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Topic: Primedice 3 - RELEASE DATE ANNOUNCED - page 4. (Read 16043 times)

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
August 11, 2014, 01:49:38 AM
I mentioned during beta testing that PD3's system picks high numbers more often than low numbers. Did you decide that didn't need fixing? It's possible that the effect isn't significant enough to matter; I didn't analyse it enough to be sure.

That was fixed like right next day when u told that to dev. Smiley .

Maybe. If so, you also need to update the documentation:



and the sample verification code:

legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1989
฿uy ฿itcoin
August 11, 2014, 01:46:05 AM
Hi, stunna...

I wonder if you have API so I also can make a dicegame like yours and share the profit.

Just like old LR casinos which are sooo popular in the past.
 Grin

Haha I doubt he'll just hand over the API. Why share the profits if he can have all of the profits Wink
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
August 11, 2014, 01:45:46 AM
It's not just >99.99 that is affected. *Every* bet is 0.005% harder to win than advertised. It's just that when the bet is advertised as 0.01%, the 0.005% error is half your advertised chance of winning, so it is hugely significant.

What this means is that on average 1 in every 20,000 bets in the history of the site was incorrectly marked as a loss instead of a win.

With 750 million bets on the site, that means that around 37500 bets were settled as losses when they should have been wins.

37500 bets assuming that every bet was made on the 10,000x multiplier.

No, you aren't understanding:

*Every* bet is 0.005% harder to win than advertised

Every bet was unfair, not only the 9,900x multiplier ones.

For example:

To win <49.5 you had to roll <49.495000 to beat the unfair rounding, and so only had a 49.495% chance of actually winning.

Similarly, to win >50.5 you had to roll >= 50.505000 to beat the unfair rounding.

Every bet on the site had a 0.005% smaller than advertised chance of winning.

That means that roughly 0.005% of all bets were unfairly paid as losses when they should have won.

Edit: Due to 0 working fine that means the expected number is actually ~4.

How was 0 working fine?

If you try to roll "<0.01", you had to get <0.005000 for the rounding to give you a 0.00. That again is a 1-in-20k chance.
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
August 11, 2014, 01:21:30 AM
Hi, stunna...

I wonder if you have API so I also can make a dicegame like yours and share the profit.

Just like old LR casinos which are sooo popular in the past.
 Grin
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
nahtnam.com
August 11, 2014, 12:17:24 AM
Okay, another waiting game again  Tongue

Its back online now! Smiley
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
August 11, 2014, 12:14:33 AM
Okay, another waiting game again  Tongue
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:48:14 PM
I was really hoping for my bonus, that's because loosed last coins, look what bets have been made while waiting PD3  Cry

774277149   guleaner   09:04   0.01120068   1.40008   >29.29   12.07   -0.01120068
774276990   guleaner   09:04   0.00800000   1.40008   >29.29   94.24   +0.00320068
774276903   guleaner   09:04   0.01000000   1.40008   >29.29   6.79   -0.01000000


Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose simple trick of the trade.
You lost it, that's your own fault, sorry.

But like I said send your pd address and when it gets back up I'll send to you

16f974eRMmUiMAr9QRXYTyDULAd2tkBYK9 pd addy, hope stunna at least read my post.

Stunna does not care. Rules are rules. Get over it.

He made those "rules" later and confused me.

I'm old PD player, started from 1 version, where bitcoin was at least 50$ worth, but unfortunatelly, he doesn't care about his clients..
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
August 10, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
I was really hoping for my bonus, that's because loosed last coins, look what bets have been made while waiting PD3  Cry

774277149   guleaner   09:04   0.01120068   1.40008   >29.29   12.07   -0.01120068
774276990   guleaner   09:04   0.00800000   1.40008   >29.29   94.24   +0.00320068
774276903   guleaner   09:04   0.01000000   1.40008   >29.29   6.79   -0.01000000


Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose simple trick of the trade.
You lost it, that's your own fault, sorry.

But like I said send your pd address and when it gets back up I'll send to you

16f974eRMmUiMAr9QRXYTyDULAd2tkBYK9 pd addy, hope stunna at least read my post.

Stunna does not care. Rules are rules. Get over it.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:36:26 PM
I was really hoping for my bonus, that's because loosed last coins, look what bets have been made while waiting PD3  Cry

774277149   guleaner   09:04   0.01120068   1.40008   >29.29   12.07   -0.01120068
774276990   guleaner   09:04   0.00800000   1.40008   >29.29   94.24   +0.00320068
774276903   guleaner   09:04   0.01000000   1.40008   >29.29   6.79   -0.01000000


Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose simple trick of the trade.
You lost it, that's your own fault, sorry.

