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Hmm... Arsenal are still quite silent in the transfer window. We have already got past the first half of January. They won't have a long time to finish the deals in their mind if they wait longer.

I wonder why Arteta is still waiting in fact. Huh

Because he looked quite keen on making some signings in this month. Maybe a move for Serhou Guirassy? I think that it might be possible. Because he has a release clause worth only 17.5 million € now. If they have a more effective scorer like him they can be more assertive for the title race as well. But let's see what goes around Arteta's mind in the coming days.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on January 17, 2024, 01:21:40 PM

I also think the same about Hojlund with people who say he is not good enough yet because of being very young and playing in a new environment. At the same time this environment is a much more competitive one than where he came from. In the Serie A he was struggling to adapt and here it is pretty much the same - in the Premier League at least.

However I must admit that he was really great in the Champions League. He is still one of top scorers in the tournament you know despite his team's being eliminated in the group stage. Moreover he started to adapt to the Premier League recently as well considering his last performances. I hope he goes on like this.

Those who bash him are not good viewers of football honestly. They fail to understand that four of the five goals Rasmus Hojlund converted or scored all came from his own individual performance anf hardwork.
Manchester United wingers and attacking midfielder's have indeed created fewer chances for him to score goals. It's okay for people to talk about it because he was brought in for a huge fee.

Although I doubt he'll score up to ten league goal in the Premier League Competition this exact season for Manchester United. He's not a bad player, he tracks back and also defends when mandatory. He's gonna make history with the club!

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I also think the same about Hojlund with people who say he is not good enough yet because of being very young and playing in a new environment. At the same time this environment is a much more competitive one than where he came from. In the Serie A he was struggling to adapt and here it is pretty much the same - in the Premier League at least.

However I must admit that he was really great in the Champions League. He is still one of top scorers in the tournament you know despite his team's being eliminated in the group stage. Moreover he started to adapt to the Premier League recently as well considering his last performances. I hope he goes on like this.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

I agree about Rashford. He is really performing poorly this season. Sad

I don't know what happened to this guy in only one season to be honest. Last season he was incredible and Erik ten Hag was still the manager then. But now the manager is the same but Rashford isn't. He is a very crucial member of the team as we all know. When he performs badly the team are also in extra trouble.

I understand that Manchester United are having a poor season compared to the last one. But skilled individuals still should be able to do their best for the team. Rashford can't give any excuse for his poor effort throughout the season until now.

He spent most of last season as false 9 and with Anthony and Sancho running down the LW and RW, he didn't need to drop deep to receive passes like he has this season because there is literally no distribution coming from the wings as Anthony and Sancho both lost their places in the team this season and Casimero and Bruno, who are supposed to provide services from the midfield, are struggling with match fitness.

Poor teamwork was more responsible for his drop in form and early-season knocks too

Wrong!

He was the main main leading the attack for Manchester United as everyone played the ball to see him score. Wout Weghorst did most of the marking and tracking balls ( one of the reasons I saw people as crap who come on here to bash him because they don't look at his team work and work rate for Manchester United last season )

This season, Manchester United has a new number nine and Marcus Rashford has refused to create chances for the Rasmus Hojlund.

I don't want to say much about him, take a look at Granacho, the team's performance poor but he tries to up hisngake at all times, top player with top mentality. I hope Erik Ten Hag dumps him on the bench.

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Quote from: ShowOff on January 16, 2024, 01:53:11 PM

It is difficult to find a reason as to why Rashford has completely lost his best form this season. Last season Rashford impressed with 17 goals in 35 matches, while this season he has only scored 4 goals and 2 assists in 20 appearances. This is hard to believe even though Ten Hag has repeatedly given him the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

I agree that it has been a bad season for Rashford and some of the other players. Antony hasn't recorded anything in 17 appearances, Rasmus Højlund has also not lived up to expectations. Alejandro Garnacho is better than Antony, also Bruno Fernandes has a decline in his performance. This is a different season for Manchester United compared to last season, so overall their performance has really suffered.

