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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:20:31 PM

Last post in this discussion.

If u played roulette in live casino, and croupier(dealer) changes , or playing poker, and dealer changes, and after 12 bets u lose . Would u ask for refund ?
Coz yes, if dealer did not change, u would be probably dealt different cards , or rolled other number Cheesy

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Its just ridiculous what u are saying .
Yes, pd should not have errors, yes it did affected outcome of that bet, BUT ur chance to lose remained the same, (and pretty big chance to lose 1 bet on 80% in 12 rolls btw).

edit: Sorry if dealer had to change coz he was sick Cheesy

. That is error Cheesy

Yes u can wait 24h and check that bet provably fair, and u will see if that bet was fair.

Its more like this. In the middle of a poker game, you know your about to win. Then the dealer accidentally does something he isnt supposed to, and makes everyone restart the game. This is more like what happened.

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Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 03:47:43 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:47:18 PM

Sorry for that , its just my typing. I rely don't think that he should refund u . Its just my opinion.
Sorry for ur lost and i hope u will have better luck from now on if u continue playing on pd.

Say hi on chat, i am MICRO there to.

I know who you are, and you know me

I have spent alot of time the past few months playing and chatting on PD, and its really sad if it ends like this. I am fine with accepting my own loss (despite being angry at first) but not like this.

The best resolution is for Stunna to simply fix the error and atleast provide an explanation of why the "error" comes up.

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:47:18 PM

Sorry for that , its just my typing. I rely don't think that he should refund u . Its just my opinion.
Sorry for ur lost and i hope u will have better luck from now on if u continue playing on pd.

Say hi on chat, i am MICRO there to.

I know who you are, and you know me

I have spent alot of time the past few months playing and chatting on PD, and its really sad if it ends like this. I am fine with accepting my own loss (despite being angry at first) but not like this. All my BTC gone, so soon after an error not caused by me dramatically changed the outcome of my rolls.

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Sorry for that , its just my typing. I rely don't think that he should refund u . Its just my opinion.
Sorry for ur lost and i hope u will have better luck from now on if u continue playing on pd.

Say hi on chat, i am MICRO there to.

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:37:16 PM

Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 03:30:51 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:25:01 PM

Bottom line: U can check probably fair for that bet, if u saved server seed , client seed and u will have secret.
And i can guarantee u that Stunna will not refund u, coz that would be just ridiculous Cheesy

. Even if u can prove that u got error at that point in time

. And i guess u cant .

The error happened after this bet, there was 3 in a row 80x loss before this. Only 27 bets since I started.

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233153

and the next bet after I had to refresh the page

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233760

Completely different client seed.

But where is prof that u got error not just refreshed coz feeling like refreshing Cheesy

I am not saying u trying to extort money from him. But if stunna paid everybody with claim as urs. He would pay ALOT. And everybody could start doing that .

Sorry for ur lost but its gone. And u will not get it back this way.

I got the error and that's that. I have no reason to refresh the page otherwise.

My claim is genuine, stunna can probably see that from my bet history, it could show up the error.

Also I think this is important

" Our random numbers are generated through the use of three seeds.
These are: the server seed, secret seed and most importantly, the client seed."

It's is not a funny situation for me so please stop with the laughing smiley faces.

Btw, if stunna does offer a refund due to the error I will keep this private. Also, I think there should be a popup notifying that the seed has been changed after a page refresh.

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Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 03:30:51 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:25:01 PM

Bottom line: U can check probably fair for that bet, if u saved server seed , client seed and u will have secret.
And i can guarantee u that Stunna will not refund u, coz that would be just ridiculous Cheesy

. Even if u can prove that u got error at that point in time

. And i guess u cant .

The error happened after this bet, there was 3 in a row 80x loss before this. Only 27 bets since I started.

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233153

and the next bet after I had to refresh the page

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233760

Completely different client seed.

But where is prof that u got error not just refreshed coz feeling like refreshing Cheesy

I am not saying u trying to extort money from him. But if stunna paid everybody with claim as urs. He would pay ALOT. And everybody could start doing that .
And even if he believes u , still that is just no reason to pay u. Coz reason of ur lost is not that error u got.

Sorry for ur lost but its gone. And u will not get it back this way.

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:25:01 PM

Bottom line: U can check probably fair for that bet, if u saved server seed , client seed and u will have secret.
And i can guarantee u that Stunna will not refund u, coz that would be just ridiculous Cheesy

. Even if u can prove that u got error at that point in time

. And i guess u cant .

The error happened after this bet, there was 3 in a row 80x loss before this. Only 27 bets since I started.

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233153

and the next bet after I had to refresh the page

https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233760

Completely different client seed.