But like I said send your pd address and when it gets back up I'll send to you

16f974eRMmUiMAr9QRXYTyDULAd2tkBYK9 pd addy, hope stunna at least read my post.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
I was really hoping for my bonus, that's because loosed last coins, look what bets have been made while waiting PD3  Cry

774277149   guleaner   09:04   0.01120068   1.40008   >29.29   12.07   -0.01120068
774276990   guleaner   09:04   0.00800000   1.40008   >29.29   94.24   +0.00320068
774276903   guleaner   09:04   0.01000000   1.40008   >29.29   6.79   -0.01000000


Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose simple trick of the trade.
You lost it, that's your own fault, sorry.

But like I said send your pd address and when it gets back up I'll send to you

I wanted to get them from Stunna , as he promised this giveaway. Anyway, big thanks for help! If I need them, will post my ID when site is back. Smiley You get back my hope Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
1 minute down time quickly uploading a small patch

Stunna, you acted like a little badass yesterday..  Undecided

Yesterday I specially uploaded my last money to bitcoin ~0.025btc for playing PD3. Later there was a delay with opening and You promised 0.01 giveaway to first 100 people who post in the topic and I replied with my user ID, posted by number 9, as I applied by your rules (was on this forum since 2013, active playing PD few years).

As You have reputation as a man of his word, I was sure that will get my 0.01 soon, so I started gambling on the old site, waiting for the new PrimeDice and I knew that I could loose my 0.025 because soon will get your promised 0.01 bonus and will deposit them to the PD3. but when I loosed my coins, noticed that promised bonus still not arrives, checked topic where Stunna promised it and noticed that you changed the rules, and I need to have 30 post to get it, but I had only half by that time.

But I think it is not very fair to give hope and then take it back. Now PD3 released and I left without my chance to play, sad.  Huh

MIN ACTIVITY for that giveaway was 30 activity.
You got like 15, therefor not eligible

Min. activity for this giveaway were not mentioned at first, and I were eligible to get this bonus

It was always 30. Seriously. Stop crying and use the free btc.

IT was edited later after some hours and if I knew from start that won't get this coin, I wouldn't gambled and loosed my last money at old PD, cause they were prepared for the new site.

here is proof, this is Stunna's post:

EDIT: only 30+ activity will be paid, so the first 100 users with 30+ activity will receive 0.01.


EDIT2: Locking this thread as 100 users have posted, bonuses will be sent within 3 hours busy right now finishing PD3...


I just left my user ID there and logged off even not dreaming that rules will be changed.

He didn't change the rules. Those were always the rules so everybody doesn't make an account and get free btc. He just didn't post it right then. Next time, don't make assumptions?

Yeah, it has assumption if he changed rules after some time. I registered few years ago, not a newbie. Imagine you go to the bank, they promise you credit and after a week or so, change some rules and your plans ruin.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1006
Black Panther
August 10, 2014, 02:28:24 PM
primedice website is down now
I wait to start playing again if stuna can solve this problem
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1129
August 10, 2014, 02:27:56 PM
What's wrong with PD?
I want to login but it's stuck with authenticating. :/
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
I was really hoping for my bonus, that's because loosed last coins, look what bets have been made while waiting PD3  Cry

774277149   guleaner   09:04   0.01120068   1.40008   >29.29   12.07   -0.01120068
774276990   guleaner   09:04   0.00800000   1.40008   >29.29   94.24   +0.00320068
774276903   guleaner   09:04   0.01000000   1.40008   >29.29   6.79   -0.01000000

legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1037
CEO @ Stake.com and Primedice.com
August 10, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
Yeah tnx gambler i also done that for couple of players that i know are legit from pd chat.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
August 10, 2014, 02:25:06 PM
1 minute down time quickly uploading a small patch

Stunna, you acted like a little badass yesterday..  Undecided

Yesterday I specially uploaded my last money to bitcoin ~0.025btc for playing PD3. Later there was a delay with opening and You promised 0.01 giveaway to first 100 people who post in the topic and I replied with my user ID, posted by number 9, as I applied by your rules (was on this forum since 2013, active playing PD few years).

As You have reputation as a man of his word, I was sure that will get my 0.01 soon, so I started gambling on the old site, waiting for the new PrimeDice and I knew that I could loose my 0.025 because soon will get your promised 0.01 bonus and will deposit them to the PD3. but when I loosed my coins, noticed that promised bonus still not arrives, checked topic where Stunna promised it and noticed that you changed the rules, and I need to have 30 post to get it, but I had only half by that time.

But I think it is not very fair to give hope and then take it back. Now PD3 released and I left without my chance to play, sad.  Huh

MIN ACTIVITY for that giveaway was 30 activity.
You got like 15, therefor not eligible

Min. activity for this giveaway were not mentioned at first, and I were eligible to get this bonus

It was always 30. Seriously. Stop crying and use the free btc.