I see Rashford's decline in performance also because he doesn't have a clear vision and mission this season. Moreover, Rasmus Højlund is still performing below expectations. The two of them still haven't found a good playing rhythm. I often see moments where Rashford makes bad decisions and seems to play alone. But overall all MU players have performed poorly this season. They are not like last season where they were able to appear as a fairly strong team in the league. This season they have really performed poorly with a goal difference of only 5 goals. I don't think they will get a place in any international matches next season.

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Quote from: Mame89 on January 16, 2024, 03:49:34 AM

In this match Spurs played great even without a complete squad. If they had Son, maybe the score would be different. Yes that's right. Man United's defense is very bad, especially goalkeeper Onana. Onana was very selfish by delaying going to the Africa Cup of Nations, insisting on playing with Man United and in the end not winning. The more Onana continued to play, the more Man United was hit. The number of goals conceded is very, very, very, very, very much.

I was surprised by Erik Ten Hag's decision, even though he had often conceded goals, Onana was still trusted to be the starter as if he didn't have a backup goalkeeper at all. If in another team like Madrid, they don't play well in three matches, they must be benched first so they can introspect and give the reserve goalkeeper confidence to be able to perform. In this match it was very clear that Onana could not be relied on in anticipating corners and crosses. He didn't dare cut the ball in the air, he was too focused on watching his teammates duel for the ball.

Manchester United defense as we know isn’t the best of any defense in this league and worst of it is their goalie Onana. I don’t see any key thing he added to the match that prompted him staying back from AFCON, because he still conceded some cheap goals and made some crazy shaky mistakes. I think if the Spurs squad was quite complete then it could have been doom for United. ETH still relying on Onana is one story we’ve spoken on quite a number of times .

The man trusts his players gotten from their youthful age more reason Onana and Anthony still remains key in his build up project. I think Onana should be dropped for a while and probably he could regain his confidence to stand between the sticks, Ten Hag haven't tested the new Turkish keeper yet to see his capability and see if Onana needs to rest for a while, I think he needs to start trusting some of this substitute players too.

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Quote from: tygeade on January 16, 2024, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: Baki202 on January 16, 2024, 04:04:29 AM

De Bruyne is exceptional when it comes to attack and when I heard he was back i was happy because to some extent the De Bruyne has strength my club so much. And is presence means a lot to the club. Why would you say you don't want us to win the Premier League again because if you look at it now who else deserves it if not us. Aside that de brune is in my club everyone loves him because of is dedication to the club. When he went on injury I was not happy at all because I know it will affect the club and thank God is back and he came back with doing more womders. When you watch de De Bruyne play you will know that that dude is talented and that is anything his around its a very good opportunity for haaland to score also because De Bruyne give one of the best assistance you can ever imagine.

I believe that we are going to end up with KDB and Haaland playing together soon enough, in about two weeks. When that starts, like when they are both on the field, the result will not be all that easy, we are going to end up seeing City end up beating every single team. I mean they could still lose, it is a possibility, but they have become so much better if you ask me.

The fact that they missed these players here and there, and specially KDB, made the team so much better because everyone else had to step up, and that means everyone else plays great now, and with KDB coming back, they will keep on being great, and adding these stars will only make them even better. It is showing already, add Haaland on this and you got yourself maybe the greatest team in recent memory, only be beaten by that galaticos Real Madrid team.

Mancity are a great team with or without any player,no player is over important to City as long as they have one manager,Pep Guardiola,who knows how to get what he wants from what he has.If you see the period that Debruyne was not available,I thought they were going to loose almost half of the games they played,but it wasn't like that,they were still winning games back to back,it was only when they lost Rodri,that the story changed,it was then that they lose three games consecutively.However,there's no doubt about what KDB brings to the team every time he plays,it becomes very hard for City to lose when he is available and around on the pitch.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 16, 2024, 03:12:52 PM

Højlund is very young, he has started to score goals now. I think it’s unfair to judge him so soon in a new league, playing in what is an underperforming team with lots of players who aren’t good enough.

Gamacho is a good player but the others you mentioned, I agree, are just not good enough. Antony is crap, a colossal waste of money and Rashford will never be an elite level striker. Ferndandes is talented but doesn’t have the mentality to be a truly world class player.

