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Quote from: TelolettOm on September 18, 2023, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 17, 2023, 09:35:05 PM

@klidex while I don’t expect Ten Hag to be sacked just yet but I won’t be surprised if at some stage Manchester United get rid of him because of his ego we only target player’s he’s played with irrespective of the fact whether they’ll be a good fit or not classic example: Anthony.

I think Man United management won't think to sack him in the near future. It won't be easy to find out the proper replacement. They must learn something from Chelsea which never got a proper coach for the team. I'm sure Ten Hag is still good enough for Man United, the problem is the players' quality. Man United have bad quality on the defense line, they also don't have strong striker.

The problem currently facing Manchester United is that too many of their core players are injured, this condition makes Ten Hag a little overwhelmed in forming a solid squad. Due to Manchester United failure to win in several games, Ten Hag is the first person to be blamed, but it is also necessary to review the current condition of the team.
Apart from being hit by player injury problems, Manchester United is also being hit by internal problems. Disharmony between players and coaches can have a negative effect on team performance. Management's trust in coaches has limits, if Ten Hag does not immediately return Manchester United to its best performance, it is very likely that the Manchester United coaching chair will be occupied by someone else.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on September 18, 2023, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 17, 2023, 09:35:05 PM

@klidex while I don’t expect Ten Hag to be sacked just yet but I won’t be surprised if at some stage Manchester United get rid of him because of his ego we only target player’s he’s played with irrespective of the fact whether they’ll be a good fit or not classic example: Anthony.

I think Man United management won't think to sack him in the near future. It won't be easy to find out the proper replacement. They must learn something from Chelsea which never got a proper coach for the team. I'm sure Ten Hag is still good enough for Man United, the problem is the players' quality. Man United have bad quality on the defense line, they also don't have strong striker.

Anyway Antony played quite well for Man United. He is one of the wingers that has a big role. The bad thing of this player is about his attitude, I think Ten Hag know well how to deal with him. Sadly, Antony is suspended now, it is also because of his bad attitude too. He must learn seriously from this case.

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 17, 2023, 09:35:05 PM

Lastly he keeps on speaking of plan’s yet throws the player’s in the fire line instead of accepting the blame for poor tactics and wasn’t he the one who said Manchester United were wrong not to play Donny and look at what he did and while people say that Donny is a flop compare his preseason record vs Mount and you’ll see why Donny was way better yet to satisfy Ten Hag the club bought Mount.

Ten Hag may choose the players that fits with his tactic. I don't want to compare Donny and Mount, both are good players. I think Man United midfielders are good enough, it is still better than their defense line. For me, the main problem of Man United is in their defense. I don't know why they look very weak, they always conceded 3 goals in the last 2 matches (against Arsenal and Brighton).

@TelolettOm fear of not getting a replacement should not stop them from pulling the trigger if Manchester United continue to lose too many game’s but in the short term he’ll survive but can he survive till the end of the season is highly doubtful if such results continue. Furthermore Anthony is not at all good game after game he plays the same way and opposite team’s have long figured out his style and yea Martinez badly need’s Varane to unlock his potential but not sure when Varane will be back.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 17, 2023, 09:35:05 PM

@klidex while I don’t expect Ten Hag to be sacked just yet but I won’t be surprised if at some stage Manchester United get rid of him because of his ego we only target player’s he’s played with irrespective of the fact whether they’ll be a good fit or not classic example: Anthony.

I think Man United management won't think to sack him in the near future. It won't be easy to find out the proper replacement. They must learn something from Chelsea which never got a proper coach for the team. I'm sure Ten Hag is still good enough for Man United, the problem is the players' quality. Man United have bad quality on the defense line, they also don't have strong striker.

Anyway Antony played quite well for Man United. He is one of the wingers that has a big role. The bad thing of this player is about his attitude, I think Ten Hag know well how to deal with him. Sadly, Antony is suspended now, it is also because of his bad attitude too. He must learn seriously from this case.

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 17, 2023, 09:35:05 PM

Lastly he keeps on speaking of plan’s yet throws the player’s in the fire line instead of accepting the blame for poor tactics and wasn’t he the one who said Manchester United were wrong not to play Donny and look at what he did and while people say that Donny is a flop compare his preseason record vs Mount and you’ll see why Donny was way better yet to satisfy Ten Hag the club bought Mount.

