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Quote from: Helena Yu on September 27, 2024, 06:33:14 AM

I don't know why Manchester United is underestimated in this match, Tottenham mostly win because they play in their home, according to head to head, when the match held in Old Trafford, the results either Manchester United won or draw.

Both of the teams didn't lose their important players, so I predict Manchester United will win.

Although they were lose against FC Twente, but we should judge their performance in Premier League.

It is normal to see many people underestimate Man United because it is a fact that their performance is not good so far in EPL (both teams have the same result with 2W 1D 2L) but Spurs is better in scoring goals compared to United.
The odds for United shows that they are not that favorite in the game, it will be a tough and balanced game IMO and maybe the game will end in a draw.
If you are going to bet, it is better to avoid 1x2 market because it is hard game to predict due to the incosistency of both teams since the season started.
But if you are so sure that Man United will win, the odds is quite tempting to skip so you can bet on them as long as you are ready for the worse case.

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Quote from: mammusu on September 27, 2024, 05:00:38 AM

In addition to the match between Newcastle vs Manchester City, of course the Manchester United vs Tottenham match will be another bigmatch that we should look forward to, so far the two teams have had a season with inconsistencies that make them currently in the 7th and 8th in the Premier League standings, in terms of team quality, of course, the Red Devils are still better than Tottenham Hotspurs but in terms of performance and also sharpness it is clear that Lilywhite is still very good, After getting a draw from Crystal Palace in the previous match they are still continuing the negative trend when facing Twente in the Europa League and it clearly shows that Ten Hag has not been able to improve the problems that exist at Manchester United at the moment, so I think it is very likely that Tottenham will destroy them at Old Trafford later, currently both teams have only get 7 points from 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 lost, So that it shows a balanced performance between the two, but if you look at the number of goals scored by the two teams at the moment, then it can be said that Tottenham is still superior to the Red Devils.

My prediction Manchester United 1 vs 2 Tottenham Hotspur

I don't know why Manchester United is underestimated in this match, Tottenham mostly win because they play in their home, according to head to head, when the match held in Old Trafford, the results either Manchester United won or draw.

Both of the teams didn't lose their important players, so I predict Manchester United will win.

Although they were lose against FC Twente, but we should judge their performance in Premier League.

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I mean when you look at the league, the difference isn't that big yet. City is at 13 points, Arsenal is at 11 points, that is the difference between them, just two points. Liverpool is at 12 and interestingly Villa is at 12 points as well which is something I did not expected but I also do not expect them to stay there. They have been good for a while, and I think a fourth place would be a bit more realistic for villa.

Arsenal on the other hand, is still very close, I know it's early in the season, but just because they are behind doesn't mean they are doing badly, just one loss from City and same week one win from Arsenal means they would be ahead, so it is not really that bad. Liverpool with the manager change still being high is great though.

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Quote from: mamesso on September 27, 2024, 02:57:14 AM

This weekend, Manchester United will host Tottenham at Old Trafford. Both teams have started the 2024/2025 season poorly, both only managing to collect 7 points from 5 matches. Ten Hag must resolve the problems that have occurred in his team ahead of this big match, especially in the front line which has had difficulty scoring goals in the last two matches. Despite having a good head-to-head record against Tottenham, Manchester United hopes of ending their disappointing run of form will not be easy as Tottenham come to Old Trafford highly motivated after their 3-0 win over Qarabag in the EUL.

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In addition to the match between Newcastle vs Manchester City, of course the Manchester United vs Tottenham match will be another bigmatch that we should look forward to, so far the two teams have had a season with inconsistencies that make them currently in the 7th and 8th in the Premier League standings, in terms of team quality, of course, the Red Devils are still better than Tottenham Hotspurs but in terms of performance and also sharpness it is clear that Lilywhite is still very good, After getting a draw from Crystal Palace in the previous match they are still continuing the negative trend when facing Twente in the Europa League and it clearly shows that Ten Hag has not been able to improve the problems that exist at Manchester United at the moment, so I think it is very likely that Tottenham will destroy them at Old Trafford later, currently both teams have only get 7 points from 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 lost, So that it shows a balanced performance between the two, but if you look at the number of goals scored by the two teams at the moment, then it can be said that Tottenham is still superior to the Red Devils.

