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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 08, 2024, 03:08:57 PM

No matter if they extended the contract of this coach still Manchester United is not in good form and this made Ten Hag under pressure to get improve to leave. many people said Ten Hag won't be in Manchester United even until the winter and they will get him fired because of the bad performance he had so far. Anyway, I think Manchester United should start searching for a new coach even bore they get him fired.

But the pressure Ten Hag feels is an indication that he himself is making the pressure heavier.
His hardline attitude and poor recruitment of new players that he could have maximized made the pressure even more difficult because ultimately since he has been at Mancehseter United I don't feel that there have been any potentially lucrative purchases that he has made until now despite the expensive players he has tried to bring in from the Eredivisie.

The situation that Ten Hag is in now is actually quite bad, it's just that he was helped by the condition that in the 2 seasons he coached always won trophies. If in the end there is no this luck then I feel that he does not really deserve to be in the EPL and Manchester United.

But now he still has the opportunity when the contract extension occurs, it's just that with the initial conditions of the season that are not too good for Ten Hag, I don't think he should be too confident in his fate because he could be replaced before this season ends.

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on September 08, 2024, 04:05:31 PM

To be honest, from the previous year I agree more that Manchester United needs an update on their manager, Ten Hag doesn't mean he's not great but he's too old-fashioned to make much better innovations at Manchester United in my opinion

Age doesn’t matter when it comes to being a coach, there are coaches older than ten hag, and they are performing well in clubs that they are managing. Ten hag is not just the best coach for Manchester United, and not because of his age, and if Manchester United wants their club to improve, then they should just allow ten hag to go, and they should get someone better than him, but if they decide to keep him, then we are going to keep on seeing Manchester United performance drop, because I don’t think ten hag has anything to offer Manchester United.

Right from last season, lots of people were requesting for his sack, but Manchester United management decided to give him more time, but we are in a new season, and nothing has changed yet, no improvement yet.

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Quote from: Palakka on September 08, 2024, 11:01:23 AM

The problems faced by Manchester United in my opinion are very complex so far, after Ferguson retired there was not a single Manchester United coach who was able to restore the performance of consistency and also the glory of the Red Devils like the previous Ferguson era, so I think in addition to Ten Hag, Manchester United should also do a complete overhaul of the team including throwing away players like Onana, Maguire and also Antony who are indeed not able to make a huge contribution to the current club, Ten Hag is a coach who has spent a lot of money in building his current squad but the results we see now are not in accordance with the money they have spent, so indeed the main thing that Manchester United is doing at this time is to evaluate the performance of Ten Hag who actually looks incapable of coaching and also brings a lot Changes to Manchester United in recent seasons.

even when Ferguson was still there no many changes and all the coaches were trying their best just to put Manchester United in shape but it is as if the player finding it hard to put their head in the game. the blame is becoming too much on Ten Hag and I know the management might not bother but he won't have a choice but to satisfy people because they will keep talking until they are getting actual results, united will not be able to give that now because of how they have been reacting to games and they have the players but Manchester united performance is even still better to compare to that of Chelsea last season but looks like Chelsea is going to be better than Manchester United this season and when ten hags were emerging as the new coach the fans were happy and they thought it was going to bring the salvation that Manchester united needs but it is not going that way for them and that is why most of them are angry because they expected to much from ten hags, spending money does not give assurance that you will get the exact result, coaching is hard and I have once coached and I know exactly how it feels to be blamed for what you don't have power over.

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Manchester United has a bigger problem than just a few players, or even just manager, they have a management problem that is taking them longer to fix which is going to be very hard. I understand that if they change their manager then they could be a little better, but even if you get Pep Guardiola here, doesn't mean that they are going to win the league, or if you gave the entire city squad here and trade all united there, still they are not going to be the winners suddenly with the same manager and management.

This is why they will need many years, but eventually they will fix the squad, change the manager and have better management, only then they will do fine. Until then, they are going to just try to keep gradually and slowly become better.

To be honest, from the previous year I agree more that Manchester United needs an update on their manager, Ten Hag doesn't mean he's not great but he's too old-fashioned to make much better innovations at Manchester United in my opinion, because in any case the player's problem is definitely driven by the recommendation of the coach himself in making a decision whether to retain the player or sell him.