IT was edited later after some hours and if I knew from start that won't get this coin, I wouldn't gambled and loosed my last money at old PD, cause they were prepared for the new site.

here is proof, this is Stunna's post:

EDIT: only 30+ activity will be paid, so the first 100 users with 30+ activity will receive 0.01.


EDIT2: Locking this thread as 100 users have posted, bonuses will be sent within 3 hours busy right now finishing PD3...


I just left my user ID there and logged off even not dreaming that rules will be changed.

He didn't change the rules. Those were always the rules so everybody doesn't make an account and get free btc. He just didn't post it right then. Next time, don't make assumptions?
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
August 10, 2014, 02:22:30 PM
1 minute down time quickly uploading a small patch

Stunna, you acted like a little badass yesterday..  Undecided

Yesterday I specially uploaded my last money to bitcoin ~0.025btc for playing PD3. Later there was a delay with opening and You promised 0.01 giveaway to first 100 people who post in the topic and I replied with my user ID, posted by number 9, as I applied by your rules (was on this forum since 2013, active playing PD few years).

As You have reputation as a man of his word, I was sure that will get my 0.01 soon, so I started gambling on the old site, waiting for the new PrimeDice and I knew that I could loose my 0.025 because soon will get your promised 0.01 bonus and will deposit them to the PD3. but when I loosed my coins, noticed that promised bonus still not arrives, checked topic where Stunna promised it and noticed that you changed the rules, and I need to have 30 post to get it, but I had only half by that time.

But I think it is not very fair to give hope and then take it back. Now PD3 released and I left without my chance to play, sad.  Huh

MIN ACTIVITY for that giveaway was 30 activity.
You got like 15, therefor not eligible

Min. activity for this giveaway were not mentioned at first, and I were eligible to get this bonus

It was always 30. Seriously. Stop crying and use the free btc.

IT was edited later after some hours and if I knew from start that won't get this coin, I wouldn't gambled and loosed my last money at old PD, cause they were prepared for the new site.

here is proof, this is Stunna's post:

EDIT: only 30+ activity will be paid, so the first 100 users with 30+ activity will receive 0.01.


EDIT2: Locking this thread as 100 users have posted, bonuses will be sent within 3 hours busy right now finishing PD3...


I just left my user ID there and logged off even not dreaming that rules will be changed.
member
Activity: 67
Merit: 10
August 10, 2014, 02:20:44 PM
Tnx i promised him my whole balance for that Cheesy 0.15btc Cheesy
He could not provide Smiley .

I need to stop feeding the troll I guess. I'm not good at ignoring trolls.

Did u checkout new provably fair. Let us know if u find any issues.

It looks like the 0.005% error in the house's favour is only on PD2 and not PD3. PD3 is using something very similar to the Just-Dice system.

In fact it's more like the PRCDice system before they fixed it to prevent the sjess exploit.

I mentioned during beta testing that PD3's system picks high numbers more often than low numbers. Did you decide that didn't need fixing? It's possible that the effect isn't significant enough to matter; I didn't analyse it enough to be sure.

We fixed your issue as you suggested, instead of using a shifting scheme we now step 5 characters.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1037
CEO @ Stake.com and Primedice.com
August 10, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Tnx i promised him my whole balance for that Cheesy 0.15btc Cheesy
He could not provide Smiley .

I need to stop feeding the troll I guess. I'm not good at ignoring trolls.

Did u checkout new provably fair. Let us know if u find any issues.

It looks like the 0.005% error in the house's favour is only on PD2 and not PD3. PD3 is using something very similar to the Just-Dice system.

In fact it's more like the PRCDice system before they fixed it to prevent the sjess exploit.

I mentioned during beta testing that PD3's system picks high numbers more often than low numbers. Did you decide that didn't need fixing? It's possible that the effect isn't significant enough to matter; I didn't analyse it enough to be sure.

That was fixed like right next day when u told that to dev. Smiley .
legendary
Activity: 3192
Merit: 1279
Primedice.com, Stake.com
August 10, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
That was error on previous dev behalf . And its sorted out on pd3 by actually rolling only up to 99.99 . So when u play 9900x on pd3 u are aiming to get 99.99 , just coz 100 is hard to get that way.

It's not just >99.99 that is affected. *Every* bet is 0.005% harder to win than advertised. It's just that when the bet is advertised as 0.01%, the 0.005% error is half your advertised chance of winning, so it is hugely significant.

What this means is that on average 1 in every 20,000 bets in the history of the site was incorrectly marked as a loss instead of a win.

With 750 million bets on the site, that means that around 37500 bets were settled as losses when they should have been wins.

37500 bets assuming that every bet was made on the 10,000x multiplier.

Only 180,000 10,000x payout bets were made. Meaning about 9 would have been settled incorrectly. Will find those 9 bets soon when have time to run a proper query on whole database

Edit: Due to 0 working fine that means the expected number is actually ~4.
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