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They have the advantage of being able to do whatever the heck they want, there is no globally distributed ledger to carefully coordinate between remote partners in mixed time zones and multiple languages.

You're being sarcastic right? That's exactly what a blockchain is for.

They can just scrap whatever went wrong and just pull another rabbit out the hat and tell people to just use that blockchain instead, same difference.  

I'm not sure that would sit well with everybody who has been planning to use it as a NEM token over the last 6 months.

The petro was a prime example of throwing a blockchain at a problem and hoping for the best. However, instead of just being some fanciful, pie-in-the-sky idea, this directly effects the livelihood of millions of people, for the worse. The moment this thing stops being smoke-and-mirrors is the moment I'll stop trashing it.

Well not really sarcastic but the real life situation is there is giant differences between various crypto standards.    A unilateral blockchain really is miles away from BTC with its distribution done competitively.     That small point is lost on many users though, they just want it to work.   Its far easier to make this top down approach work out.

I agree until its really used then its just been alot of talk.   Maybe just the talk of using it had some influence, I read that Iran intends to use some blockchain setup.
I'd be surprised if they do distribute the blockchain properly, it'll probably be another command economy setup which to me misses the point of how open trade and monetary velocity can enable commerce to take place in benefit of all participants and be a positive in an economy
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What can we learn about Petro?

OPINION

By Juan F. Bolaños  On Jul 10, 2018

The Petro (PTR), the cryptocurrency launched by the Venezuelan government, arose from the idea of ​​former President Hugo Chávez Frías to create a strong currency backed by raw materials. The dream of the non-aligned countries (MPNA) whose president pro tempore is Nicolás Maduro, has been to have an international currency that directly competes with the US dollar with the aim of balancing the global economic hegemony that the United States has.

What is Petro?
Paraphrasing the introduction of the white paper -white paper- by Petro, he says that the chain of blocks allows the transfer of information and value without the participation of intermediaries, making possible the development of financial platforms that are transparent, efficient and non-discriminatory.

The Petro is a sovereign cryptocurrency backed by oil assets and issued by the Venezuelan State as a spearhead for the development of an independent digital economy, transparent and open to the direct participation of citizens. It will also serve as a platform for the growth of a fairer financial system that contributes to development, autonomy and trade among emerging economies.

The Petro will have the ability to overcome blockages, delays and limitations of the traditional financial system , favoring the growth of a new economic ecosystem based on trust, integrity, transparency, efficiency and speed that guarantees the technology of block chains.

Value backed by oil
According to the same white paper, Petro will back on the future price of crude oil extracted from reserves not yet exploited - Venezuela is the country with the largest oil reserves in the world - and will enjoy the status of legal tender for the country. payment of taxes, fees and other obligations to the Venezuelan treasury.

In other words, the value of Petro is tied to the willingness of the Venezuelan government to pay its creditors.
Given the history of irresponsibility in financial management and economic decision-making, there is no certainty that the Venezuelan government will honor its commitments.

We do not know with certainty if one day these oil reserves will be exploited in view of the large investment required to start producing these fields. The scenario could be compared with the hypothetical case that on Mars are discovered huge gold reserves that could not be exploited due to its high extraction cost. Likewise, Venezuelan oil production has been decreasing consistently since Chavismo came to power 20 years ago.

The nature of the block chain
I feel the need to repeat something I wrote earlier in the article The nature of the chain of blocks, taking into account that, in order to understand Petro's nonsense, it is necessary to first know what a chain of blocks is, the same as it must strictly comply -from the point of view of the purists, among which I include myself- with the following attributes. A blockchain must be:

- Open
- Without Borders
- Transnational
- Neutral
- Resistant to censorship

Open
The software that gives life to the chain of blocks is open source, therefore, nobody must pay licenses or royalties or ask permission to use and improve it. In the same way, any individual can participate in the network by downloading a partial or total copy of the block chain and acting according to the previously established consensus rules.