My prediction Manchester United 1 vs 2 Tottenham Hotspur

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 26, 2024, 06:59:21 PM

What do you mean by a 3rd team joining the race for the league title. Arsenal are already up there with Manchester City as the most consistent team in the EPL. So if you’re talking about 3rd place, Arsenal shouldn’t be in that group. Arsenal have been the only team competing against Manchester City for the league in the last two seasons. We saw how City struggled against Arsenal’s 10 man squad during the weekend, Arteta has proved to be a great rival for Guardiola.

Maybe Liverpool or Chelsea can be considered for third place this season.

They must be meaning another team to join the title competition other than Arsenal and Manchester City. Not the team to finish at the third position.

When it comes to this topic, Liverpool have been doing well with Arne Slot so far. I was having doubts about him, I won't lie. Tongue

Because he didn't have a very impressive career before. But so far so good... If we see consistency during the most part of the season then why not? About Chelsea, I can't be sure. Enzo Maresca has started to do really good recently. But we are still talking about a team that have struggled a lot for years. It is early to be sure. Sad

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Quote from: len01 on September 26, 2024, 04:47:31 PM

I understand how disappointed you are right now seeing Man United's slump. But believe me, a beautiful day will come soon and I am very sure that this season will be the last season for Man United to get bad and in the coming season, MU will get better results. Wink

Regarding Maguire, it is actually time for MU to find a replacement to get young players who are more productive and more aggressive to contribute to the team.

Why be disappointed too far because in the end when talking about Manchester United's slump this is not the first time so why feel disappointed because every season is always the same lol.

Manchester United's defense has also been very good in terms of planning because they made some pretty good transfers there but it didn't work out very well. Yoro who was projected to be a defensive player this season in fact did not live up to expectations because he had to rest for several months due to an injury received. De Ligt has also arrived for the center-back position so actually the plan was quite well done and Maguire was not really needed but when unexpected things like Yoro's injury and player rotation because Manchester United has several other competitions especially the price of Maguire is also too over until now makes him stay at Old Trafford.

So as long as the situation does not change Maguire will remain at Manchester United especially since his contract also expires at the end of this season which allows him to leave on a free transfer.

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Quote from: mamesso on September 27, 2024, 02:57:14 AM

This weekend, Manchester United will host Tottenham at Old Trafford. Both teams have started the 2024/2025 season poorly, both only managing to collect 7 points from 5 matches. Ten Hag must resolve the problems that have occurred in his team ahead of this big match, especially in the front line which has had difficulty scoring goals in the last two matches. Despite having a good head-to-head record against Tottenham, Manchester United hopes of ending their disappointing run of form will not be easy as Tottenham come to Old Trafford highly motivated after their 3-0 win over Qarabag in the EUL.

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As it stands, it's hard to tell which team is better between Manchester united and Tottenham because both managers lack proper game plan and tactics which make them to be equal. Defensively, Tottenham is very poor that any clinical striker would easily outsmart them but sadly, Manchester united attack is nothing to write home about and I don't see them out playing Tottenham shamble defense. Generally, Tottenham seems to play better than United from the recent match of two teams in Europa league considering the fact that Tottenham played with a man down and still managed to win. On the other hand, united also did not play too badly but they couldn't win. A draw result from this match will be much anticipated.

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This weekend, Manchester United will host Tottenham at Old Trafford. Both teams have started the 2024/2025 season poorly, both only managing to collect 7 points from 5 matches. Ten Hag must resolve the problems that have occurred in his team ahead of this big match, especially in the front line which has had difficulty scoring goals in the last two matches. Despite having a good head-to-head record against Tottenham, Manchester United hopes of ending their disappointing run of form will not be easy as Tottenham come to Old Trafford highly motivated after their 3-0 win over Qarabag in the EUL.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 26, 2024, 06:59:21 PM

Quote from: CLS63 on September 26, 2024, 04:59:21 PM

It is really not easy to overthrow Manchester City from their championship streak in the Premier League. Arsenal have looked like the only team to do it in the recent years. But their main problem has been their being incapable of having a good run on the last weeks of a season. They lost their title chance twice because of that.

