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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas. Even though the people smashing police cars weren't the same people who were waving the Antifacist Action flag, the media puts "Antifa" in their headline because those titles have a high click rate. The people waving the Antifacist Action flag were seen pulling down barricades during this particular riot, if you wanna be accurate.
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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...



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Antifa rioters descended on Tacoma, Washington, starting fires and trashing buildings in outrage over viral video of a police officer driving his squad car through a crowd of illegal street racers.

Videos showed numerous fires and businesses smashed up late Sunday as at least 200 people took to the streets close to where the officer had sped through a crowd the previous night, running over at least one person.
Antifa rioters smash up Tacoma in rampage over cop driving through crowd

As peaceful as it gets.
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You're right, I won't read it.

And there it is folks. You want answers, but won't read the answers. There is no way for me to answer you directly without citing another source, that is how proving something works. You construct an impossible standard so that no one can change your opinion. Every single answer to those questions is in the "wall of text" you refuse to read. I'm starting to think you are a troll or an agent of dissent. Who do you work for Gyfts?
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You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods.

Cliffs:

You claimed ACLED uses arbitrary data collection methods.
I provide you with a link to the "ACLED Methodology and Coding Decisions around Political Violence and Demonstrations in the United States of America"
You refuse to read it.
You conclude that you were correct about them being arbitrary and I provided the link because I know you're right.


Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

Nothing wrong with not reading it, unless you're going to go around making claims about their data collection methods.
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 trump supporter is the most disgusting thing ive ever heard my god
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If you are a trump supporter you are most likely someone who still believes in his lies and tries to threaten the democracy.
I don’t think ppl has realized the severity of the actions he took at that capitol. This is really annoying and disgusting
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You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods. It's impossible to assign some random percentage to the violence of the BLM riots that went on through the summer. You can't objectively quantify violence lmao. At best you could attach a body count which is something like 35 people dead over the span of the BLM riots.

Second point, it's already a bizarre metric to take all the BLM protests and create a ratio of violent/non-violent protests. It's like taking the ratio of OJ Simpson stabbing someone/not stabbing someone and declaring that OJ Simpson is a 99.99 percent peaceful man. It's ridiculous, and it's no surprise this joke of an organization stated two blatant falsehoods about Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery. Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

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You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.

Did you forget I already showed you where to find the answers?  Or are you really asking someone to read it for you and then write up a report?

Because it's a terrible take to assign arbitrary percentages

They aren't arbitrary percentages.  The ACLED is transparent in their methodology and explain it in excruciating detail. https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/10/ACLED_USAMethodology_2020.pdf

Every different type of event, how they code it, what the definition of 'violence' is, what makes something an 'protest', 'counter protest' or 'riot' or 'demonstration', how the data is collected, what tools they use, all of the raw data itself - all of it is public.  

Seems like you're intentionally making it difficult to continue the discussion. 
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You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED.

The ACLED blatantly lied about the Breonna Taylor shooting and the Ahmaud Arbery shooting and I describe in detail how they get it wrong. The report was in regards to BLM violence so why should I take them seriously about anything if they can't get the facts right?

If you want sources for the Breonna Taylor situation, go look to the KY Attorney General press conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo5EUG7P2bw

Ahmaud Arbery you can find CCTV footage of him strolling through a construction site with a 911 call reporting him. Would you like a link?

you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve

You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.


I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

If they didn't engage in violence stop crying about it. If they did something illegal, they will face consequences. 900K cops in the US, yes, one or two could have participated.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple.

No, you just saw Targets being looted and apartment buildings lit on fire. Are you pretending as if the US did not see the worst riots in history resulting in 2 billion dollars worth of damage? And you draw the line at a Nazi flag and not a burning building?

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media.


Well, it's one of two things -- you are a leftist or you are mentally deranged. Perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical.

Never mind, you are a leftist.
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I already tried explaining to him what the ACLED was.  Guess I failed.
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You're right -- you didn't mention law enforcement shootings. You just mentioned some irrelevant bullshit about white supremacy and police which is more of the leftist fan fiction you use to justify looting a target or burning an apartment building.

Acleddata is a leftwing propaganda group that can't even get basic facts right, see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5308781

But please do answer me what methodology they use to quantify these protests, and what objective method they use to categorize something as violent. And by violence, how do they differentiate between the severity of violence? Where do they get that data from? Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata? How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?

I'm sure you have answers to zero of these questions because you couldn't think that far enough. Just slapping a link down and hoping I wouldn't notice, hilarious.

