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Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 11:13:21 PM

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Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.

Yes, what Manchester United is doing now is trying to repeat past successes like those achieved in the Alex Ferguson era, but their efforts continue to fail. It must be admitted, it is very difficult for any coach to repeat the success that Ferguson achieved in the past. Ruben Amorim job at Manchester United is not as easy as when he was in charge of Sporting, he has to start something that was destroyed with Ten Hag, plus the competition in the EPL is very competitive. A squad overhaul might happen after he starts his stint there, I think the Management should give Amorim time and support to show his worth.

Manchester United has made several coach changes to be able to achieve success like the Ferguson era, but in fact none of these coaches have been able to do it so far, Amorim is a coach who has great potential if we look at his experience and also his ability to train so far, but setting the success of the Ferguson era as a benchmark of success of course he will not be able to achieve or match it, Ferguson has done a lot and made tremendous contributions to Manchester United over the years and surpassing all his legacy will of course be impossible for any coach today, I think the current Manchester United fans and management should not set the standard of Ferguson success for Amorim because precisely it will only burden him and the squad, so in the end it will make him fail in building a better Manchester United later.

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Quote from: Odusko on November 01, 2024, 02:08:05 PM

Update on tomorrow games lineups in the premier league Asernal, Manchester city and Liverpool are all on the line up tomorrow and if we take into account last week games outcome and how this club's played against other smaller club but with with stive resistance from those clubs, this can possibly be another weekend that will be full of surprises for this club's if care is not taking.

Although Liverpool topping the league table right now is going to be a motivation for them when playing against Brighton tomorrow, so for a bet I can give Liverpool a straight winning in the match tomorrow.

Today's match is going to be tough especially, the game of Arsenal against Newcastle, Newcastle has been a tough opponent this season and if we look at their last match against Chelsea we will know that they are a very strong team, although the league that Newcastle defeat Chelsea is not Premier League but defeat is always a defeat and from the performance we all see that Newcastle is a strong opponent, Newcastle is going to pay in their home which will make them feel comfortable when playing against Arsenal. Newcastle is going to be strong because they are playing in their home but no matter how strong they are Arsenal will make sure they have a point in the game, the Arsenal team played well in their last matches against Liverpool showing that they can still fight for the league title.

The next game that I think will be tough is the game of Manchester City against Bournemouth, Bournemouth is not that strong a team when they play in their opponent's home but when they play in their stadium they look very strong and they don't allow the opponents to score a goal and Manchester City team is not complete because many of their key players are injured and we can see that in last matches.

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Quote from: MainIbem on November 02, 2024, 06:26:06 AM

It's very obvious that Arsenal have been struggling to win matches lately and i think that they might still struggle against Newcastle even as favorites to win the game, Newcastle are not just any team that can easily be defeated they know how to pressure the big boys and they're do it today against Arsenal. Newcastle have their fans to their advantage cause they're the hosting team but in terms of performance Arsenal would perform better and would get more chances to goal, it's a good thing for then that their best player Bukoya Saka is back and that's boost to their attack, Saka is a very good ballers and creates lots of chances for Arsenal and since he's returned and in a good form, their are chances that he'll score or assist against Newcastle today. Mikel Arteta won't take chances, they're 5 points below Manchester City and a win is needed in the match to help close the gap else the gap would get bigger if they lose today.

I quite agree that Arsenal have been struggling lately because there is no much force in the team like it was before and matches they can easily win or have advantage of winning they will either end up losing or ending in draw. Newcastle is an average team in the premier league and we currently saw how they they won Chelsea in the EFL cup they played during the midweek even though Chelsea also won them in their premier league meeting last weekend but i see great strength of competition in the Newcastle team of which if they show same energy in their match against Arsenal today, it may not really be easy for Arsenal. I think if Arsenal should rekindle their title hope this season; their match against Newcastle today should be taken of high priority because if they are unable to win Newcastle, they might be left with a huge gap between them and the league Leaders. It's good to see Bukayo Saka back for the gunners and i believe they can win Newcastle united with combative efforts from the team.