Ten Hag may choose the players that fits with his tactic. I don't want to compare Donny and Mount, both are good players. I think Man United midfielders are good enough, it is still better than their defense line. For me, the main problem of Man United is in their defense. I don't know why they look very weak, they always conceded 3 goals in the last 2 matches (against Arsenal and Brighton).

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Quote from: bots1 on September 18, 2023, 02:46:29 AM

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The Chelsea vs Bournemouth match saw plenty of attacking play between the two teams but neither side managed to secure a win rather the match ended in a draw. Although today's match was at Bournemouth's home ground, they still couldn't mount a strong attack against Chelsea which resulted in a draw. In today's match both teams tried enough but they could not win the match with great effort. We know that every team is strong in their own ground but in this match Bournemouth drew a lot against a team that is in good form. Chelsea are 2 points ahead of Bournemouth in the new Premier League season, in table points, but it is difficult to say how well Chelsea will play this season and whether they can reach the top of the points table. However, if Chelsea can perform well, the players will definitely be in a good position.

If you look at Chelsea's game so far, it seems very difficult for Chelsea to get into the Champions League zone next season. Mauricio Pochettino has a very difficult task in building a team, especially since he is only in his first season at Chelsea and Chelsea has completely overhauled the team by bringing in and selling almost all of its players this season. It is not an easy task for a coach to take a team in transition and immediately perform well, especially like Chelsea.

I can't still take positives from chelsea. This club is always showing awful performance. Chelsea keeps drop more points against medriocre club like bournemouth which is a shame for a club who has spend 1 billion to rebuild its club.
There would always be negatives around chelsea which was making the club to play average in EPL. The chelsea players could not even shoot properly. Many of players are actually useless like sterling. I would give jackson a very low rate caused by he was always unable to make proper finishing.
It's hard to find some positives thing from chelsea at this moment. This club is terrible to watch. The boring game play makes it even more horrible to watch. Chelsea has been helping by sanchez caused by he was on fire in the previous game against bournemouth.
Chelsea's squad has no fucken clue about how to build a creative attack. It's always going through crossing the ball. Chelsea needs to learn about how to score through openplay.

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Quote from: flipme on September 18, 2023, 04:13:14 AM

Erik ten Hag has made many of the transfers he wanted but Manchester United are still not at the desired level. In fact, I think the chances of him being sacked are low at the moment,

Manchester United problem is deep, they need a revamp of not just the squad but the management staff, trainers and this can only be possible when Manchester United gets a new owner. After finishing top 3 last season, I expected Erik Teg Hag to build on from last season's success and improve the team but what I'm seeing is quite the opposite and if he doesn't turn things around quickly, his days at Old Trafford are numbered.

United had lesser funds to improve the squad and one area he prioritized was the goalkeeper and how's this working out? I'm not saying that Onana is to be blamed for United's poor performance, but DeGea would have still been in the team and the money spent on Onana should have been utilized in other areas. Even Mason Mount he bought from Chelsea is another scam.

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What a disappointment Chelsea have been so far! They must have spent around 500 million euros for transfers in the last transfer window. Plus they replaced their manager with Pochettino too. But this is still not helping Chelsea even a bit. They can't even defeat Bournemouth while they need to improve their performance.

Nkunku is still injured of course and he will be out for November as far as I know. Jackson is a big disappointment so far and there is a big need of a better striker at the moment.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 18, 2023, 05:21:31 AM

Tottenham have really been awesome so far.

Kane has left the team maybe but they are even much better than last season. The main reason is Ange Postecoglou's good system of course. It looks like Tottenham finally have a manager who managed to improve the teamwork among the players.

I was really glad to see Richarlison making a direct effect on the last match right after he was subbed in too. He was cut from the starting eleven due to his poor effort before. But this effort against Sheffield was amazing.

However there is a really challenging fixture is waiting for Tottenham now. First they are playing vs Arsenal away and right after that vs Liverpol home. Sad

what happened to tottenham this season, it's really mind blowing, even in their last five matches tottenham have not been defeated. facing Sheff Utd a few days ago, Tottenham's performance was really extraordinary, they were able to control the ball up to 71% even though Tottenham's two goals came in the last minute.