You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED. Your word vomit proves nothing without sources. If you weren't too much of a lazy brain to read the link I "slapped down", you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve:

"What is ACLED’s relationship to Princeton University? The ​US Crisis Monitor ​is a joint project of ACLED and BDI. Through this project, ACLED is able to extend its global methodology to conduct data collection for the US, making real-time data available for public use, while BDI is able to ​use these data to identify emerging risks and to inform and motivate policy and programming discussions within its civil society​ network.

ACLED and BDI are both independent and non-partisan, and the US Crisis Monitor is dedicated to providing objective information. The ​US Crisis Monitor​is guided by the belief that transparent, independent, credible data on political violence and demonstrations can improve decision-making and policies, enhance peace building, and ultimately facilitate efforts to track, prevent, and mitigate violence. For these reasons, we are committed to making all data, analysis, methodology, tools, and resources publicly available. At the same time, we recognize that data, statistics, and analysis can be misinterpreted and manipulated towards political or other ends, in turn fueling conflict, harmful or incorrect narratives, and even violence. The ​US Crisis Monitor takes these risks extremely seriously and will work to ensure that materials made available through the project do no harm (in so far as it is within our power to control), and that principles and approaches of conflict sensitivity are adhered to strictly.

ACLED includes events of police brutality where the details conform to our global standards of political violence. Such events are coded as ‘Event type’ ​Violence against civilians, ​‘Sub-event type’ Attack,​ with police forces and civilians coded as the two primary actors. Violent policing is often particularly excessive towards select groups in the US, but much of this policing is within the bounds of the law​— and these bounds can vary, with different levels of protections extended to law enforcement by state legislatures, in addition to the federal government. As such, only police engagements that are explicitly ​outside​ of established legal parameters are included, however unfair the existing constraints on police behavior maybe. In practice, this means that the following types of events are the only ones categorized as such: (1) events in which an individual was not engaging in a crime, yet was seriously hurt or killed, (2) events in which an individual was (assumed to be) engaging in a crime though was visibly unarmed, yet was seriously hurt or killed; or (3) events in which an individual was in pursuit of a crime and was seriously hurt or killed, but without evidence that the suspect in question posed a risk based on subsequent reports.

ACLED does not record all instances of violence. For example, criminal violence, defined as violence that is motivated by personal or purely criminal motives, is excluded from the ACLED dataset. Some mass shooting events fall into this category. Violence that takes place in the private sphere, such as domestic or interpersonal violence, is also not recorded in the ACLED dataset, even when these events could have wider repercussions among the public. Similarly, events that are categorized as standard police enforcement are excluded from ACLED’s coverage. These typically include incidents where law enforcement agencies appear to have used violence within the bounds of the legal constraints on their activity, either in reaction to an attempt on the life of a police officer or otherwise in the presence of a threat. Finally, ACLED only captures events that are reported to have actually occurred. As such, ACLED Researchers do not record threats of violence or intimidation. Non-physical violence, such as online or cyber-violence, is also outside of the scope of ACLED’s data capture and mandate.

Please note: ACLED does not collect ‘big data’ or personally identifiable information about individual participants in any of the events that fall within our catchment. Data collection is specifically restricted to the dates, groups, locations, fatalities, and types of political violence and demonstration events.

ACLED defines political violence as the use of force by a group with a political purpose or motivation. ACLED records political violence through its constituent events, the intent of which is to produce a comprehensive overview of all forms of political disorder, expressed through violence and demonstrations, within and across states. A politically violent event is a single altercation where force is used by one or more groups toward a political end. ACLED employs this definition of political violence in every country we cover. It is a core component of the established global methodology.

In addition to political violence events, ACLED also codes both non-violent and violent demonstration events. Demonstrations include events coded with ‘Event Type’ Protests, which in turn encompasses three specific sub-types that appear as ‘Sub-event Types’ in the data: Peaceful protest, Protest with intervention, and Excessive force against protesters. Events coded with ‘Event Type’ Riots include sub-event type Violent demonstration.

ACLED codes all physical congregations of three or more people (single-person demonstrations are not coded) as a demonstration when they are directed against a political entity, government institution, policy, group or individual, tradition or event, businesses, or other private institutions. This includes demonstrations affiliated with an organization (e.g. NAACP), a movement (e.g. Black Lives Matter), or a political party (e.g. Republicans), as well as those affiliated with identity groups (e.g. LGBT, women, Native Americans). Whenever such salient identities exist, they will be coded as an ‘Associated Actor’ to the respective primary actor (for more on coding decisions, see the ACLED Codebook). In addition, ACLED also codes demonstrations around a certain topic, even if not associated with a specific identity group or organization (e.g. against climate change, anti-vaxxers, COVID-19 restrictions, etc.).

