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You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

While I think every gambling site should have a comprehensive system for self exclusion, someone who has not accepted they have a problem and wants to gamble, will be able to find outlets to take their money. IP bans are not foolproof at all, especially with all the proxies and VPN options out there - unless there is a proper KYC process in place it will be impossible for such a site to enforce this because new accounts can be created almost instantly. Self education can be really important because the odds are so stacked against you in dice type games - there is literally zero skill involved which means you'll never be able to get any advantage over the house that is steadily taking your money and sometimes paying back peanuts.

You should make yourself realize or be aware on how gambling works and the reality which is attached to it which is something that very common but people do really take it too far thats why they do really expect

or anticipate something on making big money or getting theirselves rich and that what molds them to play or simply being an addicted person.No exclusion would work out no matter how strict it would
be because there are lots of various ways on bypassing exclusion and considering the number of casinos today then you could still simply jump on.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

While I think every gambling site should have a comprehensive system for self exclusion, someone who has not accepted they have a problem and wants to gamble, will be able to find outlets to take their money. IP bans are not foolproof at all, especially with all the proxies and VPN options out there - unless there is a proper KYC process in place it will be impossible for such a site to enforce this because new accounts can be created almost instantly. Self education can be really important because the odds are so stacked against you in dice type games - there is literally zero skill involved which means you'll never be able to get any advantage over the house that is steadily taking your money and sometimes paying back peanuts.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

I think each gambling website has their own policies when it comes with self-exclusion to their players that have gambling problems. Regarding Primedice, I believe they don't really ban the IP adress of the players, but only bans their current account and prohibit them from making a new account. However, the latter would all be depending on self-discipline of the player.

No matter how hard the casinos and gambling website strictly impose and strengthen their system regarding self-exclusion, if the player is addicted so much and don't help themselves, they'll just end up bypassing the system with their own ways. Rehabilitation and counselling are a must if someone wants to be healed from their gambling addiction.

Apart from self-exclusion, a player with gambling problem must address the issue from within to make it possible and effective for long-term.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

If they have strengthened their self-exclusion, how about the possibility that you open a new account in other casinos, weak or strong self-exclusion, will still go down on how you address your gambling addiction.
You admit your gambling addiction problem but you should stop blaming things that you can blame if you really admit your gambling problem, it starts and ends with you, not on things you blame.

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Quote from: Quidat on April 06, 2022, 03:21:21 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 06, 2022, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: yayayo on April 06, 2022, 07:48:53 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

Yeah, when a person is addicted to gambling, he will do everything he can to keep playing on that site and depositing money.
It is very hard to admit that we are addicted to gambling, let alone be honest with people close to us, because we will hurt their feelings.
Only people who have a strong intention to quit gambling can do it, while others will find it difficult.
Gambling sites can provide various ways to block someone addicted to gambling but that will come back to the addicted person and how he intends to reduce or overcome his addiction.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

No that is not the best way to stop gambling it's one of the ways but never the best way, as long as you have that urge you could be gambling on other casinos, the problem is the urge so you have to address the urge fix it first you can take a vacation online for one week if it is possible or talk to a professional exclusion will not fix anything, you will still have the urge, you will be blaming the casino like what you're doing right now.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on April 05, 2022, 02:28:42 AM

I am new to the self-exclusion system, and I had no idea that we could use it to be forced to stop us from playing. However, with this system, it is extremely easy to circumvent if we are truly eager to play. I know some of us will say it is useful, but it isn't permanent because you will be unbanned later on, so the best and most permanent solution to this is within yourself; you must exercise self-control or seek assistance from others if this is having a negative impact on your life.

As long as I know there are 2 type of self-exclusion. First is a temporary and the 2nd one is permanent self-exclusion. If he asked the permanent one, no way that his account is unbanned but of course he can create a new account with all the possible ways if he cant control himself. Using the self-exclusion feature is a good start already but it should be followed up by our real action if we want to stop completely from gambling. I was a very active gambler for few years, but I can reduce my gambling activity step by step and I believe that I will be able to stop it completely in the future. I did not even use self-exclusion feature but I started it with my own will. Although I still access my gambling accounts but I can push myself to not deposit and play as what I used to do few years back.