This season I wonder whether there will be a 3rd team joining this race. Maybe Liverpool or Arsenal. What is your opinion on the topic? Huh

What do you mean by a 3rd team joining the race for the league title. Arsenal are already up there with Manchester City as the most consistent team in the EPL. So if you’re talking about 3rd place, Arsenal shouldn’t be in that group. Arsenal have been the only team competing against Manchester City for the league in the last two seasons. We saw how City struggled against Arsenal’s 10 man squad during the weekend, Arteta has proved to be a great rival for Guardiola.

Maybe Liverpool or Chelsea can be considered for third place this season.

Yes, Arsenal is a strong competitor of Manchester City in the last 2 seasons until entering the 3rd season now, maybe what @CLS63 meant is the 3rd club that is likely to hinder Manchester City's path in the title hunt like Liverpool last season so there will be 3 main competitors who will fight to appear consistently until the end and determine their victory at the end of the season, but for now it is not certain because the standings are still changing for the top 3 teams while being occupied by Manchester City, Liverpool and Aston Villa, Arsenal has been shifted to 4th place, the competition is still very fierce and we don't know which club will be worthy of occupying first or second place if they haven't played many matches at least until the middle of the season.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 26, 2024, 04:59:21 PM

This season I wonder whether there will be a 3rd team joining this race. Maybe Liverpool or Arsenal. What is your opinion on the topic? Huh

Liverpool still remains the 3rd team to join in the title race. They're still very consistent, despite a new coach after their old one retired. But there was no significant change happening to their performance, under their new coach. They still performed as well as last season when they competed with City and Arsenal for the title race.

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Quote from: len01 on September 26, 2024, 04:47:31 PM

I understand how disappointed you are right now seeing Man United's slump. But believe me, a beautiful day will come soon and I am very sure that this season will be the last season for Man United to get bad and in the coming season, MU will get better results. Wink

Regarding Maguire, it is actually time for MU to find a replacement to get young players who are more productive and more aggressive to contribute to the team.

BTW, regarding the upcoming match, it is likely that betting on over 3.5 is my choice with odds @2.06.

Well, I have patience but I will not tolerate another bad season same way they did last season finishing below top four clubs in the Premier League Competition. Well, if Manchester United can not dominate now when Pep Guardiola is in charge, then there's nothing great about it. Did you see the way Liverpool did seasons ago against them? They've got Leny Yoro as back up player and plans to get in Jared Branthwaite still in place. I never liked Harry Maguire as a Manchester United defender from day one, too sluggish and a defender without pace is no different from an attacker that doesn't score and assist. Over 3.5? That's way brave of you, let's see then, interesting weekend ahead.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on September 26, 2024, 11:50:25 AM

I won't say Tottenham can defeat Manchester United but if Tottenham wins the game it should not be a surprise to us because we all know that Manchester United is not a team that people can trust and believe that they will win the game, Manchester united performance both premier league and Europa league is so bad, Manchester united last game against Fc twente was very poor because Manchester united can not defeat that small team and win the game to get 3 points.

Looking at the head to head of both teams, Manchester united has won more than Tottenham but considering how Manchester united has been underperforming it won't be surprising if Tottenham wins them on sunday though the both teams are in similar form because Tottenham has only won 2 out of the 5 premier league matches they've played, same with Manchester united and they are 10th and 11th position in the league table respectively and have 7 points each so the strength of the both teams seems equal and they might end the match in a draw. The Europa league games should not be compared with domestic league games because for the fact that Tottenham won their match against Qarabag and Manchester united played draw against Twente doesn't mean Tottenham is a better side.

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I think the next match versus Newcastle, Manchester City will play all out to return their draw last week. As we know, the previous match it really frustrates them to get the winning with a parking bus strategy arsenal. They are not have a problem to carry out newcastle on their home because when we look head to head on previous session, Manc City just win all the matches. But we don't know how their performance without Rodry because he was get the injury in the previous match. he is a manc city core player as an anchor to supply the ball from back to attacker. so Rodry position is likely to be filled by another player which means Pep will implementing a new scheme to cover the gap.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 26, 2024, 04:59:21 PM

It is really not easy to overthrow Manchester City from their championship streak in the Premier League. Arsenal have looked like the only team to do it in the recent years. But their main problem has been their being incapable of having a good run on the last weeks of a season. They lost their title chance twice because of that.