The problem that occurred for Hojlund actually when he was at Manchester United at this time was that he was too burdened with great expectations because we know that when rumors of Hojlund coming to Manchester United he was immediately aligned with Haaland even though in terms of performance at Atalanta he was not that good but because the hype given was so high that made this player impressed as an underated person that this actually made him become burdened and the fans were disappointed with what he played not in accordance with the desired expectations.

He is a player who is actually quite good, it's just that the expectations are too high from most people making it seem as if his current performance is a mistake. In addition, Manchester United's attack patterns and schemes and of course in terms of comfort in their dressing room are currently not very good, making it even more difficult for him to bring Manchester United because indeed expecting him to be one of the many mistakes made by so many players is very difficult for such a young age.

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Quote from: ShowOff on January 16, 2024, 01:53:11 PM

I agree that it has been a bad season for Rashford and some of the other players. Antony hasn't recorded anything in 17 appearances, Rasmus Højlund has also not lived up to expectations. Alejandro Garnacho is better than Antony, also Bruno Fernandes has a decline in his performance. This is a different season for Manchester United compared to last season, so overall their performance has really suffered.

Taking too long to control the ball and choosing to continue to force himself to dribble until he can take a shot is the reason Rashford has experienced a decline in performance this season.
Last season, I thought Rashford played like no other Manchester United game I've ever watched.
The effect of Bruno is also one of the reasons why Rashford's performance has decreased. Bruno this season since becoming captain and serving as Manchester United's game controller has not really entrusted the ball to Rashford.

I agree that Garnacho is better than other Manchester United players. Apart from Alejandro Garnacho, in my opinion there is another name from the Manchester United player who performs well every time he gets the opportunity to play, namely Kobbie Mainoo.

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Quote from: ShowOff on January 16, 2024, 01:53:11 PM

I agree that it has been a bad season for Rashford and some of the other players. Antony hasn't recorded anything in 17 appearances, Rasmus Højlund has also not lived up to expectations. Alejandro Garnacho is better than Antony, also Bruno Fernandes has a decline in his performance. This is a different season for Manchester United compared to last season, so overall their performance has really suffered.

Højlund is very young, he has started to score goals now. I think it’s unfair to judge him so soon in a new league, playing in what is an underperforming team with lots of players who aren’t good enough.

Gamacho is a good player but the others you mentioned, I agree, are just not good enough. Antony is crap, a colossal waste of money and Rashford will never be an elite level striker. Ferndandes is talented but doesn’t have the mentality to be a truly world class player.

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Quote from: Strongkored on January 14, 2024, 09:05:31 AM

It looks like luck because they only won by a narrow score and the goal was scored via a penalty kick after a Fulham player fouled one of Chelsea's players, but actually Chelsea continued to appear to put pressure on the away team but unfortunately, their chances were not able to penetrate Fulham's defense, even their opponents several times made quite good attacks and threatening their goal.
Chelsea was quite grateful because Cole Palmer managed to calmly execute the penalty kick because if he had failed, Chelsea would have gotten another bad result. In the final minutes, they managed to maintain their defense which continued to receive attacks from Fulham who were trying to get 1 point by doing so to equalize the score.
Chelsea's performance was ordinary even though this was their third win in a row and with a performance like that they would still probably lose to any team because their game development was not very good.

If they win all their matches this way and get to the top, nobody will give a damn about how they win as long as they remain at the top. What matter most is they should win their match which they won Fulham. I'm proud to see some adjustments in the table but how long will they go is something we can't say now because they once pull some battle with Manchester City in the same season, that game impressed everyone including that hasn't been a fan but they didn't do well after that, so I don't know what will happen in their subsequent matches.

There is a problem in managerial positions of Chelsea players but more importantly, they need to build a strong foundation of striker, the forward looks dead and the midfield looks weak. Pochettino still has time to make adjustments in necessary places instead those worthless comments he always rush to make when there loss match, always use to "I believe in this project, we just need more time bla bla bla" and the season has pass half way to the second leg.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

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Marcus Rashford is a donkey if he doesn't removes the mentality of a star up in his head and join contribute marking and closing down spaces for the club, Erik Ten Hag should kindly address it.