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Quote from: len01 on September 08, 2024, 03:37:58 PM

Although Chelsea is not the same as Man United, Bournemouth appearance this time is very different and on the one hand Bournemouth is playing at home which can give greater confidence to hold a draw. Previously Bournemouth was also able to hold a draw when playing at home against Newcastle, while Chelsea is currently performing below Newcastle. It seems a little risky to bet on 1x2 and the best option to bet is only BTTS. But the odds are very small and there is likely to be a change because the match still has almost 1 week which can provide unexpected surprises such as injured players.

This match will be played next week and yeah as you said its a bit risky to place bets on 1x2 because Bournemouth as the home team can give a surprise just like you i am more interested in both teams to score and over total goals, I think both teams will play aggressively so there is potential for lots of goals. On the other hand we know Chelsea don't want to lose more points because in the last 3 matches Chelsea only won once while they need more points to be able to move up to the top 5.

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Chelsea's problem is different from Manchester United and I believe that Chelsea can defeat Bournemouth, the reason why I said that Chelsea can defeat Bournemouth is that Chelsea knows how to play against teams like Bournemouth, although Bournemouth is having a good performance they have not to meet good strong opponents that will defeat them and score them like 3 goals, I know Chelsea have not been playing that good but Chelsea is capable of defeating Bournemouth.

Although Chelsea is not the same as Man United, Bournemouth appearance this time is very different and on the one hand Bournemouth is playing at home which can give greater confidence to hold a draw. Previously Bournemouth was also able to hold a draw when playing at home against Newcastle, while Chelsea is currently performing below Newcastle. It seems a little risky to bet on 1x2 and the best option to bet is only BTTS. But the odds are very small and there is likely to be a change because the match still has almost 1 week which can provide unexpected surprises such as injured players.

The problem is that the match will be held at Bournemouth's home ground, which of course this situation is very likely to affect the mentality of Chelsea players, especially now that Bournemouth statistically looks much better than Chelsea. So yes, the conclusion is that Bournemouth is most likely far superior in the match compared to Chelsea, but that is still speculation because after all the new season has started where we cannot be sure that the team that has now managed to achieve a dominant victory at the beginning of the season cannot be sure that they will continue to maintain the same performance, so I cannot be sure that Bournemouth will really be able to get full points easily even though they are playing at home.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on September 08, 2024, 06:53:20 AM

Quote from: len01 on September 08, 2024, 04:36:42 AM

After a few days of discussing Man United, let's now discuss how Chelsea will be in the upcoming match. IMO, Chelsea also started the season the same as last season.

Maybe this match is too early but there's nothing wrong with discussing what could happen in the match. Currently, Bournemouth has started the season consistently undefeated with 2 draws and 1 win. On the one hand, the match will be an away match for Chelsea. Can Chelsea get 3 points from the match? The odds are pretty good for both teams.

Chelsea's problem is different from Manchester United and I believe that Chelsea can defeat Bournemouth, the reason why I said that Chelsea can defeat Bournemouth is that Chelsea knows how to play against teams like Bournemouth, although Bournemouth is having a good performance they have not to meet good strong opponents that will defeat them and score them like 3 goals, I know Chelsea have not been playing that good but Chelsea is capable of defeating Bournemouth.

Although Chelsea is not the same as Man United, Bournemouth appearance this time is very different and on the one hand Bournemouth is playing at home which can give greater confidence to hold a draw. Previously Bournemouth was also able to hold a draw when playing at home against Newcastle, while Chelsea is currently performing below Newcastle. It seems a little risky to bet on 1x2 and the best option to bet is only BTTS. But the odds are very small and there is likely to be a change because the match still has almost 1 week which can provide unexpected surprises such as injured players.

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Manchester United has a bigger problem than just a few players, or even just manager, they have a management problem that is taking them longer to fix which is going to be very hard. I understand that if they change their manager then they could be a little better, but even if you get Pep Guardiola here, doesn't mean that they are going to win the league, or if you gave the entire city squad here and trade all united there, still they are not going to be the winners suddenly with the same manager and management.

This is why they will need many years, but eventually they will fix the squad, change the manager and have better management, only then they will do fine. Until then, they are going to just try to keep gradually and slowly become better.

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I cannot be completely sure why MU keeps Erik Ten Hag as the coach, more so after not that great results. Maybe the club management still sees long-term potential or believe that he needs to build the team more time according to his vision. But with the pressure of bad results, the decision was indeed quite brave.

Maybe the reason is because his contract has not elapse so they decided to manage him or maybe they they still see some good potential in him, so nobody really no the exact reason why they allowed him to continue but whichever way I believe is for the greater good of the club because already the Manchester United management team has already understand the importance of having a good coach in the club, so perhaps for them to have leave Eric Ten Hag they have there reasons, though I'm beginning to realize something in Manchester United performance because last season I was thinking there problem is from Eric Ten Hag but the strategy they have been using on this season is very okay but I don't no why they keep losing matches.

