Topic: PRIMEDICE weak self-exclusion system - page 3. (Read 613 times)

What are the things can the PrimeDice improve aside from banning IP that is related to the account? I think self-exclusion is not enough for OP if you can waste that much money for gambling why not use it to pay for professionals who can help you overcome your addiction to gambling?

Both are to be blamed here ,

OP because he is addicted and trying to Blame the casino for not excluding Him when the very thing is He must not play at all.

the Site because they did not implement their option of excluding their Player once they are being asked.

The lesson learn here? is not to gamble if you cannot control your self from betting .

I am new to the self-exclusion system, and I had no idea that we could use it to be forced to stop us from playing. However, with this system, it is extremely easy to circumvent if we are truly eager to play. I know some of us will say it is useful, but it isn't permanent because you will be unbanned later on, so the best and most permanent solution to this is within yourself; you must exercise self-control or seek assistance from others if this is having a negative impact on your life.

and also? if they can really enforce the self inclusion then they must take it off from their feature because some gamblers relies in this as they Knew once they have big troubles in gambling then the site will take over and will help them out for a while.

But this act from both party should be a eye opener for every gambler to know your limits or will end up like what OP had now.

This is same scenario with cigarette and alcoholic beverages business. This products can make person health deteriorate overtime yet the government around the world keeps allowing manufacturer to produce and sell this product to the people no matter what is the condition of person buying it except for minors. Applying same logic with this case. This will still go back on square that we should be responsible to our self and don't blame the product or services that we are choosing because its personal choice. There's a lot of warnings when you read ToS and signing up means you agree on it. I agree to strongly reinforce on there self exclusion security but this problem will never end and there will be same case like this will arise in the future because we can't control someone else decision.

They should really enforce their self-exclusion rule, else more and more people like OP would be losing their sanity and money due to gambling addiction. The thing is, most platforms don't really enforce this rule seriously, because they will still profit if people lose money on their site. Also, there aren't any repercussions too, on their end, that's why they can run away with these things. They'll continue doing this over and over again until they can, so unless and until they are punished for continuously breaking this self-exclusion thing that should be active on all platforms.

Asking a casino to improve it's self-exclusion system is the same as asking an alcohol/tobacco store to stop selling alcohol and tobacco to people,who are addicted to drinking and smoking.It simply doesn't work.
Even if the Primedice self-exclusion system is way better,what can stop you from betting on another crypto casino?There are hundreds of crypto casinos out there.Can you self-exclude yourself from all of them?
Have you ever tried to seek professional help about your gambling problem?
The forum members here can you give you advise about your problem,but it's up to you to find a way to control yourself and your behavior.

I wonder if @OP always plays with big money on that site or other gambling sites? If yes, then @OP needs to change his gambling habits because a site is not very responsible for what its members do in gambling. If their members play with big money, it is their responsibility and if their members lose, they can't ask anything from the casino, even for blocking their account. Casinos can block gambler's accounts who use big money, but if he still can't change the way he plays, it won't help him prevent bigger losses.

If you blocked your funds, not only casino but you can't also live. How can you eat and buy drinks if you can't access the funds?.
I'm not sure how you create tips and points when you can't keep the money from gambling itself?. for sure if you want to reduce gambling-addicted just try my suggestion before or try to get rehabilitation like an alcoholic.

Trying to create another account is also abuse and breaking the casino rules, I've believe it will make you more curious to try the casino again.

You are both correct that the blame must be for OP in this because it is His obligation to control himself or never let to become addicted  but what OP is pointing is that the Feature of Self Exclusion in each gambling site in which I believe that the site will comply. as the players will not use this feature if he is still capable of stopping, in this matter it is that the player is completely powerless to stop and asking the site for help for at least block his IP address at all cost so he will never had any chance of playing in that specific site though he can use VPN but at least this is on his own risk.

the first Post you created in this forum after account creation is another problem from this site

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59016295

but upon checking seems like your points are valid and yes you can continue your problem with that site.

and now here in Primedice in which one of the oldest casino here in crypto, while this is literally your problem as you are addicted, sometimes gambling site don't focus on your exclusion because they knew that you will do the best depositing and playing again, so i think this is both party's problem here , you as an addict and them as late in reactions .

