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legendary
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Some investors may not be aware of escrow - and bitcointalk ... How about them?Huh
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That was probably that 13 BTC which wasserman forwarded to escrow adress so in vote power its just 20% of all.
So btt people were sending directly to escrow that was about 65BTC i was checking last minutes.

And those guys who were sending to escrow then escrow will forward back that BTC to wasserman Cheesy
becouse wasserman owns that address.
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 533
Some of the investors of the second phase - not bitcointalk forum and they do not care to escrow. Only BTC forum users got escrowed in phase 2 - IT NO correct !!!   It was a lot of advertising on other sites  
Some investors may not be aware of escrow - and bitcointalk ... How about them?Huh


 If there is a distribution -  investors will not be able return on investment...  Distribution -  according to shares . If someone refund own investment - the shares of the remaining increase proportionally - and the number of coins too...

If anyone refund investment - he is obliged to return the coins - but he can not do it...


Maybe,  solution is to launch the wallet WITHOUT  distribution - EMPTY WALLET - SHELL WALLET ?
sr. member
Activity: 406
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Too Weird to Live. Too Rare to Die...
Where is the wallet? I need my ICO Coins.  Angry

There isn't gonna be a wallet. They refuse to make one so do they refuse to pay out signature bounties.

They keep crying over a agreement for the escrow funds. Any one in his right mind would had just started. But not the open and fair opair team.
sr. member
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RK Coin Services - Alt Coins Dev (ETH-BTC & More)
Where is the wallet? I need my ICO Coins.  Angry
full member
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Wasserman99, You said you need an agreement.

Tell us your milestones so we can talk about the values to assign to them!
hero member
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XbladeX,

We already give our position. We dont want the funds of the second phase now, we only want an agreement, because we cant start to work without clear rules about the other funds. We must avoid future problems. We have already proposed several plans, and, even, agree with a lot of the plans proposed by the community as you can see in my last messages.

Regards


Better start to pack things up, I got my funds on phase 1 ICO and I wont deny that Im feeling not good with it. Could you atleast start showing us something that you are currently working on?staying silent in the dark is not helping at all, we want atleast a proof that development is made
full member
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In case of refund and if smb sent from exchange (me too), I have a good idea. You can abandon your account and send login and password to SJ. He will see the according withdrawals. At least in my case they are the last, he will see at once. Worse if somebody made a lot of withdrawals and he has to look through a long list.
Will that be enough?
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 513
Just a thought, but are there any OCAML devs in the community? I only write basic python or I would offer my assistance. Maybe, if we can begin some development or get a community driven base set up for wasserman and truly show interest in the project It will help to push the project forward.
From watching ICO's, and other ALT releases, I've noticed it can be very depressing for a dev to deal with some of the fudders and trolls (even though it's occasionally needed.)

BTW I do realize that I'm suggesting we do some of his work for him, in a roundabout way.

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DankFrank, I sent it to SJ aswell


I only know PHP and JAVA.
There's supposed to be 2 devs, that should be enough.

(snip)

-Dev currently hold ~60 BTC, which the community believes is enough to begin development and release basic features

(snip)

Looks like it's considerably less now:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9



There are still BTC65  in the wallet, but everytime a small transaction is done approx BTC1 is send to another address which is still part of the wallet.


Huh… Yeah, the movement didn't look malicious. But why is it the way it is? Is that a special setting or something? I don't see why that makes sense.
member
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let the dev create something.  isn't that the point of all this? long-term Huh instead of just dumping coins....
sr. member
Activity: 406
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Too Weird to Live. Too Rare to Die...
Just a thought, but are there any OCAML devs in the community? I only write basic python or I would offer my assistance. Maybe, if we can begin some development or get a community driven base set up for wasserman and truly show interest in the project It will help to push the project forward.
From watching ICO's, and other ALT releases, I've noticed it can be very depressing for a dev to deal with some of the fudders and trolls (even though it's occasionally needed.)

BTW I do realize that I'm suggesting we do some of his work for him, in a roundabout way.

