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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

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IP blocks is pointless for them to do so and here's why.

1. User could still make use of VPN
2. Some ISP does have that dynamic IP's

Which you could really still able to make out some access whenever you do really like to play.
So its a personal problem which needs to be solved out first.

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The problem comes from you not the primedice responsibility. Since you decided to close the account and explain the reason behind your decision, so why did you go back when you know that you are an addict already? I think the best thing you can do for now is to look for ways to work on yourself to prevent further reoccurrence. Is never easy to control oneself when the addition of gambling is already beneath us. Get a cancellor that can work on your weakness.

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Quote from: joeperry on April 04, 2022, 06:31:58 AM

The problem is not the PrimeDice, the problem is within you. If you really want to stop gambling you should help yourself not to play again or seek professional if you really can't control it and upon checking the PrimeDice policy about Self-exclusion here's what I found:

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You should not attempt or proceed to open any new accounts during your self-exclusion period, or indefinitely if a permanent self-exclusion has been selected.

This is actually a personal kind of problem and not on Primedice.It is really very common for someone who do have addiction problems on pointing out their fingers into the house that they do have bad exclusion

system or other things which they could blame them off specially if they had lost big or huge amount of money.They had requested it, so it would really be just be part of yourself on having that control

on not to play even more or further because if you do then there's no other to be blamed off but only yourself and not the company or sites or platform.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

If you feel that you are still addicted, you can play with the amount you do not regret if you lose. And do not try to chase the loss because it will make you lose a lot of money. Self-exclusion is effective if you have the desire to leave the world of gambling, but if you only have a momentary desire, I think you need psychological counseling to avoid this crisis!!!

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Quote from: bitbollo on April 04, 2022, 03:22:05 PM

Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

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Allow me to give you some advices.
create cold-wallets that are difficult to access (buried under the soil and miles away from where you live + with multi-signature and other hard procedures to unlock the funds).

tackle the problems of the game, because today you have created an account on primedice, tomorrow you could simply use a new site vanishing all the efforts and requests you have made to them.

it's too easy to bypass an IP address block. and it's true many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion due "anonymity". unfortunately I believe that the only effective method is the one used by some casinos which clearly require KYC.
They allow you to set gambling limits that cannot be changed in a short time and block the creation of double accounts.
Unfortunately, we all know very well that the industry cannot regulate itself...you have to find the way to avoid these problems

the bottomline, it is the user himself that is in control of this situation. these casinos would allow the creation of a new account as you need to consider that they don't know who is creating the account. even if it is the same IP, who knows, it maybe your brother, sister or anyone using your IP? it is not their responsibility to ban the IP but usually they are relying on player's account. so if you create a new one, that's not their problem anymore. you can't accuse them of having weak self-exclusion system. it is the other way around, you failed yourself to change the path away from gambling. in this scenario, it is the gambler himself who is in control of the situation.
if you badly want to change your lifestyle, maybe seek professional help instead of blaming the casino's system.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

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Allow me to give you some advices.
create cold-wallets that are difficult to access (buried under the soil and miles away from where you live + with multi-signature and other hard procedures to unlock the funds).

tackle the problems of the game, because today you have created an account on primedice, tomorrow you could simply use a new site vanishing all the efforts and requests you have made to them.

it's too easy to bypass an IP address block. and it's true many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion due "anonymity". unfortunately I believe that the only effective method is the one used by some casinos which clearly require KYC.
They allow you to set gambling limits that cannot be changed in a short time and block the creation of double accounts.
Unfortunately, we all know very well that the industry cannot regulate itself...you have to find the way to avoid these problems

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

Hello, I have been betting for a long time, and a few months ago I realized that I have problems to stop doing it.