MICRO

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Bottom line: U can check probably fair for that bet, if u saved server seed , client seed and u will have secret.
And i can guarantee u that Stunna will not refund u, coz that would be just ridiculous Cheesy

. Even if u can prove that u got error at that point in time

. And i guess u cant .

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:20:31 PM

Last post in this discussion.

If u played roulette in live casino, and croupier(dealer) changes , or playing poker, and dealer changes, and after 12 bets u lose . Would u ask for refund ?
Coz yes, if dealer did not change, u would be probably dealt different cards , or rolled other number Cheesy

.
Its just ridiculous what u are saying .
Yes, pd should not have errors, yes it did affected outcome of that bet, BUT ur chance to lose remained the same, (and pretty big chance to lose 1 bet on 80% in 12 rolls.

Who said I had only lost 1 in 12 80% since the seed changed? I lost others before it.

Your comparison is not suitable imo. A dealer changing is not an Error.

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Last post in this discussion.

If u played roulette in live casino, and croupier(dealer) changes , or playing poker, and dealer changes, and after 12 bets u lose . Would u ask for refund ?
Coz yes, if dealer did not change, u would be probably dealt different cards , or rolled other number Cheesy

.
Its just ridiculous what u are saying .
Yes, pd should not have errors, yes it did affected outcome of that bet, BUT ur chance to lose remained the same, (and pretty big chance to lose 1 bet on 80% in 12 rolls btw).

edit: Sorry if dealer had to change coz he was sick Cheesy

. That is error Cheesy

Yes u can wait 24h and check that bet provably fair, and u will see if that bet was fair.

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I had the error problem more than 15 times, most when using auto-betting, and never had a problem, (except it stops my bot from going overnight).

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:07:08 PM

SITE OR SEED CHANGES EVERY BET. U done 12 bets after refresh . PD DOESN'T remember ur last bets, no matter if seed changes or not! Ur chance of losing is THE SAME! Its just ridiculous what u are trying to say. U had 20% chance to lose every single bet, u shoulda lost that 2 times in 10 bets. Damn I AM DONE

It's not that simple micro. When an error on the houses side happens that most likely caused a big loss like this, they should take responsibility.

If I did the same bet 12 bets later on the other seed, the outcome would have been different. I didn't decide myself to refresh the page, primedice stopped working as it should. There is no way for me to know now that I lost fairly.

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SERVER SEED CHANGES EVERY BET. U done 12 bets after refresh . PD DOESN'T remember ur last bets, no matter if seed changes or not! Ur chance of losing is THE SAME! Its just ridiculous what u are trying to say. U had 20% chance to lose every single bet, u shoulda lost that 2 times in 10 bets. Damn I AM DONE

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Quote from: Dogtanian on March 23, 2014, 03:04:02 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:59:24 PM

Im tired of arguing. As I mentioned, it both PDs and Spixels fault. Stunna, please fix this error.

What does he have to fix?

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:01:22 PM

It is pd fault to have errors . BUT ITS NOT PDs FAULT THAT U LOST THAT BET! I am done arguing Cheesy

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LMAO !

This is my thinking too.

Sometimes when you bet, you get an alert saying "Error". Nothing else. Then once you refresh, it resets the seeds. The problem with this is that PD knows what the bet outcome is. Lets say you make a bet of 0.1 and it turns out to be a win, but instead PD just says "Error" and doesnt give you the money. Then you refresh and then bet and lose. This is what happened to Spixel. It also happened to me (0.09 BTC).

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Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 03:01:26 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:59:37 PM

Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:54:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:47:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:45:47 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Come on pls , u still had 20% chance to lose , UR CHANCE WOULD BEEN THE SAME even if seed did not changed. I rely can't argue more. There is just no point. What u are saying doesn't make any sense at all. Ur chance to win that bet was absolutely the same regardless the seed change, yes 99.99% outcome of bet would be different but ur chance to lose is EXACTLY the same !

I dont think you understand. The SEED makes a HUGE difference in the roll.

Yes it makes 99.99% chance that bet outcome will be different. BUT UR CHANCE AFTER THE CHANGED SEED is exactly the same as if u did not change it !

I am assuming the server seed stays the same throughout my explanation just for simplicity.

Lets assume he is doing 2x and to win he has to roll under 49.5

If he sets the seed to "Hi" he might have rolled a 91 and would have won, but because PD made him refresh, the seed changed and he rolled a 19 and lost.

The same thing can be applied to server seeds (assuming he set the same client seed). When he refreshed, the server seed had changed.

Yes , u will have different outcome, but ur chance is still 49.5% to win ! It will be different outcome but it doesn't improve ur chance to win that bet Cheesy

Pls check if server seed changes every bet coz i think it does, no need to refresh . I am on autobet now so i cant check that.