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DankFrank, I sent it to SJ aswell


I only know PHP and JAVA.
There's supposed to be 2 devs, that should be enough.

(snip)

-Dev currently hold ~60 BTC, which the community believes is enough to begin development and release basic features

(snip)

Looks like it's considerably less now:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9



There are still BTC65  in the wallet, but everytime a small transaction is done approx BTC1 is send to another address which is still part of the wallet.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 513
(snip)

-Dev currently hold ~60 BTC, which the community believes is enough to begin development and release basic features

(snip)

Looks like it's considerably less now:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/1MtzCZpBLqmLNSEjoAxbLv2zCcAvrKyHm9

legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
Just a thought, but are there any OCAML devs in the community? I only write basic python or I would offer my assistance. Maybe, if we can begin some development or get a community driven base set up for wasserman and truly show interest in the project It will help to push the project forward.
From watching ICO's, and other ALT releases, I've noticed it can be very depressing for a dev to deal with some of the fudders and trolls (even though it's occasionally needed.)

BTW I do realize that I'm suggesting we do some of his work for him, in a roundabout way.

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DankFrank, I sent it to SJ aswell
sr. member
Activity: 406
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Too Weird to Live. Too Rare to Die...
@l8nit3 if you could sign a message to one of your addresses you used to deposit with and send your opair deposit address as proof of investment to SebastianJu or any reaL proof you could provide, he wants to hear investors opinion phase 1 or 2 doesn't matter. If you are willing to of course.
Unfortunately both of my deposits were made from exchanges, so signing a message from there will be tough. However Id be more then happy to provide the 2 transaction ID's aswell as screen shots from my exchange account showig the same tx id's, or anything else that may help

~snip~
 

No need to post it here, you could pm it to SebastianJu, maybe it is enough. He doesn't care for comments here since he doesn't know who are investors or just trolls.
sr. member
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XbladeX,

We already give our position. We dont want the funds of the second phase now, we only want an agreement, because we cant start to work without clear rules about the other funds. We must avoid future problems. We have already proposed several plans, and, even, agree with a lot of the plans proposed by the community as you can see in my last messages.

Regards

I've launch my coin and I have funds of 3 BTC, if you cannot start working on your coin before the funds are being released then you should not have started a coin in the first place.

Do you read his comment? he does not need the 2nd phase funds,  He just needs SJ idea about the proposal community - not about releasing funds. that's all

SJ is just waiting to see some code or anything before he can agree on a proposal, I think. Best is for wasserman to start working.
legendary
Activity: 1007
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@l8nit3 if you could sign a message to one of your addresses you used to deposit with and send your opair deposit address as proof of investment to SebastianJu or any reaL proof you could provide, he wants to hear investors opinion phase 1 or 2 doesn't matter. If you are willing to of course.
Unfortunately both of my deposits were made from exchanges, so signing a message from there will be tough. However Id be more then happy to provide the 2 transaction ID's aswell as screen shots from my exchange account showig the same tx id's, or anything else that may help

https://blockchain.info/tx/9178573a54755a0787ca3be8f0d7259055dce0212d3b12ee36442e17cc7bf7d6
https://blockchain.info/tx/2c1ea590f0ddbc863a85ab7698522dbd64e34394341e5e4390ba73fe388a3a59


 
sr. member
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Too Weird to Live. Too Rare to Die...
XbladeX,

We already give our position. We dont want the funds of the second phase now, we only want an agreement, because we cant start to work without clear rules about the other funds. We must avoid future problems. We have already proposed several plans, and, even, agree with a lot of the plans proposed by the community as you can see in my last messages.

Regards

I've launch my coin and I have funds of 3 BTC, if you cannot start working on your coin before the funds are being released then you should not have started a coin in the first place.

+1 good job Lazarus2016 Smiley
hero member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 512
XbladeX,

We already give our position. We dont want the funds of the second phase now, we only want an agreement, because we cant start to work without clear rules about the other funds. We must avoid future problems. We have already proposed several plans, and, even, agree with a lot of the plans proposed by the community as you can see in my last messages.