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Arsenal must win if they still want to be top-standing, and Newcastle also will not let Arsenal in easily on their home, This match will certainly be very interesting to watch when we look at their motivation to be in top top-standing premier league. both teams will appear very confident because defeating their opponent in the Carabao Cup. Especially Newcastle, because they are able to revenge a big team, Chelsea. Newcastle is not so good in the premier league, they never have won in the last 5 matches and I think they will fix their position immediately at their home. While Arsenal, they have motivation to reduce the distance between Manchester City and Liverpool. But, there could be a surprise from the host if we look at how unstable Arsenal's performance is because many core players were injured.

Arsenal need to get back to winning ways immediately. Otherwise, Liverpool and Manchester City will leave them behind in the title race.
With inconsistent performance and increasing injuries, Arsenal will certainly face difficulties the next time they visit Newcastle. But at least, in terms of system and play, Arsenal are still operating well. In the match against Liverpool, they played well and were only lucky not to get 3 points. Saka's return also immediately helped the Gunners' attacking ability improve a lot. Mikel Arteta and his players need to try to win three points at St James' Park to help them close the gap with Liverpool to one point and just two points behind leaders Manchester City.

It's very obvious that Arsenal have been struggling to win matches lately and i think that they might still struggle against Newcastle even as favorites to win the game, Newcastle are not just any team that can easily be defeated they know how to pressure the big boys and they're do it today against Arsenal. Newcastle have their fans to their advantage cause they're the hosting team but in terms of performance Arsenal would perform better and would get more chances to goal, it's a good thing for then that their best player Bukoya Saka is back and that's boost to their attack, Saka is a very good ballers and creates lots of chances for Arsenal and since he's returned and in a good form, their are chances that he'll score or assist against Newcastle today. Mikel Arteta won't take chances, they're 5 points below Manchester City and a win is needed in the match to help close the gap else the gap would get bigger if they lose today.

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After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?

Manchester United is one of the top clubs in English football. Historically, it has been difficult for Chelsea to secure wins against them. I'm not surprised that bookmakers are offering similar odds, considering the fierce history between the two clubs. I believe Manchester United will have a slight advantage over Chelsea, especially as the players will be motivated to win for their interim manager, Ruud van Nistelrooy and secure their spot in the team.

We can't use the past results of Chelsea vs. Manchester United to predict the upcoming game. Things have been changing a lot. I know, Manchester United always did well against the blues at Old Trafford. But statistically, Chelsea is well prepared than them.

that's enough to assume if Chelsea is a bit better than Manchester United at this moment. Importantly, Chelsea has had fewer injuries than Manchester United. So, I'm optimistic Chelsea will win soon. In Maresca we trust!

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Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 11:13:21 PM

Yes, what Manchester United is doing now is trying to repeat past successes like those achieved in the Alex Ferguson era, but their efforts continue to fail. It must be admitted, it is very difficult for any coach to repeat the success that Ferguson achieved in the past. Ruben Amorim job at Manchester United is not as easy as when he was in charge of Sporting, he has to start something that was destroyed with Ten Hag, plus the competition in the EPL is very competitive. A squad overhaul might happen after he starts his stint there, I think the Management should give Amorim time and support to show his worth.

They have been doing very differently since retirement of Sir. Alex Ferguson from many management aspects, from coach to players, so it's logic that they have yet achieved similar success like they got in several decades with Sir. Alex Ferguson.

They are not repeating what they did and got with Sir. Alex Ferguson, and no signal that they are going back. Their club owner shown that they are ready to spend huge money for the club, but their management strategies are not good and sustainable enough for success. They are fluctuating in their strategies and choices on young and old but experienced coaches, same with players.

Hiring Ruben Amorim, a very young coach, is another risky management decision from Manchester United.

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Quote from: yudi09 on November 01, 2024, 04:31:52 AM

Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 03:33:06 AM

Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.

