Topic: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ - page 76. (Read 77418 times)

Why you are so surprising with this defeat?
I think it is not surprised that Bournemouth could defeat Man United. You can see that Bournemouth has a higher rank in the table and their perfomance look more established than Man United in this season. Moreover, you need to see that Amorim lets lord Maguire to play full-time. Everyone must know that Maguire is always a weak part of Man United squad. It is a too bad decision to trust him playing until the end of the match. Well, Amorim needs to know deeply the capacity of each Man United players.

Yep. They are in the 13th place. In the last 5 matches, they already got 3 defeats. I think we can't expect much on Amorim, he seems not better than Van Nistelrooy. I don't understand that Amorim sometimes force a new formation and a new tactic for Man United team. He must know that he should adjust the formation and tactic with the capability of their players.

This is not correct at all. A coach is responsible for how his team plays. This doesn't mean the coach can win trophies with mediocre players, it means a good coach needs good players. I don't understand why people try to make it seem like it is just one or the other.
Take a photographer and a camera, for example, A good photographer with a bad camera will only do so much. An average photographer with the best camera might take better photos than him, but if you give a good photographer the best camera, he'll give you the best pictures you've ever seen.

My point is, don't try to undermine a coach's influence on a team, everything revolves around him. Pep's team is suffering now doesn't mean he's a bad coach or the coach has no role to play in the results of games.
If you say good players that know what they're doing can win games and trophies without the coach then I will show you a PSG that had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar but couldn't win anything.
Mourinho got sacked from a team that had arguably the best Madrid team in history. By your logic, he should have won the treble in his time there.
The manager is very necessary but no matter how good a manager is, he needs good players to succeed because poor players won't be able to give him what he asks. They're not intelligent, talented and hardworking enough to make the coach's ideas a reality.


Two truths can exist and I have been saying it since.
Eric Ten Hag was a bad coach and the Manchester United squad is average.
I don't know if Amorim is up to the task of coaching Manchester United but I know sacking Ten Hag was not a bad decision. He was clueless and his team played very badly. If its by the players alone then a team like Bournemouth shouldn't be able to win Manchester United because me and you will agree that the players in Bounermouth are not better than the players in Manchester United.

This is actually what we classify as title contenders, the total goal today in the game was really something no one expected, the results where already predicted in favor of Liverpool but three goals margin was a lot.

Maresca might really be honest when he said they were no contender for the title, a draw against Everton won't have introduced any better to help them compete for the title meanwhile a supposed contender like Liverpool are topping tough opponent with three goals difference. Chelsea are not ready fo the title race, neither is United also trying to raise themselves, I feel very sorry yet for Amorim and his management with these worst results.

Yes it is surprising but look at Bournemouth's performance in several matches they have played where they performed quite well and what is surprising from this match of course there was no reply goal from the host. Being humiliated in front of the fans is certainly very disappointing but Manchester United's performance is really not too good because their defense is so bad and there is also no deadly attack power that they do.

Manchester United under Amorim still needs time to find their best form and this winter transfer window must be utilized as well as possible to overhaul the team so that their performance can be better in the second half of the season. Manchester United is still stuck in 13th place and it seems it will be quite difficult for them to redeem the top 4 ranking this season.

Losing with a fairly heavy score at Old Trafford where they controlled the course of the match was clearly very disappointing for Manchester United.
They tried to create a scheme where they wanted to do some dominance in midfield so that the quality of their attacks was maintained but they did not pay attention to the defense where they only focused on the territory but did not focus on marking the opponent which made Manchester United lose momentum and we can see that 2 of the 3 goals that were created were the fault of the defenders who did not pay attention or did not mark the Bournemouth players properly.

This is clearly disappointing and I don't think anyone expected them to lose their own game but at the end of the day this clearly has to be a lesson for Amorim so that even though they try offensive schemes but they also have to think about the worst possibilities like this. Losing with a fairly heavy score at Old Trafford where they controlled the course of the match was clearly very disappointing for Manchester United.

I never expected Manchester United to lose to Bournemouth, I was expecting the match to be an easy win for Manchester United, but even after dominating the match and having so many goal attempts, Manchester United couldn’t get a goal in the match, and they ended up conceding 3 goals in the match, which I never expected, because I was thinking Manchester United would be able to get a win in the match, but they couldn’t.

After losing today, Manchester United is maintaining their 13th position. It’s just embarrassing to see Manchester United in that position, and from the look of things, I don’t think they will be leaving that position soon.

Man city's defense is a mess... They have really been reluctant this season and that would be the last thing I'd expect from a team that has won the league 6 times under the same manager. Pep doesn't wanna give up so easily; on one of his interviews, he literally tore himself with his finger nails and when he was asked the reasons why, He said he wanted to hurt himself! Truth is, IRL, we'll always experience UPs and DOWNs  and nobody should hate the process of unlearning. TBH, I never thought city would lose to Aston Villa.

Mohamed Salah's contribution is so great that he is one of the most active players in destroying the opponent's defense. Arne slot of course continues to praise Salah because he always performs well this season, Liverpool is in good form both in the Premier League and also in the Champions League. Defeating Tottenham with a big score is certainly important proof that they are ready to become champions this season. Liverpool is so comfortable at the top of the standings and they also still have one match postponed and that is a good opportunity they have.

For Tottenham of course their defense line is so bad in today's match that Liverpool was able to pressure them from the start. Both teams played quite well because they attacked each other and it was indeed too difficult for Tottenham to catch up because Liverpool could score many goals. Salah was able to score two goals and even an additional two goals made him the player who occupied the top scorer ranking temporarily.

