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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 17, 2024, 07:58:51 AM

Jackson is still not good enough. I don't think he should be their main striker because of that. Sad

We have only jackson as the best striker in Chelsea as for now.

Again, Cole Palmer is not considered Huh

He is also the best striker that Chelsea currently has, he even contributed the most last season compared to Jackson.
Check the statistics below:

Nicolas Jackson

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In my opinion, both of them are the best strikers Chelsea have at the moment so they don't need to recruit another striker because they already have it would just be a waste of their money so Chelsea just need to believe in these two players to be on the front line, they have to be able to work together and maintain their good performance next season.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2024, 06:10:35 PM

Arsenal have been trying hard for the last a few years to get that championship finally. They have fought hard for a long time but failed in the last moments all the time. Arteta is a great manager and he is pushing the potential of his team to its limit. It isn't an easy task to defeat Guardiola's team for a Premier League trophy. But it isn't an impossible task at the same time. I think we are going to watch a competitive Arsenal once again next season.

I’m recent years, we’ve seen that Arsenal have been on the course to win the EPL title. If how far they have shown their capabilities, I just want them to win and win big this season. Arteta and Edu should bring in quality signings so they can mount a proper assault on the EPL title.They know for sure that they need signings. Manchester City have a lot of experienced players and it has an impact on their mentality when it comes to winning titles. Arsenal are few players away from reaching the level they want. They will work and get things done but I’m not positive we will start the season well because the planning doesn’t look good. They will be going into pre-season. Players like bukayo Saka and Declan Rice will most likely not be at the top level when the season starts. Winger and Midfielder are key areas they need to strengthen and this was a known fact.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 19, 2024, 05:41:00 PM

Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I

I just watched the highlight, but i don't like the way liverpool played in this game. Liverpool wasn't looked decent in this game. I saw in terms of combinations for attack, and liverpool played a different'y under Arne Slot. I saw Liverpool play a possession style. This was different from the more vertical style that Klopp played. Liverpool had fewer counter attacks. This is unlike when they were still managed by Klopp. It seems liverpool has been leaving from Klopp's philosophy. They played more short passes. Their attack was more central.

In sum, I don't like Slot's ball focusing more on short passes. I think Slot made Liverpool lose its special ability. Now, the team focuses more on the short pass instead of direct counter attack. This is because of that, Liverpool loses its power.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 19, 2024, 05:41:00 PM

Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I know it's still too early to say so I still have my fingers crossed for Liverpool's performance when the premier league officially kicks off next month. Just surprised that nobody talked about it on this thread. Maybe because it was played behind closed doors?

I know this is just a friendly match, just for practice and a test event, with 25 players playing, to get playing time. It's just that losing to Preston North End is something that... ummm, I'm even very unfamiliar with this name. But indeed, the players don't seem to be that serious about playing it, just as practice and testing tactics.

Just this is Arne Slot's debut with Liverpool this season. It's funny. Yes, of course there are many things that slots note from this, apart from how the squad looks in the match, which definitely doesn't show off their most skills.

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Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I know it's still too early to say so I still have my fingers crossed for Liverpool's performance when the premier league officially kicks off next month. Just surprised that nobody talked about it on this thread. Maybe because it was played behind closed doors?

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

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But I think Manchester United and Chelsea are two elite teams that are still equally difficult to get good results, so I can't distinguish the success of these two teams in recent seasons. After all, if for example Manchester United failed to win the FA Cup trophy too, the reality is that Chelsea managed to get a Europa League ticket. But yes, because Manchester United managed to get the FA Cup trophy by beating Manchester City, then Manchester United won the Europa League ticket next season.

But anyway, I think Chelsea and Manchester United are also still both building teams with their young squad. And thus, then of course they still need a long process to get good results with a young squad and new ownership. But unfortunately, Chelsea is very too hasty in buying players and also firing coaches and thus, it will still be difficult for them to get the results as expected.

I understand your view, and I agree with you. The truth remains that both Manchester United and Chelsea are in transition phases with young squads, thus consistency in performance may be a challenge. Despite Manchester United's success in winning the FA Cup trophy and securing a Europa League spot by defeating Manchester City, Chelsea also ensured their participation in the Europa League. This situation calls for deeper consideration and analysis beyond the surface.

But Chelsea's impatience with player purchases and coach firings could stymie their team-building efforts. Both squads are young, still finding their feet, as is the case with new ownerships. However both teams have yet to discover their potential although what they might aspire to is stability and success in future.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 19, 2024, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

Any one who understands football really well will see a huge lash sacking Pochettino at that moment even if he never had quite a wonderful season as expected but it was just a season and majority felt he needed more time than he got and no doubt he would have took the team to more success. Still unknown how Enzo might perform, we hope the best for him that he succeeds because any unsuccessful trait from him will end him same way as Pochettino.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 19, 2024, 08:51:53 AM

Pochettino had a really good relationship with Palmer indeed. Palmer thanked him for the opportunity by making a huge contribution.