Manchester United management has just extended Erik Ten Hag's contract until 2025 and indeed this season is Ten Hag's last proving season to be able to develop the performance of the Manchester United team, if not then it is likely that Ten Hag will be in front of the Manchester United coaching chair.
And since the beginning of this season we can see that Manchester United's performance is not so impressive and there is even no development compared to last season even though Ten Hag has made several changes but there are no visible results.
For now Manchester United management cannot take any action because it is still early in the season so we just have to wait and see what Ten Hag will do to be able to revive the performance of the Manchester United team.

No matter if they extended the contract of this coach still Manchester United is not in good form and this made Ten Hag under pressure to get improve to leave. many people said Ten Hag won't be in Manchester United even until the winter and they will get him fired because of the bad performance he had so far. Anyway, I think Manchester United should start searching for a new coach even bore they get him fired.

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The league has just started, Manchester United is not doing really well at the moment. To be honest about it, Manchester United only winning 3 points in 3 games is not something to be expected. But the teams they played against were all big teams, they played against the teams that were successful last season. So their bad start to the league does not mean that it will continue badly. Maybe they will start playing better in the next games, I wouldn't be surprised if they win the next 3 games

Not all great teams win all their early season games, but over time they can improve and find their best performance. Ten Hag is expected to help Manchester United get their best performance this season, but almost the average user has doubts about his work. I personally don't completely blame Ten Hag for the team's performance so far, it could be that the players he has are not able to bring out all their best abilities.

Manchester United is expected to improve in the next matches. That hope is clear because it is very unreasonable to find them continuing to be in mid-table and struggling to get points every game. Even if Ten Hag fails to win this season's title at the end of the season, he must at least ensure that Manchester United can be in the Champions League zone.

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I see this as a clear opportunity for Erik ten Hag and his team to find the joy of victory again. Evidence Southampton still has no points with 3 losses so far.

I have no confidence yet that Manchester United will be winning the match they will be playing against Southampton. I won’t be surprised if Manchester United ends up playing a draw in the match again, because we know how useless the team is currently, and they are struggling even when playing against weaker teams, so Southampton is another team that will give Manchester United difficult time. Even if Manchester United ends up winning the match, then it’s going to be like a goal difference.

Let’s just assume Manchester United wins the match. I don’t think that should even give them joy, winning a club like Southampton shouldn’t even be giving Manchester United fans joy. A club that’s supposed to be competing against strong clubs is struggling to win weak teams, they should be ashamed even if they get a win in the match.

Southampton is not a strong team, and I am not expecting much performance from them against Manchester United based on my own analysis. But the truth is that football is unpredictable sometimes, so anything can happen, and we have seen similar cases before. Even I don't have much confidence that Manchester United will win the match. However, from their head-to-head record, and despite Manchester United not being in good form, they are still the favorite to win. I don't think anybody would like to take the risk of betting on Southampton to win or draw. So, it is very likely that Manchester United will take all the points in the game, but let's wait and see what happens.

A team winning any match always brings joy, no matter how weak the opponent team is. Southampton is a team, and it's part of Premier League competition. Any team getting three points from Southampton will surely be happy. There is always joy in winning every match, and gaining three points is always very important in leagues. So, if Manchester United were able to win the game after encountering two losses, there will be joy.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on September 08, 2024, 08:30:46 AM

Ten Hag is lucky because he was given the opportunity to build the Man United squad again this season. In fact, if we look at Man United's development last season, there is actually no reason for the club to retain a coach like Erik Ten Hag. Even though I know that last season Man United got worse because many players were injured one after another. But even before there were many injuries, we saw that Man United was inconsistent. Becoming champion in the FA Cup has indeed made Ten Hag trusted to coach this team again for longer. But we'll see whether the club has made the right decision or whether they made the wrong decision by retaining Erik Ten Hag. We will see the results in the next matches. But I'm sure that Man United with its current conditions will not develop at all. they will only win against weak teams and lose against strong teams.

