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Quote from: uneng on June 25, 2021, 12:07:51 PM

Quote from: Erdogan on June 25, 2021, 10:52:57 AM

I don't know a player who doesn't fold his hands as if to pray or use the word "God" when playing in a casino or the lottery. Regardless of which god someone believes in and even if he doesn't believe in any, he somehow prays to be lucky. Unfortunately, god has nothing to do with math and probability.

How does God have nothing to do with math and probability if he is the creator of all things?
The basics of every religions is that a supreme creator gave origin to all the rest. Although minor gods possessing power to create also exist in some religions they wouldn't exist without a supreme creator that is above all. So God is associated with all the laws which rule the universe, what includes math, probability and everything else. God has nothing to do with the misuse of the elements of his creation, that are the addictions. But there are no problems in having a healthy gambling routine.

Right, it's funny when someone says "god has nothing to do with".
Because after all, God certainly knows what the person is doing but on the other hand, most of them don't realize that God knows and is watching. So in the case of praying while gambling it is still not a problem because after all, the gambler believes that his god will be involved but that doesn't mean that by praying the results will always be good, no. Because praying is just an effort from someone to get good results, even though the results are not always good but at least he has good faith in his god and it's not a problem.

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Quote from: lienfaye on June 24, 2021, 02:45:03 AM

Exactly, you win not because God answered your prayer but because you're lucky. We should not connect the outcome of the game to what we prayed for, certainly its a coincidence if ever we win or its really meant to happen. Stop relying to what we dont see if we gamble, our knowledge, skills snd luck are the key to maximize our chance to win and hit the jackpot.

It's not luck that made you win, it's mathematics and probability that made you win in gambling, we just consider it lucky because we can't fathom the numbers and it's too small to consider although you are right that it's not God that made you win.

Both answer is right. People will just see that is because of luck so they consider that it is the luck that help them win the games. Besides that, many things that help them but they do not realize so people will hope that their luck will come to them when they gamble. But prayer before gambling will not be a problem and some people will still doing that even if the result is lose.

Prayer is not the answer of winning. Even in every game what you play in life, but prayer is everything but we cannot use it in gambling. You can still do it but we cannot use that as our security to win. If people doesn't want to lose more than what they can afford then simply play with the amount that they can afford to lose and don't expect that your prayer will help you in your every games. Being lucky is also a good time for us to win although kittygalore is right that the mathematics and probability can also be the one who made us win, maybe you should have them both, luck and probability to make us win.

Prayer can make you calm down, even in gambling. But that will depend on how you can control yourself in gambling. If you lose your control, you will not calm down but anger to see your loss. Some people beliefs that if they pray before gamble can increase their chance to win, but that depends on your luck itself. Whether you pray or not, if you do not have luck, you will not win. Getting lucky in gambling is hard, so it is better not to hope that your luck will come to you every time you gamble. Probability can give you the chance to win, but you still need luck.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 24, 2021, 06:25:32 PM

Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe. You have to remember that gambling is paying for entertainment and while some people use it in an attempt to get rich it doesn’t change the fact that you are paying for entertainment. Leave God out of your debauchery.

Amen.

I need to add a couple of words or otherwise my post might be deleted as spam, but what I really wanted to respond to OgNasty remains: Amen. Wink

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Quote from: Erdogan on June 25, 2021, 10:52:57 AM

I don't know a player who doesn't fold his hands as if to pray or use the word "God" when playing in a casino or the lottery. Regardless of which god someone believes in and even if he doesn't believe in any, he somehow prays to be lucky. Unfortunately, god has nothing to do with math and probability.

How does God have nothing to do with math and probability if he is the creator of all things?
The basics of every religions is that a supreme creator gave origin to all the rest. Although minor gods possessing power to create also exist in some religions they wouldn't exist without a supreme creator that is above all. So God is associated with all the laws which rule the universe, what includes math, probability and everything else. God has nothing to do with the misuse of the elements of his creation, that are the addictions. But there are no problems in having a healthy gambling routine.