Liverpool no doubt have certainly shown their resilience in the premier league this season and this season everything seems to be working according to their way as their rivals which is supposed to actually cause a scare for them is in deep shambles as they have continually lost form and seem to be heading the wrong way the more they try. Liverpool have certainly shown that kloop isn't the reason for their excellent play as they have still shown same excellent in their gameplay.

I'm really disappointed with Manchester United's defeat at home, it's really not the result I expected against a team like Bournemouth. Not to underestimate Bournemouth, but Manchester United failed with many opportunities in front of goal. Everton vs Chelsea drew goalless, while Tottenham, who previously won 4-3 against Manchester United, also suffered a 3-6 home defeat against Liverpool.

Liverpool are increasingly unable to be caught up with their impressive performances. Salah and Luis Diaz both scored 2 goals in this away match, while Alister and Dominik Szoboszlai scored 1 goal each. Salah has acquired the top position in the top scorer standings for a while, he has surpassed Haaland's total goals of 13 goals. Salah's form has been really good this season and he is one player who is very difficult to stop.

Moh Sallah has been very incredible for Liverpool this season, he has been the one man that keep leading the team to success always so far this season, he is one of the reason we are all seeing Arne Slot as a perfect manager because he is a good leader that leads the team and he always deliver when they needed an experience player in any match.
Without Moh Sallah, I don’t think Liverpool can still be leading the Premier League table by now because if you remove his goals and assists, the team will be left with nothing because he has been the player that has been saving them in several matches.

However, the teamwork is there and Arne Slot has done really well to keep and maintain the momentum of the team despite joining them during the preseason; I am very sure they can try their luck to win the league but it will be difficult because just as Arsenal and Manchester City face injury and some uncertain performances, Liverpool’s time will also come.

Huge day for Liverpool today.
Not only for the 6 goal scored against Spurs but also for the draw between Everton and Chelsea-

After 2 consecutive draws they are back winning and gaining points agains their opponents.

This year can be the 1st year with a title after Klopp, it will be huge or Klopp has been overestimated?

I don’t believe in this 100% thing for all the players. There are two different types of players in my own opinion in respect to this subject matter. There are players who are 100 percent in control of their performance as well as the  accountability whereas there are players who require the assistance of the coach to perform to the fullest. The coach becomes their confidence in matches even though they got the skills and the talent. Players have individual differences and how they participate in a gameplay regardless of the position they play.

Sometimes the coach also contributes to the hindrance in performance of some players. For those players who require that morale booster to exhibit their full potentials often gets affected by the behavior of the coach towards them directly or indirectly to the team.

I love the way everyone is coming to realization that players are 100% the result of what they get and not what the coach do. Atimes, the coach ways of positioning the players might not be the best but players that understand the game will do well regardless, this is what Manchester City players failed to realize and there is absolutely nothing Guardiola can do like you just said, flush out those who are not capable by January and bring new ones or bench them until they become serious.

Similarly, this was the same situation of Manchester United but then again, they frustrated Ten Hag of not doing his job and now, Amorim is stuck between not been a serious person and the man try so hard to put the team in a best place as possible but it's like one way success, they get applaud today and tomorrow performance makes them look like a relegated team, nothing to show in the end because they never even move on the table.

Mohammed Salah's performance for Liverpool this season have been outstanding but looking at the statistics, his contribution to the club in the last 9 league games is insanely ridiculous if you ask me. In the last English Premier League games, the Egyptian have been able to record 16 goals contributions.
Liverpool management needs to act fast and secure the future of Mohammed Salah or risk losing him for absolutely free in the summer when his contract with the club will expire.

So, what's your solution? They can't really keep to miss three points in any game. The problem was not on their coach, but their team. Look at how terrible they are in mid and defense. I have been consistently watching their game and no impact from Pep's rotation.

You'r right about it wouldn't make sense for Pep going away from this situation, but there has to be a solution to fix it asap. The only solution is getting rid of old players, then bring new capable players in.

i think everyone have to accept it, they have a hand in it because they would never have been zero if they had played well.  Liverpool will play well because they are strong but they have drawn and lost a few matches recently so it can be assumed that they will be under pressure from Chelsea. A lot of interest and effort will be seen in the match between them. There was a match played between these two earlier in which Chelsea beat Liverpool so it will not be difficult to beat them this time as well.

woo surprising Results for today's matches as there where two goalless draw with two wins that needed in a 3:0 victory for Bournemouth and Wolves it looks suspicious and it's more like a coincidence as the games will end this way but it a good recent

I agree with what you said, indeed the situation of Manchester City this season is very worrying due to their slump in form both in the league and the UCL, losing Rodri has affected their performance so far, especially yesterday they suffered another defeat and make their position very difficult in the Premier League standings, but their current slump in my opinion will not affect Guardiola's position as a coach.  Because after all, it will be more difficult for Manchester City to find a better coach than Guardiola if he fired later, than to find a replacement for Rodri which injuries now .

Arsenal bounced back after their previous games failed to win over Everton and Fulham in the EPL, victory over Crystal Palace keeps them still can to compete with Liverpool and Chelsea in the title race this season.

The results of a surprising match today,

Everton vs Chelsea 0-0
Man United vs Bournemouth 0-3
Fulham vs Southampton 0-0
Leicester vs Wolves 0-3

The 4 teams that are favored appear outside our predictions such as Chelsea experienced a draw without a score, Man United lost at home, Fulham as the host could not score and Leicester that was confused at home.
It was truly a very surprising weekend and the bettors hated with results like this.
Will the Spurs vs Liverpool match also end in a draw?