I agree about Rashford. He is really performing poorly this season. Sad

I don't know what happened to this guy in only one season to be honest. Last season he was incredible and Erik ten Hag was still the manager then. But now the manager is the same but Rashford isn't. He is a very crucial member of the team as we all know. When he performs badly the team are also in extra trouble.

I understand that Manchester United are having a poor season compared to the last one. But skilled individuals still should be able to do their best for the team. Rashford can't give any excuse for his poor effort throughout the season until now.

It is difficult to find a reason as to why Rashford has completely lost his best form this season. Last season Rashford impressed with 17 goals in 35 matches, while this season he has only scored 4 goals and 2 assists in 20 appearances. This is hard to believe even though Ten Hag has repeatedly given him the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

I agree that it has been a bad season for Rashford and some of the other players. Antony hasn't recorded anything in 17 appearances, Rasmus Højlund has also not lived up to expectations. Alejandro Garnacho is better than Antony, also Bruno Fernandes has a decline in his performance. This is a different season for Manchester United compared to last season, so overall their performance has really suffered.

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I'm quite happy to see Kevin De Bruyne being back in the squad.

Maybe I don't want to see Manchester City as the champions in the Premier League once again. But it is still a great joy to watch a player like him. He has just recovered from his lasting injury but still he is able to perform like nothing happened right away. This is something special about him.

His game sense is just amazing. You must have watched the goal he scored and the assist he made against Newcastle. Both of them were really smart and lovely to watch. Grin

He is known by this kind of amazing passes and he just continues from where he left. I think he will stay at Manchester City at least until the end of his current contract.

De Bruyne is exceptional when it comes to attack and when I heard he was back i was happy because to some extent the De Bruyne has strength my club so much. And is presence means a lot to the club. Why would you say you don't want us to win the Premier League again because if you look at it now who else deserves it if not us. Aside that de brune is in my club everyone loves him because of is dedication to the club. When he went on injury I was not happy at all because I know it will affect the club and thank God is back and he came back with doing more womders. When you watch de De Bruyne play you will know that that dude is talented and that is anything his around its a very good opportunity for haaland to score also because De Bruyne give one of the best assistance you can ever imagine.

I mean I really have a huge respect for Guardiola's style. He applies his strategies for Manchester City perfectly and the players are also very skilled to do what he wants exactly. However Manchester City have been dominating the Premier League since the 2017/18 season. They won the title 5 times in the last 6 seasons so it is getting quite boring to me. Sad

They have turned the Premier League into a farmers league when it comes to competition rate for the title. I really want to see some different champions also here. Arsenal just mess it up suddenly while everything is going just fine for them. I don't give any chance to Aston Villa to make it either. I only believe in Liverpool to break this chain once again like they did in the 2019/20 season. Grin

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Quote from: Baki202 on January 16, 2024, 04:04:29 AM

De Bruyne is exceptional when it comes to attack and when I heard he was back i was happy because to some extent the De Bruyne has strength my club so much. And is presence means a lot to the club. Why would you say you don't want us to win the Premier League again because if you look at it now who else deserves it if not us. Aside that de brune is in my club everyone loves him because of is dedication to the club. When he went on injury I was not happy at all because I know it will affect the club and thank God is back and he came back with doing more womders. When you watch de De Bruyne play you will know that that dude is talented and that is anything his around its a very good opportunity for haaland to score also because De Bruyne give one of the best assistance you can ever imagine.

I believe that we are going to end up with KDB and Haaland playing together soon enough, in about two weeks. When that starts, like when they are both on the field, the result will not be all that easy, we are going to end up seeing City end up beating every single team. I mean they could still lose, it is a possibility, but they have become so much better if you ask me.

The fact that they missed these players here and there, and specially KDB, made the team so much better because everyone else had to step up, and that means everyone else plays great now, and with KDB coming back, they will keep on being great, and adding these stars will only make them even better. It is showing already, add Haaland on this and you got yourself maybe the greatest team in recent memory, only be beaten by that galaticos Real Madrid team.