Yes, what Manchester United is doing now is trying to repeat past successes like those achieved in the Alex Ferguson era, but their efforts continue to fail. It must be admitted, it is very difficult for any coach to repeat the success that Ferguson achieved in the past. Ruben Amorim job at Manchester United is not as easy as when he was in charge of Sporting, he has to start something that was destroyed with Ten Hag, plus the competition in the EPL is very competitive. A squad overhaul might happen after he starts his stint there, I think the Management should give Amorim time and support to show his worth.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 01, 2024, 07:02:10 PM

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Newcastle will face Arsenal at home and for the Gunnurs this can be a critical game for the entire season.

Arsenal must win if they still want to be top-standing, and Newcastle also will not let Arsenal in easily on their home, This match will certainly be very interesting to watch when we look at their motivation to be in top top-standing premier league. both teams will appear very confident because defeating their opponent in the Carabao Cup. Especially Newcastle, because they are able to revenge a big team, Chelsea. Newcastle is not so good in the premier league, they never have won in the last 5 matches and I think they will fix their position immediately at their home. While Arsenal, they have motivation to reduce the distance between Manchester City and Liverpool. But, there could be a surprise from the host if we look at how unstable Arsenal's performance is because many core players were injured.

Arsenal need to get back to winning ways immediately. Otherwise, Liverpool and Manchester City will leave them behind in the title race.
With inconsistent performance and increasing injuries, Arsenal will certainly face difficulties the next time they visit Newcastle. But at least, in terms of system and play, Arsenal are still operating well. In the match against Liverpool, they played well and were only lucky not to get 3 points. Saka's return also immediately helped the Gunners' attacking ability improve a lot. Mikel Arteta and his players need to try to win three points at St James' Park to help them close the gap with Liverpool to one point and just two points behind leaders Manchester City.

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Newcastle will face Arsenal at home and for the Gunnurs this can be a critical game for the entire season.

Arsenal must win if they still want to be top-standing, and Newcastle also will not let Arsenal in easily on their home, This match will certainly be very interesting to watch when we look at their motivation to be in top top-standing premier league. both teams will appear very confident because defeating their opponent in the Carabao Cup. Especially Newcastle, because they are able to revenge a big team, Chelsea. Newcastle is not so good in the premier league, they never have won in the last 5 matches and I think they will fix their position immediately at their home. While Arsenal, they have motivation to reduce the distance between Manchester City and Liverpool. But, there could be a surprise from the host if we look at how unstable Arsenal's performance is because many core players were injured.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 01, 2024, 01:23:57 AM

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Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up. Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea, losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford. It could most likely be a 2-0 game.

That is indeed the most likely to be done especially seeing the conditions that occur now for the two clubs, it is actually the most appropriate to do this bet especially with the two clubs that are actually still quite good at attacking but their defense is sometimes not maintained.

But in this case I think it will be more challenging if it is in the under 3 because seeing from the odds for the two clubs to score actually for me personally is still not too worth it to do even though it can still be if you want to combine with multi in several other matches.

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Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up. Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea, losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford. It could most likely be a 2-0 game.

Manchester United are going to take on Chelsea on November 3. When the match between Manchester United and Chelsea takes place, it will undoubtedly be a very competitive match for both the teams. Manchester United have not performed well in the last few matches but they have done well in the last Premier League match and they secured a big win there so will definitely want to carry that confidence into the match against Chelsea. It is difficult to predict which team will win between Chelsea and Manchester United, but since Manchester United has attacked well in the last match, it may be the right decision to bet on Manchester United. But I would refrain from betting on this match as the two teams are almost equally performing so anything can happen here.

Of course the toughest game will be played between Manchester United and Chelsea, even though the two teams are very close. Because the two teams have almost equal gamblers in terms of betting, but Chelsea team will have more chances to win this match. Manchester United have managed to win just one match in a row, with their margin of victory narrow. However, the Chelsea team has performed much better in most matches, and their performances so far are still up for grabs. But the style of play of Manchester United team has changed because of some mistakes of Manchester United team in the past, they have fallen to this fate today.

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Quote from: yudi09 on November 01, 2024, 04:31:52 AM

Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 03:33:06 AM

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Sir Alex Ferguson is the past and the past is only a story. What is important is the present and the future.
A series of names of coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson can indeed be considered to have failed in achieving the desired targets. For me, when the shadow of the past story is always a benchmark, then it is burdensome for the coach's psychology.