Regards

I've launch my coin and I have funds of 3 BTC, if you cannot start working on your coin before the funds are being released then you should not have started a coin in the first place.

Do you read his comment? he does not need the 2nd phase funds,  He just needs SJ idea about the proposal community - not about releasing funds. that's all
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
XbladeX,

We already give our position. We dont want the funds of the second phase now, we only want an agreement, because we cant start to work without clear rules about the other funds. We must avoid future problems. We have already proposed several plans, and, even, agree with a lot of the plans proposed by the community as you can see in my last messages.

Regards

I've launch my coin and I have funds of 3 BTC, if you cannot start working on your coin before the funds are being released then you should not have started a coin in the first place.
sr. member
Activity: 457
Merit: 250
Generation Blockchain.
So, I have been watching this thread for a few pages now (after investing early in the ICO). I made 2 deposits, and currently 'own' a small bag of ~10,000 XPO. (being transparent before sharing my opinion)

From what I see:
-There is dispute over the remaining funds kept in escrow
-These funds WILL NOT be released until progress is shown (basic wallet, xpo release , etc)
-Bounties are unpaid 'waiting on funds'
-Dev currently hold ~60 BTC, which the community believes is enough to begin development and release basic features
-Tensions are rising with some investors, due to 'lack of decision', and some are prepared to ask for refund
-SJ(escrow) is playing it smart and waiting on a clear plan for releasing funds.

So, what can we possibly do in the situation? We have many suggestions, from many different 'levels' of people ...1st round investors, 2nd round investors, helpful 'outsiders' or non-investors, and maybe a few trolls

My thought, Developers, escrow, and (as an example) top 10 investors need to get on a hangouts conference or skype or whatever, and take this straight back to the start.
-Step 1 - send all funds not in escrow to SJ, minus the outstanding bounties, which need to be paid out to those waiting
-Step 2 - Before any funds are released, A full whitepaper, with general timeline needs to be released with approx cost of each step
-Step 3 - A minimal amount of escrowed funds are released to begin development of wallet, also refund any investors who cant wait
-Step 4 - Continue as per whitepaper.

I understand this will delay release by a fair bit of time, however I believe accepting that this began in error and fixing these issues would bring a lot more respect and trust to the project.

Just my 2 sats worth

All observations are on point. And agree with the suggestions to move forward. I'll add 2 sats to that.  Wink

And to add - CEO Frank (whoever he is) should start showing involvement in the project. Open and Fair!
YIz
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 502
So, I have been watching this thread for a few pages now (after investing early in the ICO). I made 2 deposits, and currently 'own' a small bag of ~10,000 XPO. (being transparent before sharing my opinion)

From what I see:
-There is dispute over the remaining funds kept in escrow
-These funds WILL NOT be released until progress is shown (basic wallet, xpo release , etc)
-Bounties are unpaid 'waiting on funds'
-Dev currently hold ~60 BTC, which the community believes is enough to begin development and release basic features
-Tensions are rising with some investors, due to 'lack of decision', and some are prepared to ask for refund
-SJ(escrow) is playing it smart and waiting on a clear plan for releasing funds.

So, what can we possibly do in the situation? We have many suggestions, from many different 'levels' of people ...1st round investors, 2nd round investors, helpful 'outsiders' or non-investors, and maybe a few trolls

My thought, Developers, escrow, and (as an example) top 10 investors need to get on a hangouts conference or skype or whatever, and take this straight back to the start.
-Step 1 - send all funds not in escrow to SJ, minus the outstanding bounties, which need to be paid out to those waiting
-Step 2 - Before any funds are released, A full whitepaper, with general timeline needs to be released with approx cost of each step
-Step 3 - A minimal amount of escrowed funds are released to begin development of wallet, also refund any investors who cant wait
-Step 4 - Continue as per whitepaper.

I understand this will delay release by a fair bit of time, however I believe accepting that this began in error and fixing these issues would bring a lot more respect and trust to the project.

Just my 2 sats worth

I agree, the best proposal so far.
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