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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 29, 2023, 03:52:06 PM

I think Arsenal are massively overrated. They had one good season in like a decade and still didn’t win the league. They have an average goalkeeper and impotent strike force. I think Saliba and Gabriel are a good CB partnership but their fullbacks are mediocre. The midfield is pretty good but I don’t think they are good enough to win big titles yet.

I sometimes think they might be slightly overrated. Massively overrated sounds like an exaggeration to me, but slightly is enough to come to the conclusion that it is not very likely for them to be ready to win the Premier League yet. The results have been bad recently, but the results were not necessarily perfectly reflective of how the games went. But that's something that can happen to the other teams. Manchester City had a few games this season that were dominated by them and yet ended with a bad result.

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Quote from: Falconer on December 29, 2023, 03:15:02 PM

It's true, things haven't been easy for Tottenham and Arsenal after losing their last match. Arsenal's failure to win meant they failed to lead the standings and this also put Liverpool at the top. Tottenham have ultimately suffered a dip in form even though they did something very convincing at the start of the season. Everything changed so quickly for them and so far Tottenham have struggled to return to their top performance.

The poor results experienced by Arsenal and Tottenham provide a good opportunity for Manchester City and Aston Villa to provide tough competition. This is the advantage of the Premier League compared to other leagues in Europe, competition between teams in the race for the title is very tight.

Arsenal and Tottenham’s loss yesterday wasn’t expected and it’s one loss that would come haunting in nearest future. Tottenham who started the season pretty well now sits around 5th spot and could even get a slip off that position if they continue having losses to their form and that’s not really good especially with the sweet start to the season they had, there's still lots of work for Ange Postecoglou to get this team kicking again, especially adding more players to their depth.

Arsenal who failed to lead the log after falling to Moyes plan at the Emirate, yes the loss was important more especially for the coach but it could haunt them to; now the battle for the league is pretty open for the likes of Manchester City who are defending champions and Aston Villa.This fierce competition in the league, makes the EPL a very sweet one and competitive and also helps to boost team’s performance.

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Because Manchester City were already able to win only once in their last 5 matches in the Premier League. If they lose points here too it would be a disaster for them. I know Everton are on the rise recently but we are talking about Manchester City here. The Manchester club must be able to find a way to make a comeback!

And in the end they were able to beat Everton 3-1. This is a good result for City and they will be able to continue to improve their ranking. Aston Villa's defeat further enabled City to catch up on some of the points they were left behind. The competition in the Premier League is becoming increasingly exciting to watch. But I doubt City will be able to become champions this season because they really struggled when Haaland and De Bruyne were injured. But at least they will be able to secure a place in the top four and qualify for the Champions League.

Seeing De Bruyne and Haaland returning at the same time would make Guardiola very happy for the upcoming matches. Because when these two players are both on the pitch Manchester City are playing way different than this. This would even be the main factor to help them climb the standings to the top once again.

In the end we have just reached the halfway in the season so there is so many more matches to be played. The balance of the league can change significantly just as it has happened so far. It is up to Arsenal and Liverpool to be consistent and try their best to stay ahead of Manchester City.

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I think Arsenal are massively overrated. They had one good season in like a decade and still didn’t win the league. They have an average goalkeeper and impotent strike force. I think Saliba and Gabriel are a good CB partnership but their fullbacks are mediocre. The midfield is pretty good but I don’t think they are good enough to win big titles yet.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 29, 2023, 01:26:17 PM

As far as I know Arsenal are already looking for a striker seriously. Because I have seen some transfer speculations related to them for the centre-forward position. Maybe Guirassy is also a target for them as he has a release clause which can be activated in January. But there will surely be some other big teams going after him as well. Guirassy is a really great talent with the performance level he has shown so far. He can be a useful player for Arsenal as he isn't an old player either.

But in this case I wonder whether Arsenal would think of parting their ways with Nketiah or Gabriel Jesus. Huh

Crystal Palace have shown great interest in Nketiah in the next transfer season of January but I don't think that will be possible at the moment as Arsenal have shown interest in his forwards and I don't think they are in any way considering that. Maybe in the next transfer season.