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Quote from: Distraction on January 15, 2024, 06:46:21 AM

I'm quite happy to see Kevin De Bruyne being back in the squad.

Maybe I don't want to see Manchester City as the champions in the Premier League once again. But it is still a great joy to watch a player like him. He has just recovered from his lasting injury but still he is able to perform like nothing happened right away. This is something special about him.

His game sense is just amazing. You must have watched the goal he scored and the assist he made against Newcastle. Both of them were really smart and lovely to watch. Grin

He is known by this kind of amazing passes and he just continues from where he left. I think he will stay at Manchester City at least until the end of his current contract.

De Bruyne is exceptional when it comes to attack and when I heard he was back i was happy because to some extent the De Bruyne has strength my club so much. And is presence means a lot to the club. Why would you say you don't want us to win the Premier League again because if you look at it now who else deserves it if not us. Aside that de brune is in my club everyone loves him because of is dedication to the club. When he went on injury I was not happy at all because I know it will affect the club and thank God is back and he came back with doing more womders. When you watch de De Bruyne play you will know that that dude is talented and that is anything his around its a very good opportunity for haaland to score also because De Bruyne give one of the best assistance you can ever imagine.

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Man United vs Tottenham in this two team match both teams scored 2-2 for which the match between the two teams was a draw. Man United team scored the first goal in the first 2 minutes of the game. M. Rashford scored 2 goals in 40 minutes. Tottenham team player Richarlison scored 1 goal in 19 minutes. R. Bentancur scored the 2nd goal in the 46th minute to draw the match. Tottenham could not win this match due to the poor performance of their players.

Manchester united's poor defensive line was not able in making the situation to be even better. The club has been leading the match but it was failed caused by manchester united was not able in defending from totenham's attack.
It was fucking disappointed to see that how manchester united lost three points in old trafford. Manchester united can do better rather than try to get 1 point. Totenham has been playing carefull and it was always pressuring manchester united's defensive line.
The only problem owned by manchester united was really poor defenders. The club has been conceding so many goals and there must be overhaul in the defensive line. Manchester united needs to recruit good defenders and goal keeper.
This is the mistakes owned by ten hag when he was buying a new goal keeper without even try to reconsider it again. Onana was a flop and this is the fact. Manchester united will not play in UCL next season. The club will be only achieving europa league at the end of season.

In this match Spurs played great even without a complete squad. If they had Son, maybe the score would be different. Yes that's right. Man United's defense is very bad, especially goalkeeper Onana. Onana was very selfish by delaying going to the Africa Cup of Nations, insisting on playing with Man United and in the end not winning. The more Onana continued to play, the more Man United was hit. The number of goals conceded is very, very, very, very, very much.

I was surprised by Erik Ten Hag's decision, even though he had often conceded goals, Onana was still trusted to be the starter as if he didn't have a backup goalkeeper at all. If in another team like Madrid, they don't play well in three matches, they must be benched first so they can introspect and give the reserve goalkeeper confidence to be able to perform. In this match it was very clear that Onana could not be relied on in anticipating corners and crosses. He didn't dare cut the ball in the air, he was too focused on watching his teammates duel for the ball.

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Quote from: Abbatty on January 15, 2024, 09:10:40 AM

Without Kevin De Bruyne Manchester city would have lost or Draw the match, but De Bruyne shows his class and with no doubt he is going to be a vital key if Manchester city is going to retain the title this season. I think this season is going to be a very dramatic one till de very end, it one thing that makes the English premier league so interesting. I hope he doesn’t get injured again and can’t wait to see Halland back too.

I don't want to say Manchester City will definitely lose or draw without De Bruyne, from my point of view Manchester City winning percentage decreases slightly while De Bruyne is in the treatment room. After De Bruyne returned to strengthen Manchester City, he immediately showed his class as the most vital player for the club he defended. Manchester City game immediately improved, and it didn't take long for him to show his class.