Self exclusion doesn't contribute much because in reality its is not that hard to bypass the barriers we have, even if a gambling site blocks you in all the way the user can simply move to a new gambling site to satisfy his gambling urge so the root cause is our addiction and it has to be resolved depends on how much we are addicted to it

To be honest if you are at the extreme level then its time to take the rehabilitation courses which maybe effective than DIY methods.

No gamblers would even dare use VPN if they would gamble huge sums of money and be a casual player on a certain platform as most platforms discourages the use of VPNs to its users. Even if his ISP uses dynamic IP, a website blocking his IP will block all of the users with the same IP -- which has only a small chance that other players plays online gambling or the same gambling platform. Effective? Kinda. BUT never pointless.

I agree that it is a personal problem, but the OP's just suggesting an initiative from the platforms to help fight gambling addiction for those with certain factors such as: doesn't have enough confidence to reach others (friends or therapists) for help or doesn't have enough money to hire professionals for such matters (which kinda ironic but some still is).

Unpopular opinion: this is an issue that not just a person addicted to gambling should fix, but also for those platforms who've been entertaining enough for them making it hard for them to self-exclude. Why? Because having a self-exclusion system simply means they care about the health of their players towards their services. Ways to ban a certain person is to either block an IP, use cookies and cache to store that such user is undergoing self-exclusion, or have a system that reminds such person to have a limit to gamble per day that decreases from time to time with days of break in between.

This is a good insight from someone who really did experience the same. Maybe, what he needs is indeed someone to talk to. Not a psychiatrist. But if in case, nothing comes up despite of talking to someone close to him, maybe, it is high time to ask for professional assistance. There's nothing wrong admitting that you have a gambling problem because that's the first step. Acceptance.

But anyway, good to know that Vaskiy resolved his gambling addiction. After you surpass that trial, you already know what to do in case you are heading to that direction again especially if you are promoting a casino. 

Rather than a psychiatrist it is good to share what is in your mind with someone who stands with you on your ups and downs. Because, we gamble when we're in need of money. This is what happened with me, and I try loss everything. Once again I find a way to deposit and go to recover the lost funds. This takes place continuously. Finally I shared it and they understood my money requirement. Now I wasn't that addicted to spend by depositing funds out of loans.

It all depends on what arguments you used to convince Primebit to let you create a new account with the same IP address.
Each casino has its own internal procedures which should directly comply with the law of the country where it is registered.
If you've bypassed these security, then the casino cannot be blamed, it is simply the law that governs it.
I am afraid that it will be impossible to recover the money, but it is good that you write about it here, because maybe it will help someone else to avoid similar situation and losses.

I have a suggestion for you @OP, should find a psychiatrist because it's not a trivial matter, it concerns your psychic. Not also linked to a gambling account, one day you will gamble again even on a different website if you don't find a solution for your own desires. Not an easy thing indeed because you're to addicted, without you knowing it will come back someday.

No matter how good their self exclusions would be but if you are the ones who are severely addicted with gambling games then it would be still all useless since you would really be playing once again.
Not might be on the same site but it would be on other site as long you could able to follow your urge in gambling then it would really be just on the same story which is something not surprising.
Reasoning like this is pretty common on where they really blame out when they lost money but the community would really be just having the same thoughts and reactions that this is on someones
fault and not theirs.

You have no real clue what the word "addiction" really means. If it was that simple, then why would we need self-exclusion systems?


Cancellor? Is that chancellor? Or is it counselor? Or is it a councilor?

I've seen the same as you that have used that feature.

But honestly, whether it's in primedice or any other dice sites or casino that has this feature. Seriously guys, it's all on you that has to control yourself when it comes to gambling.

You're the one that must be responsible for your action and you did the thing, deposited and gambled. And then now that you probably have no longer funds to gamble again.

The complain goes on.

Do something that you're going to avoid gambling anymore so that you won't lose that much.