Jesus on the other hand have tried to shown consistency over this season but he still faced many criticism over the 2-0 lost to West Ham club. However, Henry have supported the player full time.

I think Arsenal still have the squad depth to perform averagely well in the new year but still needs to work on their strike. I feel like they still need one goal machine in the forward.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on December 29, 2023, 02:54:45 PM

The premier league table is shaping up to something we'd all remember. Liverpool on top of the table and man city winning their next 10 games and getting on top of the table. I do hope that it's not the case this time as Liverpool and Arsenal struggle really well at several matches this season. That Arsenal and Tottenham were absolute shockers but it's a good move considering Liverpool the opportunity to earn more points and increase at the gap at the top of the table.

Something like the Covid-19 (2019/2030) season.

The first 19 match weeks in the English Premier League have been played which also marks the end of the first half of the season and from every visible evidence, I don't Manchester City are gonna do what they did last season by coming from behind to defeat the rest of the teams in their the last 19 games of the season. Manchester City might not be at the top of the league table but have been impressive and recently won the FIFA club world cup but considering the performance of other big teams in the league especially Liverpool, it'll be very difficult for them to go past everyone and return at the submit of the table.
Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur's defeat yesterday was surprising to many including myself and I hope the two teams bounces back to winning ways and continue their fight for the league title

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Quote from: IvugeoEvolutionCoin on December 29, 2023, 01:16:37 PM

Yesterday Brighton vs Tottenham in the Premier League Brighton team won by 4 goals in the match between two teams. The first goal was scored by J. Hinshelwood in the 11th minute. J. Pedro scored the 2nd goal in the 23rd minute.P. Estupiñán scored the 3rd goal at 63 minutes.J. Pedro scored the 4th goal in 75 minutes. But on the other hand, Tottenham scored 2 goals. A. Véliz scored the 1st goal in the 81st minute.B. Davies scored the 2nd goal on 85 minutes.

I believe that we are going to end up with Tottenham getting worse and worse by time. I have to say that Brighton is a great team with amazing young talent, you should check their roster out, they have so many players that worth a lot and they are going to get only better and better. I feel like we are going to end up with something that means something for them, it will be important to get these type of three points for the future as well.

Tottenham on the other hand started amazing, that doesn't mean that they would stay that good and we have seen them drop a lot and they will probably keep getting worse. It wasn't really sane to think that they would lose Kane and then get better, it was about time to see their drop.

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Quote from: bbigtart on December 29, 2023, 03:03:01 PM

Quote from: püsür on December 29, 2023, 02:46:24 PM

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The EPL league always brings unexpected surprises even though Tottenham really need three points to stay in the top four, but they ended up wasting points in this match. On the other hand, Brighton always gives painful things to the team. -The big team in this match they performed very perfectly. But indeed Tottenham with 8 injured players, and 3 more players in January Son, Sar, Bissouma had to be absent because he was playing for the national team in the Asian and African Cups. Of course, Tottenham will find it difficult to compete in the big four.

So in conclusion, with Spurs and Arsenal losing, things are easier for Man City to catch up on points with Liverpool. Man City will face the bottom team, namely Sheffield United, of course Man City will not waste this opportunity to reduce the points gap with Liverpool.

It's true, things haven't been easy for Tottenham and Arsenal after losing their last match. Arsenal's failure to win meant they failed to lead the standings and this also put Liverpool at the top. Tottenham have ultimately suffered a dip in form even though they did something very convincing at the start of the season. Everything changed so quickly for them and so far Tottenham have struggled to return to their top performance.

The poor results experienced by Arsenal and Tottenham provide a good opportunity for Manchester City and Aston Villa to provide tough competition. This is the advantage of the Premier League compared to other leagues in Europe, competition between teams in the race for the title is very tight.

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Quote from: püsür on December 29, 2023, 02:46:24 PM

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Tottenham were really horrible against Brighton! I mean especially the first half performances. Tottenham were really desperate against Brighton then. Brighton had so many goal chances in the first half. Tottenham started to attack more in the second half maybe but still they were clueless about how to stop Brighton offense. Sad

Mitoma's absence didn't affect Brighton badly at all. They scored 4 goals in this game which is a new goal record against Tottenham in Brighton history.