This is what matters.. the outcome would have been different if the error didn't happen. Primedices error, not mine.

And u want money back from that Cheesy

Man i am lmao Cheesy

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Outcome would be different even if u did bet 0.1 second after u was thinking to bet Cheesy

. Coz bet id would be different . Cheesy

No, the bet id you're thinking of wouldn't have been different. It goes by the bet id of the client seed

For example client seed is 1699707-0004

12 bets later would have been 1699707-0016

But the seed was reset and now said something like 238281-0012

Spixel, you are 100% correct regardless of what Micro says. Just wait for Stunna to respond.

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Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:59:24 PM

Im tired of arguing. As I mentioned, it both PDs and Spixels fault. Stunna, please fix this error.

What does he have to fix?

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 03:01:22 PM

It is pd fault to have errors . BUT ITS NOT PDs FAULT THAT U LOST THAT BET! I am done arguing Cheesy

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LMAO !

This is my thinking too.

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Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:59:37 PM

Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:54:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:47:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:45:47 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Come on pls , u still had 20% chance to lose , UR CHANCE WOULD BEEN THE SAME even if seed did not changed. I rely can't argue more. There is just no point. What u are saying doesn't make any sense at all. Ur chance to win that bet was absolutely the same regardless the seed change, yes 99.99% outcome of bet would be different but ur chance to lose is EXACTLY the same !

I dont think you understand. The SEED makes a HUGE difference in the roll.

Yes it makes 99.99% chance that bet outcome will be different. BUT UR CHANCE AFTER THE CHANGED SEED is exactly the same as if u did not change it !

I am assuming the server seed stays the same throughout my explanation just for simplicity.

Lets assume he is doing 2x and to win he has to roll under 49.5

If he sets the seed to "Hi" he might have rolled a 91 and would have won, but because PD made him refresh, the seed changed and he rolled a 19 and lost.

The same thing can be applied to server seeds (assuming he set the same client seed). When he refreshed, the server seed had changed.

Yes , u will have different outcome, but ur chance is still 49.5% to win ! It will be different outcome but it doesn't improve ur chance to win that bet Cheesy

Pls check if server seed changes every bet coz i think it does, no need to refresh . I am on autobet now so i cant check that.

This is what matters.. the outcome would have been different if the error didn't happen. Primedices error, not mine.

And u want money back from that Cheesy

Man i am lmao Cheesy

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Outcome would be different even if u did bet 0.1 second after u was thinking to bet Cheesy

. Coz bet id would be different . Cheesy

No, the bet id you're thinking of wouldn't have been different. It goes by the bet id of the client seed

For example client seed is 1699707-0004

12 bets later would have been 1699707-0016

But the seed was reset and now said something like 238281-0012

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It is pd fault to have errors . BUT ITS NOT PDs FAULT THAT U LOST THAT BET! I am done arguing Cheesy

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LMAO !

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Quote from: spixel on March 23, 2014, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:54:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:47:36 PM

Quote from: nahtnam on March 23, 2014, 02:45:47 PM

Quote from: MICRO on March 23, 2014, 02:44:28 PM

Come on pls , u still had 20% chance to lose , UR CHANCE WOULD BEEN THE SAME even if seed did not changed. I rely can't argue more. There is just no point. What u are saying doesn't make any sense at all. Ur chance to win that bet was absolutely the same regardless the seed change, yes 99.99% outcome of bet would be different but ur chance to lose is EXACTLY the same !

I dont think you understand. The SEED makes a HUGE difference in the roll.

Yes it makes 99.99% chance that bet outcome will be different. BUT UR CHANCE AFTER THE CHANGED SEED is exactly the same as if u did not change it !

I am assuming the server seed stays the same throughout my explanation just for simplicity.

Lets assume he is doing 2x and to win he has to roll under 49.5

If he sets the seed to "Hi" he might have rolled a 91 and would have won, but because PD made him refresh, the seed changed and he rolled a 19 and lost.

The same thing can be applied to server seeds (assuming he set the same client seed). When he refreshed, the server seed had changed.

Yes , u will have different outcome, but ur chance is still 49.5% to win ! It will be different outcome but it doesn't improve ur chance to win that bet Cheesy

Pls check if server seed changes every bet coz i think it does, no need to refresh . I am on autobet now so i cant check that.

This is what matters.. the outcome would have been different if the error didn't happen. Primedices error, not mine.

And u want money back from that Cheesy

Man i am lmao Cheesy

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Outcome would be different even if u did bet 0.1 second after u was thinking to bet Cheesy

. Coz bet id would be different . Cheesy

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Im tired of arguing. As I mentioned, it both PDs and Spixels fault. Stunna, please fix this error.

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