Chelsea is one of the big teams that has had poor performance since the start of this season, from their last 5 matches, Chelsea were only able to win 1, draw 2 times and lose 2 times, facing Bournemouth yesterday, Chelsea's attack was really dull, Chelsea's front line was strong. It's really chaotic, Pochettino's arrival doesn't change anything.

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Tottenham have really been awesome so far.

Kane has left the team maybe but they are even much better than last season. The main reason is Ange Postecoglou's good system of course. It looks like Tottenham finally have a manager who managed to improve the teamwork among the players.

I was really glad to see Richarlison making a direct effect on the last match right after he was subbed in too. He was cut from the starting eleven due to his poor effort before. But this effort against Sheffield was amazing.

However there is a really challenging fixture is waiting for Tottenham now. First they are playing vs Arsenal away and right after that vs Liverpol home. Sad

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Quote from: hyudien on September 17, 2023, 08:21:59 AM

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What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League.

Don't be surprised by this result, because Man United deserved this result. You must be aware of all the shortcomings and differences in quality between Man United and Brighton. Just look, since the first goal, the defense provided many gaps, then Rashford became a lazy striker, unable to be creative and having difficulty creating opportunities. Another mistake where Rasmus Hojlund was pulled out when he found a small gap in the opponent. With this defeat, it's quite difficult for me to see what it would be like to play in the UCL against Bayern Munich, even against Galatasaray and Copenhagen it looks like it will be difficult.

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Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

Being fired doesn't mean Man United will be better, apart from Erik Ten Hag, which coach will fix the mess that Erik Ten Hag started? so it's better for the coach to finish what he started. However, at this time it is useless to replace it because it is just a waste of time. Erik Ten Hag just needs to make peace with himself, and also have to get closer personally to the players, return to their respective points of consciousness and try to build a sense of family within the Man United camp.

There should be a manu-specific transfer committee and they should have all the power in their hands. The squad has become a soup by bringing in a succession of irrelevant coaches, is this new? No. The soup keeps being stirred. It took years to clean up the garbage that came with van gaal. Now ten hag's garbage has taken over. Antony (transferred for 90-100 million euros, ten hag's special request), he is a good tackler, he scores 2-3 generic goals a year with the inside of his foot into the opposite corner and that's it. He's also mentally defective, which has recently become a matter of debate with allegations. It was a coincidence and really pathetic that in the last moments of the arsenal game they finished the game with the duo maguire-evans in defense. Look at the club that once followed cristiano ronaldo from the age of 11 and bought him at 17.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 17, 2023, 08:26:29 AM

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Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

Not yet but he’s heading that way if they don’t start getting positive results, fast.

Ten Hag has spent close to £400,000,000 since being there and they look further than ever away from competing for the PL and CL.

United and Chelsea, the direction they are going. Have become a prime example of "Your problems don't get solved, if you throw money at it". You need to work on team composition and get managed accordingly. The players don't look motivated to be playing for their clubs. All happily jogging around on high wages and long term contracts. Can literally just sit on the bench and get overpaid to just cheer. and probably what the players are aspiring for, from the looks of it.

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Quote from: bots1 on September 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League. Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

Erik ten Hag has made many of the transfers he wanted but Manchester United are still not at the desired level. In fact, I think the chances of him being sacked are low at the moment, but they are in the same group in the Champions League with Bayern Munich, Galatasaray and Copenhagen. If Galatasaray pulls off a surprise and manages to beat Manchester United and finish second in the group, the danger bells will start ringing for Etik ten Hag. However, it is too early to talk about that. I think they are in a temporary period and in a few weeks they will start playing better. Once they solve their defensive problems I think they will start to get better results.

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Quote from: bots1 on September 18, 2023, 02:46:29 AM

If you look at Chelsea's game so far, it seems very difficult for Chelsea to get into the Champions League zone next season. Mauricio Pochettino has a very difficult task in building a team, especially since he is only in his first season at Chelsea and Chelsea has completely overhauled the team by bringing in and selling almost all of its players this season. It is not an easy task for a coach to take a team in transition and immediately perform well, especially like Chelsea.

Pochettino has not been able to give his best since he was entrusted as Chelsea coach, one win, two draws and two defeats is not a good achievement for a team that has spent large amounts of money to bring in players in the transfer market. A complete overhaul has not been able to help Chelsea enter the Champions League zone, due to losing many points in the last five matches, Chelsea is still stuck in 14th position with 5 points.