In fact Vicario is a really good goalkeeper but he was also desperate in this game. Especially Estupinan's goal was a masterpiece. Grin

The fact that everyone has the potential to beat each other shows us once again how difficult and high quality the English premier league is. You absolutely had to watch 90 minutes of this match, it was a perfect match, perfect. Even though it looked like 4-2, it could have been 4-4 in the last minutes. But also Brighton could have scored more too. Vicario saved a lot of goals. Although they conceded 4 goals, I like Tottenham's goalkeeper quite a lot. As a team, Tottenham is indeed terrible sometimes. I expect surprise results from their games usually.

The EPL league always brings unexpected surprises even though Tottenham really need three points to stay in the top four, but they ended up wasting points in this match. On the other hand, Brighton always gives painful things to the team. -The big team in this match they performed very perfectly. But indeed Tottenham with 8 injured players, and 3 more players in January Son, Sar, Bissouma had to be absent because he was playing for the national team in the Asian and African Cups. Of course, Tottenham will find it difficult to compete in the big four.

So in conclusion, with Spurs and Arsenal losing, things are easier for Man City to catch up on points with Liverpool. Man City will face the bottom team, namely Sheffield United, of course Man City will not waste this opportunity to reduce the points gap with Liverpool.

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The premier league table is shaping up to something we'd all remember. Liverpool on top of the table and man city winning their next 10 games and getting on top of the table. I do hope that it's not the case this time as Liverpool and Arsenal struggle really well at several matches this season. That Arsenal and Tottenham were absolute shockers but it's a good move considering Liverpool the opportunity to earn more points and increase at the gap at the top of the table.

Something like the Covid-19 (2019/2030) season.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 29, 2023, 04:53:29 AM

Tottenham were really horrible against Brighton! I mean especially the first half performances. Tottenham were really desperate against Brighton then. Brighton had so many goal chances in the first half. Tottenham started to attack more in the second half maybe but still they were clueless about how to stop Brighton offense. Sad

Mitoma's absence didn't affect Brighton badly at all. They scored 4 goals in this game which is a new goal record against Tottenham in Brighton history.

In fact Vicario is a really good goalkeeper but he was also desperate in this game. Especially Estupinan's goal was a masterpiece. Grin

The fact that everyone has the potential to beat each other shows us once again how difficult and high quality the English premier league is. You absolutely had to watch 90 minutes of this match, it was a perfect match, perfect. Even though it looked like 4-2, it could have been 4-4 in the last minutes. But also Brighton could have scored more too. Vicario saved a lot of goals. Although they conceded 4 goals, I like Tottenham's goalkeeper quite a lot. As a team, Tottenham is indeed terrible sometimes. I expect surprise results from their games usually.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 29, 2023, 02:19:38 PM

In fact, I have already said what I will say in another thread that actually those who are at the top of points table or in the top 3 have performances that are not worthy or I mean Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa are not yet strong enough to be leaders of the Premier League and Look at how Aston villa was beaten by Manchester United and Asenal was beaten West Ham.
From the conclusion above, we can estimate that to be able to maintain a position in first place in points table, you must have very high consistency.

football is not some sort of a perfectly placed activity, Teams experience good and bad times, these teams you've mentioned above have had periods they played really well and were applauded by everyone, it's quite unfortunate that they lost form slightly this past week and lost matches, but that is not enough reason to look down on them. Sometimes these players suffer from fatigue or injuries and it affects their team play for some time, when there are good players on the bench, their inefficiencies are effectively compensated. In the case of Aston villa, they over relaxed and it cost them the game, but not withstanding, learning is everyday and I believe these teams have spotted their weaknesses and will work on it to give us a better and expected performance on their next campaign.

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Quote from: makishart on December 29, 2023, 04:00:04 AM

Arsenal and aston villa got the bad results this week. It gives city a chance to be even closer to those two teams. Despite the relentless bombardment from Arsenal, Westham has managed to maintain a high level of consistency in their performances. However, they showed resilience and managed to bounce back after coming dangerously close to conceding goals against Arsenal. I was watching the match, and it was amazing westham with less than 30% ball possessions were able making three goals attempts and 2 goals to won aganist arsenal.
What's the problem here? It must be on arsenal caused by the club was missing many opportunties. It's started with saka's heading, which was very less powerful and his shoot was hitting the bar. Im feeling so bad for all of bettors who pick arsenal.