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

Greetings to everybody and thanks

Honestly, many cryptocurrency based gambling sites are pretty terrible at self exclusion, so you may need to find other barriers to entry - possibly even converting any cryptocurrency you have remaining into fiat and closing any existing exchange accounts you might have, if that's how you were funding your account. You'll need to be extra strong and wary against gambling, compared to much more regulated site in the fiat money space. Crypto is still a bit of a wild west in that respect, which is tough for a gambler, but you have to try to find other forms of entertainment or other activities that will keep you preoccupied, preferably free so you don't find another money pit hobby.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

This post is not to recover my coins, (although I would like that), but to see the possibility that the sites begin to block not only the accounts, but also the IPs from which those accounts were connected.

That would be crazy if you think this way. You lose the amount all by yourself and now you are hoping that they will recover it? They don't force you to play again but it was you that requested it. How sure you are that the time for your self exclusion is already over? Because, why they won't return your primary account? It is fine if they will block the newly created account as long as the given sessions are done, that is to prevent you from becoming an addicted gambler.

Primedice is doing a good job there, they are strictly following their self exclusion system but if you really want to, there are still other gambling sites that you can play apart from primedice.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:35:14 AM

Quote from: joeperry on April 04, 2022, 06:31:58 AM

The problem is not the PrimeDice, the problem is within you. If you really want to stop gambling you should help yourself not to play again or seek professional if you really can't control it and upon checking the PrimeDice policy about Self-exclusion here's what I found:

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You should not attempt or proceed to open any new accounts during your self-exclusion period, or indefinitely if a permanent self-exclusion has been selected.

of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

There's no way to improve it if the customer is the one who's violating there terms just to play. You will keep finding other solution just to play. I understand how you feel because I've been there many times, Resorting to blaming is what people with addiction is always doing to satisfy there depression. PD knows what the heck they are doing hence they create that ToS to protect them for user like you. You should keep away on your computer and do more social activities to relax and calm your mind. It seems you have a fat ass wallet you got there for spending such amount. Sorry for your loss and let's leave together the forum once again. Cheesy

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 04, 2022, 07:21:15 AM

Blocking the IP will not work, because a person can simply get a burner phone through a new Service provider and he will be set to go... and I have seen some hard-core gambling addicts going to extreme methods to keep on gambling. (VPNs...etc)

I do believe that blocking the IP will still work somehow as the user's IP is prohibited to access the site, unless, the user made a little effort to change the IP address of his device, or even change a device with different IP.
I don't know if it is possible in PrimeDice to block a device or IP, but I'm pretty sure that it can be done, so probably if Prime wants to prevent something like this after a self-exclusion it would be better (for their users that wanted to be excluded out of their casino). But it isn't the casinos fault still.

I'm pretty sure if the OP profited from going back on gambling after self-exclusion, there would be no topic like this today. It is still your fault OP

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Sounds like you do need some help with your gambling problem. Nothing will stop you from gambling because you will always be able to find a way to continue gambling. So, in this case, we can only offer suggestions for changing your lifestyle, trying to find other positive activities unrelated to games, or hanging out with your friends and doing something different. Maybe Primedice won't do anything and neither will other gambling sites because they think it's useless if it's not you who will try to prevent the gambling problem from reappearing.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account, and bet again. this time, i lost 21600 xrp and a bit of some other coins

This same relapsing may still happen if an addict has not taken total control of themselves even if your Ip was blocked. You need to seek help first and you see you will be fine. Losing that amount of ripple is really a thing for you to watch your gambling addiction because it is really high. Calm your pulse and desire to always gamble, the gambling site isn't your problem because if they successfully stop you from gambling on their site (which may not be possible ) you will end up looking out for another site. Seek for help first, you can be fine.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

I got to self-exclude myself from primedice, the problem is that after a while, I relapsed and wanted to bet again, and primedice let me create a new account

The thing is:
* if your IP is blocked, there are many ways to go around that
* if your user or browser is blocked, it's even easier to go around it
* if you get thought how to block those websites from your devices, you will use that knowledge to unblock yourself or find another device

All in all, this direction cannot bring you anywhere, so you have to work on beating your addiction for good.

And maybe this helps: the problem as I see it is not that you get the itch of gambling now and then; the problem is that you don't know when to stop/playing too much money.
Maybe you get help in not having too much money (in any form) at hand for gambling? It could be another direction.