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Quote from: Erdogan on June 25, 2021, 10:52:57 AM

I don't know a player who doesn't fold his hands as if to pray or use the word "God" when playing in a casino or the lottery. Regardless of which god someone believes in and even if he doesn't believe in any, he somehow prays to be lucky. Unfortunately, god has nothing to do with math and probability.

It seems to me that everyone understands that this is not a real prayer, but only a way to reduce nervous tension. In general, this is quite paradoxical - people go to casinos to tickle their nerves and at the same time try to reduce the effect they get during the game.

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I don't know a player who doesn't fold his hands as if to pray or use the word "God" when playing in a casino or the lottery. Regardless of which god someone believes in and even if he doesn't believe in any, he somehow prays to be lucky. Unfortunately, god has nothing to do with math and probability.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on June 24, 2021, 06:57:35 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on June 24, 2021, 06:25:32 PM

Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe.

It depends on someone's belief. If in his/her belief that praying doesn't deserve to include in gambling, it shouldn't be a part of gambling. While if in his/her belief that praying is something usual in the game like gambling, so just go to pray in gambling. Actually, this something shouldn't be debated because basically the choice of an individual. I don't know why many people debate it here although they know it is the right of the individual.

someone's belief in what they believe is their basic right and we certainly can't force it on other people, what they do we don't necessarily think is right, as well as what we do may not be in line with their beliefs, but I really believe all Religions in the world teach goodness to their people, Every gambling player certainly wants victory and not defeat and usually Prayers and spell are always spoken from the mouth of almost all gambling players and they hope to win and in my opinion every intention and hope of winning that is in the heart is a prayer, and usually gamblers will hope that they get lucky in the game.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 24, 2021, 06:25:32 PM

Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe. You have to remember that gambling is paying for entertainment and while some people use it in an attempt to get rich it doesn’t change the fact that you are paying for entertainment. Leave God out of your debauchery.

It depends on which God they are turning to Grin

I am not an expert on religious practices, but now, as far as I know, this issue is very liberalized and you can pray on any issue and to any God (good or evil). Perhaps this process of "communication" with higher beings for the people who are engaged in these are more important than the very process of entertaining betting.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on June 24, 2021, 06:57:35 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on June 24, 2021, 06:25:32 PM

Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe.

It depends on someone's belief. If in his/her belief that praying doesn't deserve to include in gambling, it shouldn't be a part of gambling. While if in his/her belief that praying is something usual in the game like gambling, so just go to pray in gambling. Actually, this something shouldn't be debated because basically the choice of an individual. I don't know why many people debate it here although they know it is the right of the individual.

People would believe into something that he had proven out that it had worked on him or basing up with real life experience and all would really be believing into something if they had done it on the past.

Is there something we can do? No, because its just normal for a human reaction to have this kind of behavior whenever we do make something and it turns out to work then we would surely be having that kind of belief.

Prayer neither could work or not but honestly divine things has nothing to do with gambling.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 24, 2021, 06:25:32 PM

Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe.

It depends on someone's belief. If in his/her belief that praying doesn't deserve to include in gambling, it shouldn't be a part of gambling. While if in his/her belief that praying is something usual in the game like gambling, so just go to pray in gambling. Actually, this something shouldn't be debated because basically the choice of an individual. I don't know why many people debate it here although they know it is the right of the individual.

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Perhaps this is a controversial stance but I think if praying is part of your gambling process you probably shouldn’t be gambling maybe. You have to remember that gambling is paying for entertainment and while some people use it in an attempt to get rich it doesn’t change the fact that you are paying for entertainment. Leave God out of your debauchery.

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Quote from: Renampun on June 24, 2021, 05:43:15 PM

Gambling wins are usually based on luck and skill, not based on prayer Cheesy

I think we should use prayer only for other things, in the holy book there is no prohibition against gambling, it's just that in the general public gambling is a form of sin. A prayer is a form of our request to God and it's really strange if we ask God to win the gamble lol.

That is correct if you will take it literally but it's not the thing here.