Pochettino's task became even more difficult after he was unable to get full points at Bournemouth headquarters. In the next match, Chelsea will face Aston Villa, who are stronger than Bournemouth. Pochettino doesn't have much time left to return Chelsea to its best form, if he fails in the next few matches, perhaps management will immediately take decisive action by sacking him immediately.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on September 17, 2023, 11:51:39 AM

The Chelsea vs Bournemouth match saw plenty of attacking play between the two teams but neither side managed to secure a win rather the match ended in a draw. Although today's match was at Bournemouth's home ground, they still couldn't mount a strong attack against Chelsea which resulted in a draw. In today's match both teams tried enough but they could not win the match with great effort. We know that every team is strong in their own ground but in this match Bournemouth drew a lot against a team that is in good form. Chelsea are 2 points ahead of Bournemouth in the new Premier League season, in table points, but it is difficult to say how well Chelsea will play this season and whether they can reach the top of the points table. However, if Chelsea can perform well, the players will definitely be in a good position.

If you look at Chelsea's game so far, it seems very difficult for Chelsea to get into the Champions League zone next season. Mauricio Pochettino has a very difficult task in building a team, especially since he is only in his first season at Chelsea and Chelsea has completely overhauled the team by bringing in and selling almost all of its players this season. It is not an easy task for a coach to take a team in transition and immediately perform well, especially like Chelsea.

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Quote from: klidex on September 17, 2023, 02:14:36 PM

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What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League. Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

It's very sad that Manchester United's current situation is because it has lost its performance, it's not like it used to be and I won't blame anyone here because previously I read other people's predictions saying Manchester United will lose this match when they host Brighton because United is in a bad condition when there are several problems that make performance unstable and we can't just blame coach Erik Ten Hag because as a coach he has certainly given his best to the club and his players but if that can't be accepted by his players then the coach can't do anything and if Ten Hag always being bullied and blamed when given a warning to be fired, it would be better to resign than to always be blamed when United's performance drops drastically.

Manchester United management has spent large transfer fees this season by bringing in players who match Erik Ten Hag's wishes but Ten Hag has been unable to develop the player's talent. Even Erik Ten Hag's style of play did not develop as expected when he first arrived at Man United. Even though the players brought in by Erik Ten Hag cost a lot of money, when playing at Man United Erik Ten Hag was unable to maximize the player's potential.

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Quote from: klidex on September 17, 2023, 02:14:36 PM

Quote from: bots1 on September 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League. Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

It's very sad that Manchester United's current situation is because it has lost its performance, it's not like it used to be and I won't blame anyone here because previously I read other people's predictions saying Manchester United will lose this match when they host Brighton because United is in a bad condition when there are several problems that make performance unstable and we can't just blame coach Erik Ten Hag because as a coach he has certainly given his best to the club and his players but if that can't be accepted by his players then the coach can't do anything and if Ten Hag always being bullied and blamed when given a warning to be fired, it would be better to resign than to always be blamed when United's performance drops drastically.

@klidex while I don’t expect Ten Hag to be sacked just yet but I won’t be surprised if at some stage Manchester United get rid of him because of his ego we only target player’s he’s played with irrespective of the fact whether they’ll be a good fit or not classic example: Anthony.

Lastly he keeps on speaking of plan’s yet throws the player’s in the fire line instead of accepting the blame for poor tactics and wasn’t he the one who said Manchester United were wrong not to play Donny and look at what he did and while people say that Donny is a flop compare his preseason record vs Mount and you’ll see why Donny was way better yet to satisfy Ten Hag the club bought Mount.