Westham is truly showing its level in this match. It was using the big wall to protect the goal keeper but it must be noted that if the goal keeper of westham has blocked so many chances by arsenal as well.
Why didn't arsenal targeting him instead of raya? In order to improve their team, Arsenal can initiate the process of kicking Ramsdale and swiftly commence efforts to recruit Westham's goal keeper. It's amazing to see how westham goal keeprs made so many brilliant save.

The week's fixtures weren't favourable for Villa and Arsenal, the two teams had to embrace a loss which was really unexpected, although for Arsenal they had the bigger share of loss as they weren't even able to net a goal adding that they were the host side but still they incurred 2goals from West Ham. The outcome affected their position on the league standings tho. Now their spot is very much threatened.

For Villa, they played visitors to United, they were able to keep the pressure high but had to face a sad comeback which in turn led to their loss. Their spot is also threatened and these two teams have to strive to maintain their standings on the table too so as not to drop down ruining their European cup tickets too. For Arsenal they need to try as much as possible to make sure the experience they had last season in bottling the league does not repeat again.

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Quote from: legendbtc on December 29, 2023, 06:25:32 AM

Quote from: harapan on December 29, 2023, 03:08:48 AM

I don't care the kind of form West Ham is in this is a match Arsenal should have won. They messed up by losing this match to West Ham. They were at home and they had the advantage. Is West in a better form than Arsenal?
This is just what Arsenal do, they always bottle their opportunities. They were supposed to win the league the year Leicester won it, they were supposed to win the league last season but they messed up and allowed Man City win it, now they've lost and giving either Liverpool or Manchester City a chance to win the league again.
Now Manchester City has an outstanding match, if they win that match they'll be second and top Arsenal with goals.

There have been clear signs of progress for Arsenal this season, but the 2-0 loss to West Ham raised familiar questions. Not only Man City but also Liverpool are ready to compete for the Premier League championship this season. Man City is only 3 points behind and has played 1 match less. Arsenal appeared to need more composure of a championship team. The organization of the defense had apparent problems in the first goal. More significantly, before conceding, Arsenal wasted a series of opportunities. The addition of personnel is necessary for Arsenal to avoid going into the "trail" of last season when allowing Manchester City to overturn the odds and lose the Premier League championship. Mikel Arteta needs to have urgent solutions. If there are no additions soon, going down the same path as last season is entirely possible. They need a central striker. Arsenal must win another derby with Fulham to consolidate their position.

In fact, I have already said what I will say in another thread that actually those who are at the top of points table or in the top 3 have performances that are not worthy or I mean Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa are not yet strong enough to be leaders of the Premier League and Look at how Aston villa was beaten by Manchester United and Asenal was beaten West Ham.
From the conclusion above, we can estimate that to be able to maintain a position in first place in points table, you must have very high consistency.
Meanwhile, we have to know that Manchester City will get back its mainstay player after going through a period of injury. Haaland is likely to appear again with Manchester City in the next match.
The most important thing for me is that several clubs above Manchester City will only be temporary if MC improves its performance again and will definitely move back to these 3 clubs and dominate the Premier League again.

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Quote from: Godday on December 29, 2023, 12:28:20 PM

I also think that way. Jesus, Saka and Martinelli really underperformed that night. I mean 30 shots with 8 shots on target and none of them were goals? Is it because West Ham's defense is very solid or does Arsenal really need a finisher in this transfer market? I remember when Giroud played at Arsenal where he was a good player who was good at finding positions but had very poor finishing in front of goal.

As far as I know Arsenal are already looking for a striker seriously. Because I have seen some transfer speculations related to them for the centre-forward position. Maybe Guirassy is also a target for them as he has a release clause which can be activated in January. But there will surely be some other big teams going after him as well. Guirassy is a really great talent with the performance level he has shown so far. He can be a useful player for Arsenal as he isn't an old player either.