And I think it's a golden chance for them if they still miss it, they've never seen a weaker and more stupid team. Because such opportunities are very difficult to get and with this good performance they got the opportunity. But at this time his performance is not so strong and special due to which he got this opportunity. If they don't lose their courage and hard work, they can make a great comeback and win the match. Playing with an injured person can be difficult, but what other option do they have? If you look at your performance, you are right. How about if they come back with effort and good pace and win the match. Every team has some weakness sometimes but with time these weaknesses should be converted into strengths if they are successful in this then they can go to a very good position. If he becomes strong and defeats strong teams, what will you think about that too?

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I knew it that the finals was a lucky win and not because Ten Hag has improved the team performance or he knew what he was doing, because it has shown clearly in the beginning of this season that the team performance did not improve.

Everyone knew the final was just luck for Manchester United, and there was no improvement in Manchester United. Even before the season started, I already knew Manchester United wouldn’t be performing well when the season started because they didn’t play anything serious during their preseason matches.

I agree with you that the title won by Man United is a pity title given by their city team Man City so it is not purely from their game in the Premier League, In fact, Man United's performance is very bad and the improvement is true that they have not changed significantly or tactically and in terms of the game there is no difference, even this season even though they bring in the most expensive players, they will still be a mediocre club this season, there is nothing special about this one club !!

I still think the major reason Manchester United won against Manchester City is because they came prepared and it’s very rare any team beat United at Old Trafford despite their poor performance mostly when it’s a tough game but I’m surprised they played at Wembley Stadium and still defeated Manchester city.

They prefer to play better when facing good team for better result, with all this you’ll observe no improvement from the start, they only prepare when they feel like it’s a must to win and that’s very bad for the growth of the team. Manchester United needs more time to build their strategy since it’s the major target or else no better result.

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Quote from: Farma on September 08, 2024, 03:40:33 AM

From the selection of players we can judge that Ten Hag is quite selfish, he always trusts the players he chooses even though the players often make mistakes like Onana who often makes mistakes, even that has happened since last season but because of Ten Hag's selfishness Onana is irreplaceable.
Even Ten Hag's character is the same, he has had a feud with several Manchester United players which ultimately the players could not contribute to the Manchester United team, I think the problem is Ten Hag's selfishness, that's what makes everything worse.

Now there is nothing to expect from Ten Hag anymore, Manchester United has not shown an increase in performance this season which means Ten Hag has failed again, and I hope Manchester United management can make a firm decision for the progress of the team in the future.

I like to look at situations from two different perspective. On one hand, I think it is not a bad idea that as a manager you have a certain level of trust in your players even though they are underperforming. Most times players need the trust of the manager to boost their confidence and help them return to good form. It’s a textbook trick that works. But the idea of keeping better players on the bench and gambling on player’s performing below average especially in a top game where all three points is needed. I blame Ten Hag in this aspect because he seems to be favoring a set of players ahead of others.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on September 08, 2024, 01:35:40 PM

I agree with you that the title won by Man United is a pity title given by their city team Man City so it is not purely from their game in the Premier League, In fact, Man United's performance is very bad and the improvement is true that they have not changed significantly or tactically and in terms of the game there is no difference, even this season even though they bring in the most expensive players, they will still be a mediocre club this season, there is nothing special about this one club !!

Such discussions are tiring and laughable on GOD! People who say such and write such post about Manchester United do not watch football properly. Y'all just come up here to spew whatever you like either to complete post count or misinform people and other posters.
The image below should educate you-all how they've improved from last season. I wonder if it's the television most people who yap about Manchester United watch. Asides the stats also, Manchester United has also created the second highest chances in the Premier League Competition, they've just been unlucky with converting the chances they've had. The month of September better different from what we saw last season. I'm not disturbed over rumours of Erik Ten Hag being sacked. What I want to say is that, changes takes time.. it'll definitely come but give it time.

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I knew it that the finals was a lucky win and not because Ten Hag has improved the team performance or he knew what he was doing, because it has shown clearly in the beginning of this season that the team performance did not improve.

Everyone knew the final was just luck for Manchester United, and there was no improvement in Manchester United. Even before the season started, I already knew Manchester United wouldn’t be performing well when the season started because they didn’t play anything serious during their preseason matches.

I agree with you that the title won by Man United is a pity title given by their city team Man City so it is not purely from their game in the Premier League, In fact, Man United's performance is very bad and the improvement is true that they have not changed significantly or tactically and in terms of the game there is no difference, even this season even though they bring in the most expensive players, they will still be a mediocre club this season, there is nothing special about this one club !!