Even though he started the match as a substitute when Manchester City played against Newcastle, he immediately contributed to the team and became the hero of Manchester City victory. I think Manchester City goal productivity will increase if Haaland collaborates with De Bruyne again, Pep Guardiola will also be calmer when the starting XI he has compiled is complete.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 15, 2024, 01:23:51 AM

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Marcus Rashford is a donkey if he doesn't removes the mentality of a star up in his head and join contribute marking and closing down spaces for the club, Erik Ten Hag should kindly address it.

I agree about Rashford. He is really performing poorly this season. Sad

I don't know what happened to this guy in only one season to be honest. Last season he was incredible and Erik ten Hag was still the manager then. But now the manager is the same but Rashford isn't. He is a very crucial member of the team as we all know. When he performs badly the team are also in extra trouble.

You can't really sure if someone will able to deliver stable performance. It's normal to see that the cycle if football player's performance. It can go up and down again. Garnacho was not shining last season but he is just proving his worhiness this time.
Rashford seems got another bad thing that makes his performance has been declining a lot. While Rashford may face difficulties, he remains capable of contributing with goal-scoring, and it is worth noting how Ten Hag is increasingly entrusting Antony to operate independently.
The good performance from tominay and meguire were pure luck in the last matches. Anything can happen but im sure that if manchester united will be getting another bad result again.
The current team was not even strong enough to compete at europa league.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

I understand that Manchester United are having a poor season compared to the last one. But skilled individuals still should be able to do their best for the team. Rashford can't give any excuse for his poor effort throughout the season until now.

It's too slow on its regeneration and manchester united was too often buying the useless players. There are many articles about how much money being spent by ten hag to get bull cup. It's not even worthy to have him in the club but the management seems had different perception regarding this .
The fans are feeling so upset with the club under ten hag. They were always screaming their disappointment to the ten hag and management but none of these parties were caring to the fans.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

I agree about Rashford. He is really performing poorly this season. Sad

I don't know what happened to this guy in only one season to be honest. Last season he was incredible and Erik ten Hag was still the manager then. But now the manager is the same but Rashford isn't. He is a very crucial member of the team as we all know. When he performs badly the team are also in extra trouble.

I understand that Manchester United are having a poor season compared to the last one. But skilled individuals still should be able to do their best for the team. Rashford can't give any excuse for his poor effort throughout the season until now.

He spent most of last season as false 9 and with Anthony and Sancho running down the LW and RW, he didn't need to drop deep to receive passes like he has this season because there is literally no distribution coming from the wings as Anthony and Sancho both lost their places in the team this season and Casimero and Bruno, who are supposed to provide services from the midfield, are struggling with match fitness.

Poor teamwork was more responsible for his drop in form and early-season knocks too

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 15, 2024, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on January 15, 2024, 01:23:51 AM

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Marcus Rashford is a donkey if he doesn't removes the mentality of a star up in his head and join contribute marking and closing down spaces for the club, Erik Ten Hag should kindly address it.

I agree about Rashford. He is really performing poorly this season. Sad

I don't know what happened to this guy in only one season to be honest. Last season he was incredible and Erik ten Hag was still the manager then. But now the manager is the same but Rashford isn't. He is a very crucial member of the team as we all know. When he performs badly the team are also in extra trouble.

I understand that Manchester United are having a poor season compared to the last one. But skilled individuals still should be able to do their best for the team. Rashford can't give any excuse for his poor effort throughout the season until now.

Yes, it seems like Marcus Rashford's bad performance is in line with Manchester United's bad performance, when the club performs badly the players also find it difficult to show their best and in my opinion the club's main problem is the coach, last season Marcus Rashford still played better than now because he still has confidence but now the club is not in a good mental state so Marcus Rashford has also fallen into decline, but we also can't blame anyone who is at fault among the players or the coach but from the many comments from various fans that this is the fault of the coach who failed to improve the confidence of the players.

A team doesn't just rely on 1 player, if all the players don't play optimally then the club will experience a decline and that happened to the Manchester United club currently led by Erik Ten Hag. A coach must be able to build the overall performance of the club because the coach is the foundation of a club it alone can provide the right strategy and direction to all the players.

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