I can't believe how Southgate didn't select Palmer for the starting 11 during Euro 2024 even for once... Sad

Now Enzo Maresca has taken over at Chelsea so I hope he continues to do his best for the development of the young players just as Pochettino did.

I don't think I've heard any player fighting with Mauricio Pochetino even from way back his days with Tottenham Hotspur. Cole Palmer was great, and all he cared about was scoring goals and playing cool football.

Some coaches are like that, I don't want to say more about Gareth Southgate. He has never been that manager they think he is or would be. It's a good thing to see that he finally resigned. That's the perfect call to make. They had a good squad but they parked the bus against countries they could have obviously attacked and choked them up.

We don't know much about Enzo Maresca. All I know is that he won the championship for Leicester City last season, but then, the Premier League Competition is much different. Something Chelsea didn't give Mauricio Pochetino was freedom and time. Hopefully, this would be a much different case scenario.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

But, the owner is some rich American, of course he doesn't understand how it works. In their world, they could spend money to some sign stars at Free Agency and then be a good team, so he looks at how much players at America makes, and how much they are spending on transfers here, and he thinks that they should have some awesome team.

In football that is not how it works at all, that is why I prefer INEOS approach, they are spending more clearly and cleverly now, and that means that we are going to see United do much better than Chelsea. Both were taken over by their owners around the same time give or take, but United has done better because they know it will take some time, so they focus on great young players that have good potential to help them on the long run to gradually become better.

But I think Manchester United and Chelsea are two elite teams that are still equally difficult to get good results, so I can't distinguish the success of these two teams in recent seasons. After all, if for example Manchester United failed to win the FA Cup trophy too, the reality is that Chelsea managed to get a Europa League ticket. But yes, because Manchester United managed to get the FA Cup trophy by beating Manchester City, then Manchester United won the Europa League ticket next season.

But anyway, I think Chelsea and Manchester United are also still both building teams with their young squad. And thus, then of course they still need a long process to get good results with a young squad and new ownership. But unfortunately, Chelsea is very too hasty in buying players and also firing coaches and thus, it will still be difficult for them to get the results as expected.

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Pochettino has struggled with injuries to key Chelsea players for much of the season, But his people management and tactical skills were proven through the team's strong end-of-season finish. And a late revival cannot save Pochettino's hot seat. Despite finishing in sixth place.

I'm not sure if he had a problem with the club that caused him to leave or the management to fire him, but I always think they're wrong to make such decisions. Pochettino rebuilt these players, which was not an easy task, he built them in one season, and we see the changes in their games at the end of the season. If they hadn't finished in the sixth position, I would have believed they made the right decision to fire him. I think Pochettino deserves much from the club.

From the time Chelsea started experiencing all this problem and they started changing their coaches until they got Pochettino instead they should leave him they fired him and I think Pochettino is the best coach they bring him since that time I always imagine why they did not leave him for some time to change the club more than he did for just small time he spent managing the club I don’t think Chelsea will do that anytime soon because Pochettino started bring good results for them.

But they later fire him at the end of the day, which is what they were not supposed to do. The manager really tried, but now that they brought him in, they need to start another strategy of play again, and their performance will go back again. It will not be the Pochettino who leaves them definitively because the new manager will bring in new methods of how he plays his matches, which is another problem for the Chelsea squad.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 19, 2024, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

Pochettino dismissal raises a lot of questions after he was gradually able to bring Chelsea on the right track at the end of last season, from several issues circulating, actually Pochettino dismissal was not related to Chelsea performance at the end season, but reportedly the dismissal was none other than because Pochettino desire to determine the player he would recruit, but Todd Boehly actually refused to comply with Pochettino equest and finally fired Pochettino on the grounds failed to bring Chelsea to the Champions League zone, so far I see that Todd Boehly has more monopoly on player recruitment and that makes the coach can only accept every decision of what Todd Boehly is doing at the moment, but on the other hand, I see what Todd Boehly is doing at the moment is very extraordinary to prioritize recruit young players to their squad now, But as you say, by recruiting and developing young players, Todd Boehly should be able to be more patient and also give plenty of time for Enzo Maresca to develop the Chelsea squad in the future.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 17, 2024, 09:24:45 PM

It is indeed hard to find any such area in a successful and scoring team like Liverpool. Coaches will often have their players evaluated in scrimmages or other contests, taking measure of potential weaknesses that might not be so glaring as others.