This season I wonder whether there will be a 3rd team joining this race. Maybe Liverpool or Arsenal. What is your opinion on the topic? Huh

What do you mean by a 3rd team joining the race for the league title. Arsenal are already up there with Manchester City as the most consistent team in the EPL. So if you’re talking about 3rd place, Arsenal shouldn’t be in that group. Arsenal have been the only team competing against Manchester City for the league in the last two seasons. We saw how City struggled against Arsenal’s 10 man squad during the weekend, Arteta has proved to be a great rival for Guardiola.

Maybe Liverpool or Chelsea can be considered for third place this season.

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It is really not easy to overthrow Manchester City from their championship streak in the Premier League. Arsenal have looked like the only team to do it in the recent years. But their main problem has been their being incapable of having a good run on the last weeks of a season. They lost their title chance twice because of that.

This season I wonder whether there will be a 3rd team joining this race. Maybe Liverpool or Chelsea. What is your opinion on the topic? Huh

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 26, 2024, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on September 26, 2024, 06:49:46 AM

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I have nothing to say about Erik Ten Hag no more, I'm gradually becoming tired like every other Manchester United fan who wants quick change because Manchester United has been known to be a very good side over the years truthfully.
Odds are not used to decide games you should have known better, we'll see how Tottenham Hotspur does tonight then, we can now judge how well they'll do against Manchester United on Sunday at Old Trafford. Having Harry Maguire in the defense is something I don't want to see no more. Too much touches on the ball and has no pave, in between, a good short and close range passer of the ball. Both teams scoring could happen but it's a win or draw for Manchester United.

I understand how disappointed you are right now seeing Man United's slump. But believe me, a beautiful day will come soon and I am very sure that this season will be the last season for Man United to get bad and in the coming season, MU will get better results. Wink

Regarding Maguire, it is actually time for MU to find a replacement to get young players who are more productive and more aggressive to contribute to the team.

BTW, regarding the upcoming match, it is likely that betting on over 3.5 is my choice with odds @2.06.

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Quote from: hahay on September 26, 2024, 11:16:13 AM

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Quote from: Palakka on September 26, 2024, 10:56:22 AM

The 2-2 draw with Manchester City in the previous game is our reference to say their chances of this season are better, but I think we can't expect too much from Arsenal to remember what happened last season, Arsenal were able to hold Manchester City with score 0-0 at the Etihad Stadium and beat them at the Emirates Stadium 1-0, But in reality, Arsenal actually slumped at the end of the season and handed over the championship trophy to Manchester City after they had been guarding it since the beginning of the season.

Arsenal's main weakness was that their bench team was not strong. The coach had very limited talent pool. So when a player suffers an injury, the coach does not have a qualified replacement. And this is why this team could not dominate the Premier League in the last two seasons. In the last two seasons, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance erratic whenever a key player in the squad suffered an injury. And Arsenal's bench team is not strong this season either. Arsenal's performance so far has been very consistent. However, I think Arsenal's performance will deteriorate if any key player in Arsenal's squad suffers from injury.

Don't just judge it from the negative side because in fact, Arsenal under Arteta has managed to become a team that is consistent at the top of the standings. Not only that, in fact last season regarding the trophy-winning team, it was actually determined in the last match between Manchester City and Arsenal, but Manchester City still managed to get the trophy. But even so, Arsenal remains a strong team in the fight for trophies at least in the last two seasons.

Although Arsenal still failed to win the trophy, in fact Arteta managed to make Arsenal dominate the Premier League throughout the season and of course that is an impressive achievement. Because after all, the competition in the Premier League has proven to have very tough competition compared to other leagues, but Arsenal managed to make it difficult for Manchester City to get the trophy and that is also a good achievement for Arsenal.

I see no way to deny that Arsenal have played very well in the last two seasons. This team has performed very well. Despite several weaknesses in the squad, Arsenal's players continued to fight for the title until the end of the season.

But I have given reasons for Arsenal's failure to win the title. Arsenal played very well but failed to win the title. And in my opinion there was only one reason why Arsenal didn't win the title in two seasons. And this season Arsenal have added more talented players to their squad. So Arsenal's performance is likely to be erratic after an injury to a key striker in the squad.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 26, 2024, 06:49:46 AM

When it comes to the Manchester United - Tottenham game at the weekend, the odds for the sides are like below.