A gambler already knows that praying won't give influence to their desire but that was just a form of guidance as luck is not a thing that you can get even you to want. Since they are already gambling with risk then they will also risk for chances if someone ABOVE will listen to them thru praying.

Let those people just pray and we shouldn't bother about that.

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Quote from: Renampun on June 24, 2021, 05:43:15 PM

Quote from: dmamigo on June 23, 2021, 12:09:11 PM

In gambling, only luck plays a vital role apart from the player's instinct, knowledge, and gameplay for few games. Apart from these prayer will just help to keep calm while gambling which is also important while you gamble especially during poker because not always it will go as the player thinks.
Even if one does not have luck with calmness with them would do wonders as seen live on tables.

Gambling wins are usually based on luck and skill, not based on prayer Cheesy

I think we should use prayer only for other things, in the holy book there is no prohibition against gambling, it's just that in the general public gambling is a form of sin. A prayer is a form of our request to God and it's really strange if we ask God to win the gamble lol.

^ Definitely right, but it really matters on us, in our faith and also our religious belief but think it over of what in the holy book said that the gambling is a part of sin and why you will ask to the above if this is a sin. However, we can't blame them for what they believe, that is their life anyway and they are free to do everything they want. But probably wishing someone and hoping that you will win on which game did you gamble will probably the right way for this, not by prayer.

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Quote from: dmamigo on June 23, 2021, 12:09:11 PM

In gambling, only luck plays a vital role apart from the player's instinct, knowledge, and gameplay for few games. Apart from these prayer will just help to keep calm while gambling which is also important while you gamble especially during poker because not always it will go as the player thinks.
Even if one does not have luck with calmness with them would do wonders as seen live on tables.

Gambling wins are usually based on luck and skill, not based on prayer Cheesy

I think we should use prayer only for other things, in the holy book there is no prohibition against gambling, it's just that in the general public gambling is a form of sin. A prayer is a form of our request to God and it's really strange if we ask God to win the gamble lol.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 20, 2021, 12:31:15 PM

I suggested something similar but your sample size is too small, if someone tossed a coin 1000 times without praying a single time and then did the same while praying to get the results they want we are going to find out there is not a statistical meaningful difference between the two samples, which leads us to a very simple conclusion, praying has no effect on our probabilities, something that should be obvious without running this experiment but this can be done just to make sure this is the case.

It can't be done actually because how are you going to verify that the person actually prayed? What does praying even mean? Talk some bible verses? This experiment can't be done, but I guess most of us agree that calling for some transcendental power for your own good does not work out very often... Wink

Of course it can be done and I gave full instructions about how to do it, the experiment is a personal one and not a discussion about how people are supposed to pray, they only need to do what they do at the casino when they are wishing for the odds and the results to change in their favor, if they do this and they find no difference with the control sample then the conclusion is easy, praying does not influence the results no matter how hard they ask for it.

Are you trying to tell me that your suggestion on how to do it is scientifically sound? Cheesy

lol...

If it is all about wishing, then who doesn't wish for the outcome that makes the player win? This cannot objectively be tested. Anyway, who cares. Let the people pray and believe they can outcompete the house just by praying, good luck holy people!

This is just also my mindset on just let them be because we do have our own things that do believe in life which means each of us would really be different when it comes to those things that we do approach.We do really have that wishful thinking which would really be the reason for people to
make out those kind of praying behavior which i cant really blame them off because once we do get engage with then we would really be having those kind of mindset that we should really be lucky and that wishful thinking ending up on this kind of action.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 23, 2021, 12:08:14 PM

Quote from: mig6r on June 20, 2021, 07:19:15 PM

Quote from: Silberman on June 20, 2021, 12:31:15 PM

I suggested something similar but your sample size is too small, if someone tossed a coin 1000 times without praying a single time and then did the same while praying to get the results they want we are going to find out there is not a statistical meaningful difference between the two samples, which leads us to a very simple conclusion, praying has no effect on our probabilities, something that should be obvious without running this experiment but this can be done just to make sure this is the case.