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Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

I don't think if you guys knows this but there's a Self-exclusion program from the Curacao Gambling Contract board^[1] in which is part of their Responsible Gaming section -- whereas you can fill a form that includes your personal information^[2]. I just don't think if filling up such form can be used by online gambling platforms that uses Curacao licenses. If it were to be accepted and the name and any contact information (even the credit card number) can be banned on the back end of any chosen platforms (even all if you would write a personal letter to the platform's support with your self-exclusion form attached). @OP, I think this is the way to self-exclude / ban you from accessing an account from such websites (that obviously gets your data or KYC upon registering/depositing). Nevertheless, most platforms also uses KYC. If they know the IP of the OP and the OP dares to register again, the KYC and the aforementioned form can help recognize the OP.

[1] - https://www.gamingcontrolcuracao.org/responsible-gaming
[2] - https://gamingcontrol.spin-cdn.com/media/pdf_files/20191108_eng_self_exclusion_formulier_final_sep_2019.pdf

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Quote from: Quidat on April 06, 2022, 03:21:21 PM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 06, 2022, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: yayayo on April 06, 2022, 07:48:53 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

Addiction is something that you cant get rid off until you are the ones who are really that willing to fight it off and make yourself disciplined to avoid it as much as you can.It wont really be something simple because it would really be needing some help neither from your loved ones or seek some professional help.

Self exclusion feature is just an add up but its not totally that an effective way on making yourself avoid on playing again.Its true that no one should really took the blame but only you
since you are the ones who do make out such actions.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 06, 2022, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: yayayo on April 06, 2022, 07:48:53 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

Even if he's already been IP blocked but if hes that addicted and with the current number of gambling platforms or sites in the market then it is likely still ending up on the same scenario
on which he would really be depositing once again the repeat the overall the same problem and blaming time with the site that he would get involved with which is basically
and obviously showing that gambling addiction is something that should really took the blame and not the site nor the service that it do gives.

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Well, first I have to congratulate you because you admit your mistakes. the measures they could take in this situation I think they already do a lot, it would not be feasible or easy for them to be controlling all addicted customers, I agree that addicted customers need to block emails from casinos and also need to be strong and resist , do not give in and play and then come to complain here on the forum.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Unfortunately this is not really a good idea, many people are sharing an IP so if they were to ban you they will need to ban all the people that may use the same IP, also your IP changes so not only they will need to ban an IP but a range of them and this is even more unfeasible.

Personally I do not see anything wrong with primedice self-exclusion measures, if you tried to log into your original account and you were still self-excluded then everything is working as intended, also I can assure you that if you tried this in a fiat casino you would have run into the same problem, and even if you did not you could have used another casino to gamble, so look for help and stay away from gambling as much as you can as you obviously have some issues with it.

I was also going to comment that casinos cannot ban IP just because someone is addicted and that can be done. there is a complexity in this IP issue

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Unfortunately this is not really a good idea, many people are sharing an IP so if they were to ban you they will need to ban all the people that may use the same IP, also your IP changes so not only they will need to ban an IP but a range of them and this is even more unfeasible.

Personally I do not see anything wrong with primedice self-exclusion measures, if you tried to log into your original account and you were still self-excluded then everything is working as intended, also I can assure you that if you tried this in a fiat casino you would have run into the same problem, and even if you did not you could have used another casino to gamble, so look for help and stay away from gambling as much as you can as you obviously have some issues with it.

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Quote from: yayayo on April 06, 2022, 07:48:53 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

ya.ya.yo!

That's the problem. Without good self-control, someone will come back and create a new account if he can't log in to the site, deposit more money, and play again.
Maybe Primedice can block IP or anything related to @OP so @OP can't create a new account just to gamble.
It could be done but without @OP's self-control, it would be pointless.
@OP will try again and he will even try on other sites.
If this is the case, which is to blame?

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

Before I begin, I would like to express my deepest regrets from your very unfortunate situation. While I do understand the conflict and difficulty of addressing your addiction, what you did is the first step towards your recovery. Since you already did the first step, which is to acknowledge and do something about your addiction, relapses are nothing but normal situations for a person undergoing such recovery.