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Recently we saw a bad performance from Manchester United, especially in the game they had against Liverpool in which they lost the game with a 3-0 result and the fans of these teams started blaming while the teams especially some players because of their bad performance. Even Ten Hag is in danger in Manchester United more than any time.
Now one of these players who couldn't have a good performance is Casemiro while he had a key role in Manchester United before but he recently said he doesn't have any problems with leaving the team.
It seems he even has an offer from Galatasaray and this won't be surprising to see him leaving the team soon.

It's absolutely normal for professional players to have days where they underperform and if you ask me, I think Casemiro did have one of those bad days at the office last weekend when Manchester United played against Liverpool. The Brazilian have faced intense criticisms since then by many especially Manchester United fans and there was even a report that he was linked with a move to Galatasaray after that game.
Personally, I feel Manchester United management and fans have neglected where the club's problem is coming from and that's the manager of the club who's been very poor with his tactics and style since he became the club's manager. If they really want to the club to perform better, they should hire a better manager than Erik ten Hag

Yes, players have bad days even as professionals but it is expected that sooner or later they will get back to form and start performing better. In the case of Casemiro, I think he is aged now and obviously his performance has dropped drastically below of the level that’s required for a top player to compete in the English premier league and I doubt this situation will improve anytime soon because his body cannot handle the rigorous work rate of EPL football. This is the best time for Case to move to a less intense league where he will be able to perform better. He has nothing to prove to the fans at Manchester United, he is getting old and should move to a club whose style of football suits him at this time.

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However Casemiro is a very important player but I don't no why I always feel that Manchester United was not meant for Casemiro because a lot of things has changed about him because he has become more weaker than when he was on real Madrid and even the popularity he is no longer that popular, though he is trying for Manchester United but he is not getting the kind of assistance he needs, perhaps joining other club like Manchester City would have been more better for him.

He is weaker and now a poor midfielder because he is playing around players that are average. Manchester United players are not serious players and neither is the people running the club. Same thing happened to Ronaldo when he returned to Manchester united, Real Madrid top players need to learn to retire at the club and stop playing for other small clubs when they're done playing. If they had retired at Real Madrid, they will be praised for their excellent performance but now they are being disrespected after playing so well for so long. Casemiro was poor in the last Manchester United game against Liverpool but he was not the only player that was bad although he is getting most of the blames. He should leave Manchester united anytime that he has the window before the club destroy the rest of his records as a player.

I agree that Casemiro is playing at a club that is worse than Real Madrid, we all know that, but that doesn't mean that he is good enough for Real Madrid anymore neither, that would make no sense to sell him for only sixty million when he is that good. Real has amazing midfielders, and Casemiro is not better than any of them and that is why he was sold.

Manchester United may not be great, they are definitely at best mediocre right now, but I believe that Casemiros current level is closer to that instead. We should consider this as a lucky thing that he found a club that fits his current ability levels. If he was at a much better club, he could be a bad player there that would be having some trouble, and that's why both the team and Casemiro fit each other well enough.

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I also have an opinion that is not much different from what you said for Manchester United, because a team as big as Manchester United should be able to have a coach who has a lot of experience and tactics that he can apply to every player in the team. Not just buying players as he wants, then he just guards them without giving them good tactics in every match because in the Premier League almost all teams can be stronger if one of them plays without relying on tactics and better finishing in every match.

The problems faced by Manchester United in my opinion are very complex so far, after Ferguson retired there was not a single Manchester United coach who was able to restore the performance of consistency and also the glory of the Red Devils like the previous Ferguson era, so I think in addition to Ten Hag, Manchester United should also do a complete overhaul of the team including throwing away players like Onana, Maguire and also Antony who are indeed not able to make a huge contribution to the current club, Ten Hag is a coach who has spent a lot of money in building his current squad but the results we see now are not in accordance with the money they have spent, so indeed the main thing that Manchester United is doing at this time is to evaluate the performance of Ten Hag who actually looks incapable of coaching and also brings a lot Changes to Manchester United in recent seasons.

Seeing the problems experienced by Manchester United now reminds me of the situation experienced by Chelsea a few seasons ago when their performance was really messy, even though Todd Boehly had fought hard by bringing in several top players who were predicted to be able to improve the performance of his squad until bringing in Pochettino as the first step in the overhaul but in the end everything ended in vain until now.
I agree with all my friends here that firing Ten Hag might be a way out of all the club's problems, but after I saw how Chelsea was doing I started to think that firing Ten Hag does not mean that it will ensure that the club's glory will return to its original glory like in the Ferguson era, meaning I only hope that the club management is really not wrong in choosing a coach to restore the club's glory if the decision to fire Ten Hag is really final.

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