Ruben Amorim could be one of the coaches who will be challenged to reap success at Old Trafford, I hope so, but I doubt it and it is likely that his fate will be the same if the past story continues to be used as a target. It's okay, but it has to be realistic.

Whoever the coach is, as long as Manchester United's squad is not improved significantly, failure will always haunt them. It will not be easy at all to stop Manchester City's dominance in the Premier League and every team competing will admit that. If Manchester United want to win the title with their new coach, then they must ensure that their squad is better than Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester City.

So in essence, lowering expectations for Manchester United is good advice for all fans. They don't need to expect much from the new coach and the existing squad, but they just need to hope that one day this team will compete again when the squad is really better than the current top 3 teams.

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Quote from: mamesso on November 01, 2024, 03:33:06 AM

Manchester United identity has changed completely since Alex Ferguson decided to retire in 2013. Eight managers (three of them interim managers) have been chosen as Ferguson's successors, but all of them ended in failure, including Mourinho who managed to deliver the Europa League and FA Cup titles. Now Rúben Amorim is trying his luck at Old Trafford, he will make his debut on November 24 against Ipswich Town. MU contracted him until June 2027, they also had to pay €10 million as his release clause from Sporting.

You can't compare the players Ferguson used to play Manchester United to these ones, I think that was when he had Manchester United in their peak time and those players are beast. The players we are having now are more of entertainers making huge allocation of weekly money yet couldn't win anything and we blame coaches for their error, it's not like the coach will be on the pitch, his own is to give instructions how they should play and wait for them to do as addressed.

Didn't you see how Manchester United finish Leicester City in their last match, are we going to just blame the coach. Some people were saying that it's because Erik didn't do this and that and didn't do good formation and I compare it with the last match they played against Westham and there isn't much difference in the starting, it's just players effort that change and I think it was deliberately done, those guys don't just like Erik and it's obvious.

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Update on tomorrow games lineups in the premier league Asernal, Manchester city and Liverpool are all on the line up tomorrow and if we take into account last week games outcome and how this club's played against other smaller club but with with stive resistance from those clubs, this can possibly be another weekend that will be full of surprises for this club's if care is not taking.

Although Liverpool topping the league table right now is going to be a motivation for them when playing against Brighton tomorrow, so for a bet I can give Liverpool a straight winning in the match tomorrow.

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Quote from: len01 on October 31, 2024, 09:36:02 AM

After reading the many praises given to Man United and also the pride of Ten Hag dismissal which gave a positive result in yesterday's match, do you have confidence in the upcoming match that Man United can win against Chelsea? Even the bookmakers give the same odds between MU and Chelsea. Do you have a prediction in this match?

Manchester United is one of the top clubs in English football. Historically, it has been difficult for Chelsea to secure wins against them. I'm not surprised that bookmakers are offering similar odds, considering the fierce history between the two clubs. I believe Manchester United will have a slight advantage over Chelsea, especially as the players will be motivated to win for their interim manager, Ruud van Nistelrooy and secure their spot in the team.

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Another big game tomorrow.
Newcastle will face Arsenal at home and for the Gunnurs this can be a critical game for the entire season.
Liverpool should have ann easy game at mone against Brighton, as for Manchester City but this time in an away game.

2 interesting games also will happen Manchester United vs Chelsea and anything can happen here, and the second came Spurs vs Aston Villa with Imho, Aston Villa having an advantage.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2024, 11:56:33 AM

I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

I believe Mourinho was the most successful manager among the names you mentioned.I think Manchester United rushed in dismissing him.If Mourinho had been given as much time and transfer budget as Ten Hag, Manchester United would be in the title race right now. Amorim is a manager I admire, but I doubt whether he can bring Manchester United back to its former glory.

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Quote from: Lidger on October 31, 2024, 11:42:53 PM

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I think Amorim is a good appointment for United but they have been employing different managers for 10 years since Ferguson and failed. Mourinho, LVG, Ten Hag are all multiple title winners but haven’t been great for Man Utd.

