some that you’ll instantly be able to tell that he/she is an addict - if you’re among the first set there’s no way that the addict wouldn’t want to listen to you because they’ll want to live like you and present themselves like you - but if you are the type that look roughed and want to start giving advice to others on how to stop addiction you’ll only end making a fool of yourself because none of them will be willing to listen to you.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

Even as a responsible gambler, you may not be taken seriously if you advise another fellow gambler who is having problems and slowly becoming an addict to stop gambling completely.

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

NB: The discussion was first started on altcoinstalks.

Unfortunately, no advice or arguments will help a person quit gambling addiction until he himself wants to do it. There is no point in hiding your activities or deceiving, each person has his own healing path. But the first step is always to realize one’s problem and that a person cannot solve his problem on his own. The first step is always to admit that you need help.
Regarding practical advice - after a person has admitted that he needs help, then this is God. In my case, God and religion helped me get rid of many years of drug addiction. If it worked for me, it could probably work for others too.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

Even as a responsible gambler, you may not be taken seriously if you advise another fellow gambler who is having problems and slowly becoming an addict to stop gambling completely.

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

Usually people who advise others are advice that comes from experience. So advising other people and hiding your own gambling activities? then it's as if you've never gambled in front of him? How do you know about the risks of gambling and its effects if it is not based on personal experience. A gambler who advises a problem gambler will end up with a mixed decision. Taking other people's cases, giving warnings, giving one example of failure etc. for problem gamblers is just a waste of time. The only way to make them aware of the risks of not being able to control themselves is to experience destruction first.

In a week, almost 4-5 times I listen to the complaints of problem gamblers and almost every time I try to advise them but the results are zero because they have not experienced ruin. At some point there is someone who has lost everything until he finally realizes that what I said in the past is true, then he now advises his friends not to suffer the same fate. The point is that the solution I just found for those who stop gambling is to lose everything, especially for gamblers who are aggressive, problematic and unable to limit themselves to the limits of their views on gambling.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

Even as a responsible gambler, you may not be taken seriously if you advise another fellow gambler who is having problems and slowly becoming an addict to stop gambling completely.

This is why I put forward this advice: before you advise someone to quit gambling as a gambler, you have to hide your gambling activities from them so it doesn't look like you are advising them to do something that you yourself cannot do.

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

What other practical methods can we use to help addicted gamblers become better, aside from professional help?

NB: The discussion was first started on altcoinstalks.

This gambling addiction is a serious something that even if you give an addicted gambler a good paying job or place him/her on a monthly pay roll so they will stop gambling, it will shock you to know that they won't stop. They will still go back to gambling. The more a gambling addict sees money, the more the urge to gamble will sets in. At some point it's not about the money anymore but about satisfying that inner urge to gamble. Well I once had a similar case with a relative. What we did was to make sure that his phone was taken away from him. We went to the nearby but gambling hall and requested they bar him from entering the place. Though we paid them money to make it effective. We also went as far as registering him to learn a new skill, to engage his mind in a remote area with close supervision. We made sure he wasn't getting any money of his own, whatever he needs we provide it for him. After a year and six of of being there and learning the skill that gambling addiction vanished and that was the end of it.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 04, 2024, 07:13:44 PM

If you also notice that these people are gambling as a source of income, you can help them find other, more reliable sources of income while advising them that gambling is not a source of income so that they no longer see gambling in that light.

Gambling for source of income is a choice and with no doubts, most gamblers for income do have source of earning rather they choose to give gambling a try if they can have addictional source to earn more money.

It is also a good ideal to hide your negative side of gambling while you intend to advice others who are chronical in the gambling system because it is expected to be a thing that... You should practice what you preaches so that you can be an effective role model.

So then, it does not seem pretty good if we contently live by our side effected live in gambling while we expects others to desist from it.
Respectively, of you can advice and expect anyone to change from their addictions and you are one already, then use same advisory strategy to also sort yourself out.

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