It can't be done actually because how are you going to verify that the person actually prayed? What does praying even mean? Talk some bible verses? This experiment can't be done, but I guess most of us agree that calling for some transcendental power for your own good does not work out very often... Wink

Of course it can be done and I gave full instructions about how to do it, the experiment is a personal one and not a discussion about how people are supposed to pray, they only need to do what they do at the casino when they are wishing for the odds and the results to change in their favor, if they do this and they find no difference with the control sample then the conclusion is easy, praying does not influence the results no matter how hard they ask for it.

Are you trying to tell me that your suggestion on how to do it is scientifically sound? Cheesy

lol...

If it is all about wishing, then who doesn't wish for the outcome that makes the player win? This cannot objectively be tested. Anyway, who cares. Let the people pray and believe they can outcompete the house just by praying, good luck holy people!

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Quote from: Kittygalore on June 24, 2021, 04:35:06 AM

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Quote from: Kittygalore on June 24, 2021, 02:50:26 AM

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Both answer is right. People will just see that is because of luck so they consider that it is the luck that help them win the games. Besides that, many things that help them but they do not realize so people will hope that their luck will come to them when they gamble. But prayer before gambling will not be a problem and some people will still doing that even if the result is lose.

I don't have qualms with the people who pray before gambling but I don't personally find the appeal of that because you are trying to appeal to something that doesn't exist. Luck is debatable because I don't really believe in it because gambling is full of probability and odds.

Yes, we can feel like that but I doubt that is what other people will feel because when they start praying, they will feel better and gamble without hard feeling and hopefully, they can also accept whatever the result later. Although luck is debatable, luck is the important thing that every gambler should have, and they need to realize that. I agree that gambling is full of probability and odds, which is the thing that luck will play.

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Quote from: michellee on June 24, 2021, 04:03:02 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on June 24, 2021, 02:50:26 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on June 24, 2021, 02:45:03 AM

Exactly, you win not because God answered your prayer but because you're lucky. We should not connect the outcome of the game to what we prayed for, certainly its a coincidence if ever we win or its really meant to happen. Stop relying to what we dont see if we gamble, our knowledge, skills snd luck are the key to maximize our chance to win and hit the jackpot.

It's not luck that made you win, it's mathematics and probability that made you win in gambling, we just consider it lucky because we can't fathom the numbers and it's too small to consider although you are right that it's not God that made you win.

Both answer is right. People will just see that is because of luck so they consider that it is the luck that help them win the games. Besides that, many things that help them but they do not realize so people will hope that their luck will come to them when they gamble. But prayer before gambling will not be a problem and some people will still doing that even if the result is lose.

Prayer is not the answer of winning. Even in every game what you play in life, but prayer is everything but we cannot use it in gambling. You can still do it but we cannot use that as our security to win. If people doesn't want to lose more than what they can afford then simply play with the amount that they can afford to lose and don't expect that your prayer will help you in your every games. Being lucky is also a good time for us to win although kittygalore is right that the mathematics and probability can also be the one who made us win, maybe you should have them both, luck and probability to make us win.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 24, 2021, 05:52:16 AM

Some people actually believe in praying when Gambling. But I don't think prayer can makes someone to win when gambling. Although, I have once prayed over a bet which I placed, but I lost. Winning a bet Is all about Luck, not praying or predictions.

Probably someone who bet on the opposite result prayed more diligently Grin

By the way, I know that some churches have such a paid service - to pray for someone, I wonder if they are ready to pray for any sports performance and will such a service be in demand among gamblers?

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Quote from: blackened515 on June 23, 2021, 05:22:22 PM

Gambling has nothing to do with God,one doesn't need to pray for it to happen,it happens according to what you played and according to how lucky you are on a particular game.I have prayed most atimes when I'm staking a ga me and it never worked for one day.People believe it works when they happen to win a game not knowing it's coincidence.

Some people actually believe in praying when Gambling. But I don't think prayer can makes someone to win when gambling. Although, I have once prayed over a bet which I placed, but I lost. Winning a bet Is all about Luck, not praying or predictions.

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