Can Amorim return them to their former glories? I have my doubts but like the others before him, he will be backed in the transfer market.

Manchester United have hired and fired several managers at their club in the last few seasons for success but none of the managers have achieved anything good for Manchester United. Recently Manchester United sacked Ten Hag although the manager was given enough time to prove himself before the sacking but even after that time the manager was never able to do anything good for Manchester United.

Now there are many rumors about who will be the next manager of Manchester United and many names of managers are coming in all these rumors but in the end it is certain which manager will take over the responsibility of Manchester United but no news has been received. Whoever takes charge of Manchester United will first try to groom the team and then prepare the team for the big matches.

Since Ferguson retirement, no coach has been able to bring Manchester United back to glory and they have even tried it by making many coach changes, but compared to the previous coach, I think the ten hag era is the worst era and no longer reflects Manchester United status as a big club that has been respected so far, ten Hag dismissal will be a new beginning for Manchester United today, although we don't know what will happen in the future but at least the management has taken the right steps to fired incompetent coach like Ten Hag, currently Amorim has become a strong candidate to become the next Red Devils coach and the agreement between the two parties has been established, reportedly he will start handling the team officially on November 11 so in the meantime Van Nistelrooy will be the interim coach from Manchester United.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 01, 2024, 01:23:57 AM

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Chelsea will be favourites to win the games considering the change of United's management and their poor runs this season. But it seems Manchester United players are highly motivated and want to prove a point. I will bet on Chelsea but anything can happen.

Best bet would be for the both sides to score themselves on Sunday but then, you shouldn't forget that with the disastrous form of Manchester wherever they meet clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal they always sit up. Rudd will be in charge and I don't see him losing that game, I see what he's trying to do to fight for a place as assistant manager when the new manager comes into the club. In my head, it'll be a double loss for Chelsea, losing to Newcastle United and then to Manchester United again at Old Trafford. It could most likely be a 2-0 game.

Manchester United are going to take on Chelsea on November 3. When the match between Manchester United and Chelsea takes place, it will undoubtedly be a very competitive match for both the teams. Manchester United have not performed well in the last few matches but they have done well in the last Premier League match and they secured a big win there so will definitely want to carry that confidence into the match against Chelsea. It is difficult to predict which team will win between Chelsea and Manchester United, but since Manchester United has attacked well in the last match, it may be the right decision to bet on Manchester United. But I would refrain from betting on this match as the two teams are almost equally performing so anything can happen here.

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Well this is exactly as I said before and but it has been covered with some new pages and I'm too lazy to look for it Cheesy

, the possibility of Ruben Amorim is not much different from Erik Ten Hag because in reality coaching a club as big as Manchester United is not easy, it requires a coach who has above average abilities and has experience coaching big clubs, replacing Erik Ten Hag with Ruben Amorim is like replacing an old mistake with a new mistake, I think Man United will regret being too quick in making a decision without reconsidering their decision to recruit that coach.

This is not just about the League level because it is clear that the Portuguese League cannot be compared to the English League. If based on that, of course every coach will end up badly, so instead of comparing the quality of the League why not compare Erik Ten Hag achievements at Ajax with Amorim achievements with Sporting? This comparison is clearly ridiculous, because it will bring up other ridiculous comparisons such as the quality of coach Arne Slot when he was in the Dutch League with Feyenoord. Isn't that even more irrelevant? Why can Arne Slot make Liverpool at the top of the standings while Erik Ten Hag is the opposite?

In the end what determines is the quality of the coach, not the Domestic League competition that has been played.

I can't comment much more but let's see how Ruben Amorim handles this club because honestly I still have doubts, not only because he coaches the Portuguese league but because currently Manchester United's condition is very worrying and needs a coach who has good quality.
And don't compare Man United with Liverpool because Liverpool's performance before Klopp left was still stable, so in Liverpool's current condition, of course choosing Arne Slot is not a problem, Liverpool's performance will be fine because the club already has quality players, so Arne Slot only maintains his team's performance, while for Ruben Amorim he has to overhaul several players and improve the quality of Manchester United's game and that is a more difficult task.

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