But in this case I wonder whether Arsenal would think of parting their ways with Nketiah or Gabriel Jesus. Huh

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Yesterday Brighton vs Tottenham in the Premier League Brighton team won by 4 goals in the match between two teams. The first goal was scored by J. Hinshelwood in the 11th minute. J. Pedro scored the 2nd goal in the 23rd minute.P. Estupiñán scored the 3rd goal at 63 minutes.J. Pedro scored the 4th goal in 75 minutes. But on the other hand, Tottenham scored 2 goals. A. Véliz scored the 1st goal in the 81st minute.B. Davies scored the 2nd goal on 85 minutes.

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Quote from: Dimitri94 on December 29, 2023, 05:40:34 AM

Arsenal couldn't give their best at their home ground. They missed a few opportunities. Firstly they could reach above the currently leading team Liverpool if they win the match. But that opportunity was missed. Tomas Sosek's goal in the first half was controversial, while in the second half they couldn't stop West Ham. former Arsenal player Konstantinos Mavropanos make goal from a corner and lead to West Ham ahead. But the fact is that Arsenal controlled the ball throughout the match but did not score. And since they did not score, naturally the strikers have to take this responsibility. They need good strikers in their team.

I also think that way. Jesus, Saka and Martinelli really underperformed that night. I mean 30 shots with 8 shots on target and none of them were goals? Is it because West Ham's defense is very solid or does Arsenal really need a finisher in this transfer market? I remember when Giroud played at Arsenal where he was a good player who was good at finding positions but had very poor finishing in front of goal.

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Quote from: harapan on December 29, 2023, 03:08:48 AM

I don't care the kind of form West Ham is in this is a match Arsenal should have won. They messed up by losing this match to West Ham. They were at home and they had the advantage. Is West in a better form than Arsenal?
This is just what Arsenal do, they always bottle their opportunities. They were supposed to win the league the year Leicester won it, they were supposed to win the league last season but they messed up and allowed Man City win it, now they've lost and giving either Liverpool or Manchester City a chance to win the league again.
Now Manchester City has an outstanding match, if they win that match they'll be second and top Arsenal with goals.

There have been clear signs of progress for Arsenal this season, but the 2-0 loss to West Ham raised familiar questions. Not only Man City but also Liverpool are ready to compete for the Premier League championship this season. Man City is only 3 points behind and has played 1 match less. Arsenal appeared to need more composure of a championship team. The organization of the defense had apparent problems in the first goal. More significantly, before conceding, Arsenal wasted a series of opportunities. The addition of personnel is necessary for Arsenal to avoid going into the "trail" of last season when allowing Manchester City to overturn the odds and lose the Premier League championship. Mikel Arteta needs to have urgent solutions. If there are no additions soon, going down the same path as last season is entirely possible. They need a central striker. Arsenal must win another derby with Fulham to consolidate their position.

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Quote from: Popkon6 on December 29, 2023, 03:46:59 AM

Currently the condition of Arsenal team is very sad because their performance is so bad that they lack strikers. Without suitable and experienced strikers in the team, the attacking department cannot attack properly. Arsenal's goals against West Ham United showed that Arsenal were better in attack but could never succeed due to a lack of strikers. So even though Arsenal are a rich club, they currently lack strikers, so I think they need an experienced striker soon.

Arsenal couldn't give their best at their home ground. They missed a few opportunities. Firstly they could reach above the currently leading team Liverpool if they win the match. But that opportunity was missed. Tomas Sosek's goal in the first half was controversial, while in the second half they couldn't stop West Ham. former Arsenal player Konstantinos Mavropanos make goal from a corner and lead to West Ham ahead. But the fact is that Arsenal controlled the ball throughout the match but did not score. And since they did not score, naturally the strikers have to take this responsibility. They need good strikers in their team.

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Tottenham were really horrible against Brighton! I mean especially the first half performances. Tottenham were really desperate against Brighton then. Brighton had so many goal chances in the first half. Tottenham started to attack more in the second half maybe but still they were clueless about how to stop Brighton offense. Sad

Mitoma's absence didn't affect Brighton badly at all. They scored 4 goals in this game which is a new goal record against Tottenham in Brighton history.

In fact Vicario is a really good goalkeeper but he was also desperate in this game. Especially Estupinan's goal was a masterpiece. Grin

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