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Quote from: bots1 on September 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League. Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

It's very sad that Manchester United's current situation is because it has lost its performance, it's not like it used to be and I won't blame anyone here because previously I read other people's predictions saying Manchester United will lose this match when they host Brighton because United is in a bad condition when there are several problems that make performance unstable and we can't just blame coach Erik Ten Hag because as a coach he has certainly given his best to the club and his players but if that can't be accepted by his players then the coach can't do anything and if Ten Hag always being bullied and blamed when given a warning to be fired, it would be better to resign than to always be blamed when United's performance drops drastically.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on September 17, 2023, 11:51:39 AM

The Chelsea vs Bournemouth match saw plenty of attacking play between the two teams but neither side managed to secure a win rather the match ended in a draw. Although today's match was at Bournemouth's home ground, they still couldn't mount a strong attack against Chelsea which resulted in a draw. In today's match both teams tried enough but they could not win the match with great effort. We know that every team is strong in their own ground but in this match Bournemouth drew a lot against a team that is in good form. Chelsea are 2 points ahead of Bournemouth in the new Premier League season, in table points, but it is difficult to say how well Chelsea will play this season and whether they can reach the top of the points table. However, if Chelsea can perform well, the players will definitely be in a good position.

Lol, not all teams can play strongly and well even if they play at home, because only the factor of playing at home basically cannot be a complete guarantee for the team to be able to get good results. After all, if for example the away team has better quality and performance too, then in the end the away team will be able to get full points. But unfortunately, about Chelsea in this moment that does not have a good performance, then of course a draw result like this is also still a good result for them, because they share points to get 1 point in this match, at least not losing.

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Quote from: bots1 on September 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League. Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

Erik ten Hag is really a bit of a failure at Manchester United but we have to accept that he doesn't have an easy task.

Honestly, I want him to stay in charge because as long as he is at Manchester United, Manchester City will become champions more easily. Hhaahh hahah joke joke, just a joke. In the old days clubs used to give more chances to managers. Ferguson didn't win a trophy in his first 5 seasons at Manchester United. Arsene Wenger didn't win trophies for years at Arsenal. We can increase these examples. I think Manchester United should stand behind him. There is no success where there is no stability.

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The Chelsea vs Bournemouth match saw plenty of attacking play between the two teams but neither side managed to secure a win rather the match ended in a draw. Although today's match was at Bournemouth's home ground, they still couldn't mount a strong attack against Chelsea which resulted in a draw. In today's match both teams tried enough but they could not win the match with great effort. We know that every team is strong in their own ground but in this match Bournemouth drew a lot against a team that is in good form. Chelsea are 2 points ahead of Bournemouth in the new Premier League season, in table points, but it is difficult to say how well Chelsea will play this season and whether they can reach the top of the points table. However, if Chelsea can perform well, the players will definitely be in a good position.

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Quote from: hyudien on September 17, 2023, 08:21:59 AM

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What happened to Manchester United? As a Manchester United fan, I am very frustrated watching this match. Playing at home, MU was badly humiliated by Brighton. Manchester United have lost twice in a row after falling at home to Arsenal also with the same score 3-1 before the international break. This was MU's third defeat in just the first five matches in the Premier League.

Don't be surprised by this result, because Man United deserved this result. You must be aware of all the shortcomings and differences in quality between Man United and Brighton. Just look, since the first goal, the defense provided many gaps, then Rashford became a lazy striker, unable to be creative and having difficulty creating opportunities. Another mistake where Rasmus Hojlund was pulled out when he found a small gap in the opponent. With this defeat, it's quite difficult for me to see what it would be like to play in the UCL against Bayern Munich, even against Galatasaray and Copenhagen it looks like it will be difficult.

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Is it appropriate for Erik ten Hag to be fired from his position as coach?

Being fired doesn't mean Man United will be better, apart from Erik Ten Hag, which coach will fix the mess that Erik Ten Hag started? so it's better for the coach to finish what he started. However, at this time it is useless to replace it because it is just a waste of time. Erik Ten Hag just needs to make peace with himself, and also have to get closer personally to the players, return to their respective points of consciousness and try to build a sense of family within the Man United camp.

Erik Ten Hag deserves the blame as the coach he will be responsible for this result. In last night's match, Erik Ten Hag had very little strategy in developing the game, especially when he withdrew Casemiro, which was the wrong decision because Casemiro's role was very central as a defensive midfielder. This can be seen when Casemiro was pulled out. Man United's midfield was very fragile, making Brighton's players dominant in controlling the midfield, making it easier for Brighton's players to plan attacks. Erik Ten Hag must immediately improve and must also find the right strategy because the next match is against Bayern Munich in the Champions League, which incidentally is a strong opponent. If things don't improve immediately, it is not impossible that Man United will be slaughtered again by Bayern Munich.

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