That being said, while Liverpool front three is packed with firepower and it has quality in midfield as well when coached to be efficient its backline might even leave space for some nuances of gameplay or tactical adjustments or sufficient squad depth on certain positions through the year. This "winning" team must in a state of constant equilibrium- evaluation and adaptation - to keep the good parts stronger, making sure that their weaknesses are at least turned into neutral play or deployed like tactical time bombs.

Well on the way that even though they look strong together, there are still development and planning until eternity.

There's no doubt about it. In fact, I've thought that this team would have to use a formation like Madrid's, where there are 4 defenders, 3 in recovery and 3 in midfield, and of those 3, 1 attacker always escapes and that attacker can rotate with the other two who are in midfield. For me that makes the other team uncontrolled and that's already a plus. In fact, it's a way that I do it at least when I play PS and it has worked for me, but real life is different and few teams use a formation like that. However, I would like to see Luis Diaz and a striker like Mo Salah attacking on one side. I think that combination is very dangerous.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

I started to believe I’m Pochettihnho’s process towards the end of last season when he was able to beat some big teams to secure the Europa League slot before Manchester United won FA cup to send back to the UEFA Conference league; for him to come from the bottom ten of the Premier League table to top ten, he is capable of making the team perform better in the next coming season.

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But, the owner is some rich American, of course he doesn't understand how it works. In their world, they could spend money to some sign stars at Free Agency and then be a good team, so he looks at how much players at America makes, and how much they are spending on transfers here, and he thinks that they should have some awesome team.

He wanted a quick return of investment which was why he is rushing everything including their mode of signings. Chelsea sign so many players with huge amount of money, and the owner want a return or a better performance from the team since it is an expensive team that have been heavily invested in, and as such, they were sacking their coaches thinking they are not competent which is wrong in my opinion. The management should give this new manager some time to get balance for the team, but if they sack him after his first season, I think the team problem will not end soon.

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Chelsea do honestly want to win as many titles they can possibly lay their hands on, that is the reason they consistently choose to change managers untill they get that result but only that the approach is not appropriate to secure for them those titles they hoped for due to neglecting that a progressive stable change doesn't just happen in a team during one season, it requires about two to then decide, but Chelsea has been too quick to sacking their coaches even when there comes signs of improvement.

Obviously they want to do that, but a lot of factors have changed in recent years. When Abramowitch started pumping money into the club, I would say that the Premier League wasn't as competitive as it is now. It was always highly competitive of course, but with recovered Liverpool and superior Manchester City, two teams have become incredibly strong over the last five to seven years.

Still though given the money that has been spent on new players for a while now, the results they were able to achieve are clearly insufficient. This is by far not enough despite the fact that there are so many strong teams.

But I am looking forward to seeing what they will be able to do in the upcoming season. It won't get any easier for them though.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 19, 2024, 10:07:21 AM

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I think that's just an excuse for the club owner so they can fire him, basically Mauricio Pochettino was fired because he failed to meet the targets that Chelsea wanted. Every coach who fails to meet the targets will definitely be fired and Chelsea has always done that in the last few seasons and didn't give the coach a second chance.
And if Enzo Maresca also fails to meet the targets that Chelsea wants next season, in the end he will also be fired like Pochettino. I just hope that Chelsea management always thinks carefully before making a decision because it will have an impact on the club. Every coach has his own way and they too takes time to adapt.

In my opinion, changing too many coaches in a very short time is also a problem for a club. The reason is that in a short time the coach has just started his journey because they also need time to make everything good. In a short time there is nothing a coach can do, unless they are very lucky at the same time so they can make a significant change. I myself rarely see coaches being successful in their first season, they will only show the truth in their second season. So Chelsea must start giving second chances to their coaches.

Whoever comes to be Chelsea coach and the management sets high targets, I think all coaches will fail. Because they have to build a foundation first and get to know each player's character. Not to mention the pressure they get will affect their performance. Chelsea should see a club succeed after giving their coach a second chance, except after they have given him many chances but nothing has changed, they can sack him.

A careful look at how Chelsea have been performing since their new owner Todd Boehly took over over the club will simply reveal that one of the major problems of the club is that they've refused to be patient with their managers. Hiring and firing managers when they fail to deliver exactly what you want isn't a good way to build a team and the earlier Chelsea management learns to stick with their managers and support them when they're not getting the best of results the better for them as a club.
Mauricio Pochentino last season did not a win any trophy with the club but we all can attest to the fact that he tried by improving Chelsea from what we've seen in the last three seasons. I wasn't expecting him to be sacked but the club management had another plan and have now replaced him with Enzo Maresca. Enzo Maresca might easily kick the ground running or might not but Chelsea should at least allow him stay beyond a season before parting ways with him

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Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

But, the owner is some rich American, of course he doesn't understand how it works. In their world, they could spend money to some sign stars at Free Agency and then be a good team, so he looks at how much players at America makes, and how much they are spending on transfers here, and he thinks that they should have some awesome team.