Without Borders
It is no longer about nation states as intermediaries of trust, it is a "redcentric" trust -according to the term coined by Andreas Antonopoulos, author and guru of Bitcoin and blockchain-, that is, based on computing, on software code , in the accuracy of mathematics. Without intermediaries, the network is the trusted part per se.

Transnational
The network works distributed in different geographical locations around the world in nodes that run an exact replica of the chain of blocks, thus preserving, the same state unanimously, the same truth that can not be modified arbitrarily by any of the nodes without there being a generalized consensus.

Neutral
It does not serve the purposes of any State, organization or institution. Each member of the network - called a node - follows the rules of consensus neutrally and, if not followed, is simply expelled. It does not matter who is the sender or receiver of the transaction, nor the value or the data that is being transmitted. In other words, it is a non-discriminatory network.

For a system to be open, without borders, transnational and neutral, it must defend these characteristics of any actor that intends to censor, freeze, modify, revoke and restrict transactions, or prevent the participation of users or countries.



Does Petro meet any of the characteristics mentioned above?

The answer can easily be inferred by the reader.

The value of the Petro is zero
From my point of view, the value is zero Petro considering that is backed by natural resources -even without explotar- of Venezuela, which means that the value you have this cryptocurrency absolutely depends on confidence in the Venezuelan government the which historically has given clear signs of uncertainty and of not honestly fulfilling its creditors.

Who trusts the Venezuelan government?
A cryptocurrency in the hands of a totalitarian and corrupt government is a perverse tool of social control. The government would have the ability to track and confiscate the funds with a "click", an attribution that could be used to persecute and extort opponents and dissidents.

The reaction of both the media and the investors, in general, has been negative for two main reasons:

His white paper demonstrates a lack of knowledge of blockchain technology. It is not entirely clear in which chain of blocks Petro will operate, whether in Ethereum or in NEM, among other confusing technical aspects.
The Venezuelan government has not fully complied with the economic obligations acquired with its creditors.
On the other hand, I believe that the fundamental and real reason why the Venezuelan government has launched such a crazy adventure is its urgent need to overcome the international credit blockade to which it is subject. In order to cover its excessive public spending, the government requires liquidity - which it does not have - despite having abused the issuance of bolivars to cover its fiscal deficit. The direct consequence of this uncontrolled monetary issue is hyperinflation and the aggressive loss of the purchasing power of its population.

Would you entrust your money to a government that has shown total irresponsibility and negligence in the administration of public resources?
For some years now, Venezuela has been going through a deep economic, humanitarian, political and institutional crisis that has forced more than four million Venezuelans to flee their country in search of a better future.


https://www.academiablockchain.com/2018/07/10/que-podemos-aprender-sobre-el-petro/
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They have the advantage of being able to do whatever the heck they want, there is no globally distributed ledger to carefully coordinate between remote partners in mixed time zones and multiple languages.

You're being sarcastic right? That's exactly what a blockchain is for.

They can just scrap whatever went wrong and just pull another rabbit out the hat and tell people to just use that blockchain instead, same difference.  

I'm not sure that would sit well with everybody who has been planning to use it as a NEM token over the last 6 months.

The petro was a prime example of throwing a blockchain at a problem and hoping for the best. However, instead of just being some fanciful, pie-in-the-sky idea, this directly effects the livelihood of millions of people, for the worse. The moment this thing stops being smoke-and-mirrors is the moment I'll stop trashing it.
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Since it was all centrally controlled anyway does it even matter at this point.   They have the advantage of being able to do whatever the heck they want, there is no globally distributed ledger to carefully coordinate between remote partners in mixed time zones and multiple languages.
They can just scrap whatever went wrong and just pull another rabbit out the hat and tell people to just use that blockchain instead, same difference.  Cant be too surprised your average top down government setup is slightly mystified by any system which would have value determined in any other way.
BTC is a system of inventing work as a means of security distributed, the completely normal thing to do is take the short cut like ripple does or whoever else.   From a unilateral point of view it makes sense, I'm still thinking it could be more or develop but not if its not live as such  Undecided
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It is the Petro, it is the Venezuelan regime (not the country of Venezuela, nor the great majority of Venezuelans), the one that believes that the petro is a cryptocurrency is that it does not have its feet on the ground. The petro is a deception more towards the Venezuelan population, and a scam for the very few naive

I am keeping an eye on it when it comes to trading the coin, then we will see, what the interest is in this  Wink

it's gonna be a while. still hasn't been distributed to anybody. I'm starting to think whoever controls the address the petro is sitting in has lost the private key.