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Hi!
It's essential to know that you can also block any specific site through your browser directly which would mean that this would increase your chances of staying away from the gambling sites you usually use as well.
At the same time every site does have different relationships with their exclusion system therefore you might have to stop, take a deep breath and then you have to actually get special help, you have to try and get the professional help because gambling related additions are still addiction which needs not only medications but it also needs professional attention as well, therefore I would advice you to look at your governmental system and see if you can actually find a way to get it for free, most of the countries do offer free healthcare especially for gambling addiction.
I would advice you to find help online first if you are not really comfortable with going to the doctor directly. Hopefully you will be able to get through it !

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No self exclusion will work if you got the itch to bet again. I have the same feeling a year ago but fight back because I know I have no money to keep doing the martingale.

Why do you have to create an account? You may have been reminded about the time you tried excluding yourself if you just tried recovering your account 😁 and maybe you'll realize you exclude because you want to stop.

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:48:52 AM

Yes. I am putting it together to send it to them, but I hope that this post will also serve for other sites, since I noticed that in almost all of them, the exclusion is not by IP, it is by individual account,

Even if a casino block your original IP, you still can create a new account by changing your IP through VPN or other things when you want to come back. Once you requested a self-exclusion, you should try your own best to stay away. The key is on yourself, if you feel that you have a gambling problem, so you should find the best way to overcome it.

How if you make a huge profit in your new account? Will you create a thread like this to suggest the casino to improve the self-exclusion system? Why dont you suggest it once you realized that you can create new account or before you make the new deposit?

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Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

I decided that the best way to stop was to request self-exclusion from the sites I was betting on.

You should be aware, when you want to stop betting on the primedice site and exclude your first account, that's when everyone has a greedy and uncontrollable nature in making bets, have hope, the second account can bring luck, in fact the second account also suffers the same fate, some of your coins run out in bets.

You should have taken a lesson from the beginning before creating a second account, the primedice site is no longer convenient for you, but what can I say, everything has happened, maybe this can be a lesson for you and also others including me, never have instincts as if other accounts have luck for us.

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What exactly is self exclusion suppose to do? Is it not to stop that particular account from having gambling access once this request is done... if someone has access to their first account then there is a problem but reading that you created a new account then that means Primedice played their part well such that you went to the extent of creating a new account to bypass this barrier. Banning IPs is not the answer, not even KYC would deny someone this access to the platform.

The best resolution should start with the player to resist the temptation of gambling.

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Quote from: joeperry on April 04, 2022, 06:44:06 AM

Quote from: gero2021 on April 04, 2022, 06:35:14 AM

of course the problem is with me, that's why it's called a gambling problem, in any case, the idea is not to accuse anyone, but to see the possibility of improving the self-exclusion system

Yes I understand that you wanted them to improve their self-exclusion service but wouldn't that be better if you send it to them directly and give a feedback to their system so they can work on it as soon as possible or maybe in their announcement thread?

He should have done that, this thread is more of accusing or exposing them than recommending them to improve their self-exclusion when in the first place it's just one option for you, not the main option, your main option is still how to deal with your gambling addiction or getting help from your family, you can get a good anti-virus and block all casinos and not putting the blame on casinos.

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Blocking the IP will not work, because a person can simply get a burner phone through a new Service provider and he will be set to go... and I have seen some hard-core gambling addicts going to extreme methods to keep on gambling. (VPNs...etc)

You will have to go for rehabilitation and get some help for your gambling addiction... and that too is not a fool proof method to get you to stop. Roll Eyes

The self-exclusion will make things more difficult for you, but it will not make it impossible. You might get blocked from one site, but there are 100s of other sites where you can join again. Roll Eyes

Stake.com is a partner site for PrimeDice and I have seen people who was self-excluded and they complained that they still received the promotions via email. (So make sure that you stop that too... even if you setup a mail filtering rule to delete it or to move it to the junk folder)

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