Those are really close odds and tempting ones at the same time right? Grin

People should keep in mind both teams are in similar conditions in the Premier League now. The same points, the only difference is the number of goals they have scored. Tottenham have been more productive with 4 more goals. Manchester United to this game with another draw in the Europa League this time.

Honestly I wouldn't bet on any side but if I would my choice would still be the Red Devils. They can be really unpredictable in big games. But my choice for this game is BTTS @1.41. Wink

I won't say Tottenham can defeat Manchester United but if Tottenham wins the game it should not be a surprise to us because we all know that Manchester United is not a team that people can trust and believe that they will win the game, Manchester united performance both premier league and Europa league is so bad, Manchester united last game against Fc twente was very poor because Manchester united can not defeat that small team and win the game to get 3 points.

But If Manchester United did not sack Erik ten Hag in January next year and got another coach when the transfer window opened the team would have ended up in relegation position at the end of the season because having a coach like Erik ten Hag doesn't know how to use the player's is like wasting the team effort, Manchester united president needs to look at the other team and how they are doing when they sack the coach that can not help the team, but if Manchester United fans are happy with him then no problem they are the one that will not be happy when the team is playing, and also about the upcoming of Manchester united against Tottenham I don't think Manchester united can win because Tottenham performance is better than Manchester United this season.

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Quote from: minairia3 on September 26, 2024, 11:02:09 AM

Quote from: Palakka on September 26, 2024, 10:56:22 AM

The 2-2 draw with Manchester City in the previous game is our reference to say their chances of this season are better, but I think we can't expect too much from Arsenal to remember what happened last season, Arsenal were able to hold Manchester City with score 0-0 at the Etihad Stadium and beat them at the Emirates Stadium 1-0, But in reality, Arsenal actually slumped at the end of the season and handed over the championship trophy to Manchester City after they had been guarding it since the beginning of the season.

Arsenal's main weakness was that their bench team was not strong. The coach had very limited talent pool. So when a player suffers an injury, the coach does not have a qualified replacement. And this is why this team could not dominate the Premier League in the last two seasons. In the last two seasons, we have seen Arsenal's overall performance erratic whenever a key player in the squad suffered an injury. And Arsenal's bench team is not strong this season either. Arsenal's performance so far has been very consistent. However, I think Arsenal's performance will deteriorate if any key player in Arsenal's squad suffers from injury.

Don't just judge it from the negative side because in fact, Arsenal under Arteta has managed to become a team that is consistent at the top of the standings. Not only that, in fact last season regarding the trophy-winning team, it was actually determined in the last match between Manchester City and Arsenal, but Manchester City still managed to get the trophy. But even so, Arsenal remains a strong team in the fight for trophies at least in the last two seasons.

Although Arsenal still failed to win the trophy, in fact Arteta managed to make Arsenal dominate the Premier League throughout the season and of course that is an impressive achievement. Because after all, the competition in the Premier League has proven to have very tough competition compared to other leagues, but Arsenal managed to make it difficult for Manchester City to get the trophy and that is also a good achievement for Arsenal.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 26, 2024, 08:50:02 AM

Quote from: RockBell on September 26, 2024, 07:15:37 AM

even if Manchester United has won they are not doing very well themself this season and I so much expect them to do better since they are the defending champions

You mean Manchester City, mate? Man City and Man united are two different football clubs though both from the same city. Anyway both top teams but it is Man city that is the defending champion and has been champions for the last 4 seasons. Entering this season, many expect them to take their 5th consecutive championship but all runs have an end. Will it be this season?

I think it was an innocent mistake from RockBell because Manchest United is far from winning the league and I think that should be the last thing on their mind now Cheesy

. When discussing the league winners, apart from Manchester City, clubs that comes to mind are Arsenal and Liverpool. Aston Villa will even be counted before Manchester United.

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and the title might shift from their table i am trying to observe Arsenal this season

Arsenal was really close to beating Man City last season I feel like they can have a good chance this season. They also seem to be in pretty good shape winning a 5-1 against Bolton.

When it comes to Arsenal, Manchester City have not been finding it easy winning them for several of their meetings. That is to say that Arsenal have come to be established as their strongest rival especially from last season till date. Their two all draw last weekend was therefore, not a surprising result to me because I expected a very tight match just like we saw.

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