With regard your issue, unfortunately, I doubt that gambling websites would do such a move. While there may be gambling websites that advocate in battling against addiction, they would never create a system where they would IP block a certain ISP as this would cost them tons of money. Again remember that these are businesses which aim to earn as much profit as possible.

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of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

maybe you can reduce your addiction by playing casinos using not real money like a demo or game from android. I'm not so sure you can either, but no harm to trying than your money runs out. it's just a matter of fun, If you continue and keep it fun, you will get used to it after a while.

I don't think he can self-exclusion by doing these, I think if he really wants to get rid of these then he should get out of this sector, he can invest in any other sector he can invest in trading, I think at least trading risks is less than gambling .However, there is a saying that you should invest as much as you are willing to lose.

If he really wants to be excluded permanently then he shouldn't change his mind later on. He must be firm in making decisions especially if a certain site is involved. Trading will always be risky so we should always be sure of what we want. If he was well decided on self exclusion then he shouldn't left his funds on Primedice.

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Quote from: Crypto Library on April 06, 2022, 09:57:27 AM

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:35:14 AM

of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

maybe you can reduce your addiction by playing casinos using not real money like a demo or game from android. I'm not so sure you can either, but no harm to trying than your money runs out. it's just a matter of fun, If you continue and keep it fun, you will get used to it after a while.

I don't think he can self-exclusion by doing these, I think if he really wants to get rid of these then he should get out of this sector, he can invest in any other sector he can invest in trading, I think at least trading risks is less than gambling .However, there is a saying that you should invest as much as you are willing to lose.

this could lead to another addiction. the best thing the OP can do is rehabilitate. he knows and acknowledges that he has a problem, now what he needs is proper help

Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

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@OP since you recognize that you have a problem, are you planning on acting upon it? I mean, getting professional help since doing it on your own didn't work quite well.

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Quote from: Chikito on April 04, 2022, 06:47:40 AM

Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:35:14 AM

of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

maybe you can reduce your addiction by playing casinos using not real money like a demo or game from android. I'm not so sure you can either, but no harm to trying than your money runs out. it's just a matter of fun, If you continue and keep it fun, you will get used to it after a while.

I don't think he can self-exclusion by doing these, I think if he really wants to get rid of these then he should get out of this sector, he can invest in any other sector he can invest in trading, I think at least trading risks is less than gambling .However, there is a saying that you should invest as much as you are willing to lose.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 05, 2022, 10:50:48 PM

You should have self-control while playing gambling.

It's not easy to say and do it if ytu are addicted to gambling since you don't have self control seeking professional psychiatrist would be a big help in my opinion and I agree with the OP I think all gambling site not just Primedice should strengthen their self-exclusion system since if it is strong enough the OP wouldn't be able to create an account easily and play again in Primedice.

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Quote from: michellee on April 05, 2022, 01:04:09 AM

I wonder if @OP always plays with big money on that site or other gambling sites? If yes, then @OP needs to change his gambling habits because a site is not very responsible for what its members do in gambling. If their members play with big money, it is their responsibility and if their members lose, they can't ask anything from the casino, even for blocking their account. Casinos can block gambler's accounts who use big money, but if he still can't change the way he plays, it won't help him prevent bigger losses.

Mate , if you come to read the whole topic this is about OP is seeking for Self Exclusion meaning he has no capacity in stopping or controlling His gambling activities that is why this problem occurs and this is the reason why this post was created.
while We trust primedice as one of the oldest and trust worthy site(of course same as Stake.com) yet cases like this will always come because of the addiction and because of the casino site's behavior towards same incident .

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Yes, Primedice allows you to create a new account and use it to gamble again but unfortunately, the result is lost.
But what if you win? Does Primedice allow you to withdraw your win money? They will check on your account first before they process your withdrawal because it can break their TOS by having multiple accounts.
I think Primedice can warn you about becoming a responsible gambler but all things will be back to you as a gambler.
If you are already betting for a long time, you should know that you need to limit yourself, prevent big losses, and not allow yourself to deposit more money or use the money you can afford.
You should have self-control while playing gambling.

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