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It is the Petro, it is the Venezuelan regime (not the country of Venezuela, nor the great majority of Venezuelans), the one that believes that the petro is a cryptocurrency is that it does not have its feet on the ground. The petro is a deception more towards the Venezuelan population, and a scam for the very few naive


I am keeping an eye on it when it comes to trading the coin, then we will see, what the interest is in this  Wink
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It is the Petro, it is the Venezuelan regime (not the country of Venezuela, nor the great majority of Venezuelans), the one that believes that the petro is a cryptocurrency is that it does not have its feet on the ground. The petro is a deception more towards the Venezuelan population, and a scam for the very few naive

I am keeping an eye on it when it comes to trading the coin, then we will see, what the interest is in this  Wink
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It is the Petro, it is the Venezuelan regime (not the country of Venezuela, nor the great majority of Venezuelans), the one that believes that the petro is a cryptocurrency is that it does not have its feet on the ground. The petro is a deception more towards the Venezuelan population, and a scam for the very few naive
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Now we are getting into politics Grin



It's always been about politics.
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Now we are getting into politics Grin
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Lol another venezuelan government kamikaze. with his conspiracy crazy theories :p at least they make this thread funny to read :p i will like to know how the democratic kill maduro s predecessor :p he had cancer.
Pliz enlight us
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"This one laughs, who laughs last" - that is saying in my country.

I dont love Socialists (like Maduro), but i hate imperialists much more (especially USA  et consortes).
So i hope that PETRO will show in the longterm basis huge "f..k sign" to all of Your (ennemies of PETRO) beloved "democratic" governments.
It's possible, very hard, needs some time and effort, but is possible, that PETRO will succed. Even if Your governmental gods (in reality puppets of freemasons) will kill Maduro - like they did with his predecessor. I hope they (puppets and freemasons) will not get Venezuela for free, to eat this country and use peoples like slaves in their deceitful system (much more than socialism).
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Who has already installed one of the 6 existing wallets?

http://www.elpetro.gob.ve/download.html

Could you transfer your Petros smoothly by using one of them?


Um.... Did you bother to read any of the comments in this thread before posting here?

Not a SINGLE petro has been distributed to ANYBODY!

This is a huge scam!

People like coinve, besides the steady paycheck, what reason could you possibly have for promoting this evil piece of garbage? Your president just totally fucked all of his citizens! And here you were defending him for MONTHS!!

The petro has a value of ZERO. Its not being traded anywhere because it in essence doesn't exist! Frankly the only way Maduro has out of this blunder is his mysterious disappearance.

To make matters worse, the "strong bolivar" is already being traded at a 40% discount in Venezuela's black markets, less than a week after its creation:

"Adding to Venezuela’s problems, shoppers also need to calculate the prices of goods at black market exchange rates. The sovereign bolivar, according to official exchange rates, is set at 60 per dollar thanks to the Petro, but on the black market the currency is reportedly going for 40% less"

http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2018/08/venezuela-totally-paralyzed-by-launch-of-sovereign-bolivar-currency/

Maduro just reduced the value of his national currency from near zero to zero. What a shitshow!
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what is the bonus right now?
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Who has already installed one of the 6 existing wallets?

http://www.elpetro.gob.ve/download.html

Could you transfer your Petros smoothly by using one of them?
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Anyone who thought that the petro was going to provide him with benefits ....... or was cheated or is idiot.
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The world always has its% of imbeciles.

And at this point they come to ask about the petro. When it was a scam since its inception, anyone with two fingers of forehead and a little bit of culture and intelligence already knew.

But that% ......., that ignorance about the Venezuelan regime!
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