In football that is not how it works at all, that is why I prefer INEOS approach, they are spending more clearly and cleverly now, and that means that we are going to see United do much better than Chelsea. Both were taken over by their owners around the same time give or take, but United has done better because they know it will take some time, so they focus on great young players that have good potential to help them on the long run to gradually become better.

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Quote from: klidex on July 18, 2024, 11:07:17 PM

I think that's just an excuse for the club owner so they can fire him, basically Mauricio Pochettino was fired because he failed to meet the targets that Chelsea wanted. Every coach who fails to meet the targets will definitely be fired and Chelsea has always done that in the last few seasons and didn't give the coach a second chance.
And if Enzo Maresca also fails to meet the targets that Chelsea wants next season, in the end he will also be fired like Pochettino. I just hope that Chelsea management always thinks carefully before making a decision because it will have an impact on the club. Every coach has his own way and they too takes time to adapt.

In my opinion, changing too many coaches in a very short time is also a problem for a club. The reason is that in a short time the coach has just started his journey because they also need time to make everything good. In a short time there is nothing a coach can do, unless they are very lucky at the same time so they can make a significant change. I myself rarely see coaches being successful in their first season, they will only show the truth in their second season. So Chelsea must start giving second chances to their coaches.

Whoever comes to be Chelsea coach and the management sets high targets, I think all coaches will fail. Because they have to build a foundation first and get to know each player's character. Not to mention the pressure they get will affect their performance. Chelsea should see a club succeed after giving their coach a second chance, except after they have given him many chances but nothing has changed, they can sack him.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 17, 2024, 05:02:23 PM

He was given a much free role to play for Chelsea last season and he didn't disappoint honestly.. I think Mauricio Pochetino finally built around Cole Palmer which brought bout the best of him last season for Chelsea as he also contributed to the goal tally they have Last season. We will see, he reminds me of Juan Mata hopefully he stays longer for Chelsea.

Pochettino had a really good relationship with Palmer indeed. Palmer thanked him for the opportunity by making a huge contribution.

I can't believe how Southgate didn't select Palmer for the starting 11 during Euro 2024 even for once... Sad

Now Enzo Maresca has taken over at Chelsea so I hope he continues to do his best for the development of the young players just as Pochettino did.

Quote from: X-ray on July 17, 2024, 10:47:30 PM

We have only jackson as the best striker in Chelsea as for now. Though Chelsea has some strikers (Broja & Nkuku) other than him, I think Jackson is still the best choice now.

About Nkuku & Broja, it's very hard to recommend 'em to take the lead as a striker in the starting line-up. Their performances is always up and down, and compared to the Jackson, they ain't nothin'. Although people was strongly critizing Jackson with his poor performance.

Jackson actually has potential, he is still very young. I know there are much better strikers at the same age but those aren't very common to see either. He can get better in time hopefully. Broja has no future at Chelsea. That's obvious. As for Nkunku he might have a good future if he doesn't get injured often from now on.

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Quote from: klidex on July 18, 2024, 11:07:17 PM

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Even Mauricio Pochettino, I think he deserves to get a second chance. Sure, each manager who shows a good progress, he deserves to continue his career in the club. I just hope Enzo Maresca will be the manager in Chelsea until the end of his contract (2029).

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It is better the manager gets sacked then when they're not in good terms with the club owners and it looks like that was what was about to happen between the Chelsea boss and Mauricio pochettino as they wey beginning to have some disagreement that if it builds up, it will affect the players at the club. Having a new manager that works with the version of the club is what is best for the football and I think Enzo Maresca is going to bring alot of success to Chelsea. He is a good manager and has the opportunity before him to make a name for himself and he will not miss use the opportunity.

I think that's just an excuse for the club owner so they can fire him, basically Mauricio Pochettino was fired because he failed to meet the targets that Chelsea wanted. Every coach who fails to meet the targets will definitely be fired and Chelsea has always done that in the last few seasons and didn't give the coach a second chance.
And if Enzo Maresca also fails to meet the targets that Chelsea wants next season, in the end he will also be fired like Pochettino. I just hope that Chelsea management always thinks carefully before making a decision because it will have an impact on the club. Every coach has his own way and they too takes time to adapt.

It seems that the owner is looking more at the targets that must be achieved than at the developmental progress that the coach can bring. At first, Chelsea experienced a slump that many people even thought they could no longer recover from but, towards the end of the season, Mauricio Pochettino seems to have found the right rhythm, and that makes Chelsea's appearance even more impressive. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to convince the board and they preferred to close the story.

However, if only the board still entrusted Pochettino with carrying out his duties. I think Chelsea can have high hopes for the next season because the chemistry between Pochettino and his players is already clicking.

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