Given the above-outlined definition, political or party rallies, town hall meetings, and caucuses are not coded as ‘demonstrations’ by ACLED, as they reflect regular political activity by members of political organizations, civil society, and the general public. ACLED covers the occurrence of events, not the absence of action; this means that physical congregations of people are coded, while a labor strike where workers stay at home is not (though significantly large strikes would be captured by ACLED as ‘Strategic developments’). Symbolic public acts are also not coded as ‘demonstrations’ — such as displays of flags, putting up a sign in one’s yard, written chalk messages on sidewalks, a congressional walkout, etc. Additionally, vigils that are not intended to manifest any protest message also do not fulfill ACLED’s requirements for inclusion."

Officers that took place in the violence were arrested, but so far there isn't evidence that off duty officers participated in violence. 900k police officers in the US, yes, I'm sure one or two were at the riots. Doesn't mean they participated.

I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

And...? Who cares? 74 million Trump voters. You found a few racists, congrats. Would you like a medal? Plenty of felons, sex offenders, so on, at BLM protests, I'm sure if I wasted time I could give you a laundry list of them that were arrested during BLM riots.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple. Or at least ONE confederate battle flag. But there were none. Weird huh? So the real question is, why would you support a political figure who draws out the only people in America waving those symbols? Why would you enter the capitol building alongside those types of people, even if it is only "a few"? Racists are one thing, but I make it a general rule not to support any cause or event if it draws the support of even one Nazi. But hey Gyfts, I see where you set YOUR standards.

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media. I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical. You clearly can't even read. I hope I never meet you or anyone like you. Have fun screaming into the void, I give up trying to shake sense into you.
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https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor

Protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5x more likely to use force against leftwing protestors than rightwing protestors, with 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only 0.5% of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement. How "rightwing" vs "leftwing" is categorized as well as all the raw data is available in the above link. I never mentioned shootings, your mush brain injected that into the conversation.

You're right -- you didn't mention law enforcement shootings. You just mentioned some irrelevant bullshit about white supremacy and police which is more of the leftist fan fiction you use to justify looting a target or burning an apartment building.

Acleddata is a leftwing propaganda group that can't even get basic facts right, see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5308781

But please do answer me what methodology they use to quantify these protests, and what objective method they use to categorize something as violent. And by violence, how do they differentiate between the severity of violence? Where do they get that data from? Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata? How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?

I'm sure you have answers to zero of these questions because you couldn't think that far enough. Just slapping a link down and hoping I wouldn't notice, hilarious.

At least two capitol police officers have been suspended, one for taking selfies and the other for putting on a MAGA hat and showing the rioters around the capitol building. Off duty officers from Washington, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and New Hampshire are either under investigation or have been reprimanded for taking part in breaching of the capitol building. At least one DC officer claims that off duty cops and military personnel were flashing badges in an attempt to enter the building.

Officers were also suspended for taking pictures with BLM protestors. In videos of officers taking pictures with these people, it wasn't clear at that point that they were rioters. Officers that took place in the violence were arrested, but so far there isn't evidence that off duty officers participated in violence. 900k police officers in the US, yes, I'm sure one or two were at the riots. Doesn't mean they participated.

Rioters storming the capitol displayed racist symbolism including swastika flags and confederate battle flags. Also spotted were t-shirts that said "Camp Auschwitz STAFF" and "6MWE” (six million weren’t enough). The Confederate flag wasn't used as a political symbol until the mid-20th century. In 1948, the Dixiecrats wanted to keep racial segregation. The Confederate flag was very prominent in the Dixiecrat campaign during the 1948 presidential election. It was also used frequently by the white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. I am not saying everyone at the capitol was a racist, but racism is prominent within the ranks of Trump supporters.

And...? Who cares? 74 million Trump voters. You found a few racists, congrats. Would you like a medal? Plenty of felons, sex offenders, so on, at BLM protests, I'm sure if I wasted time I could give you a laundry list of them that were arrested during BLM riots.

One inquiry and one full blown investigation by the FBI have dealt with the systematic infiltration into US police forces by white supremacist groups. If it was an "overstated" problem they wouldn't have spent that much money, time and effort investigating the situation.

LMFAO imagine being this naïve. The federal government torches money on a routine basis. If your argument is that something is a problem because money is spent on the matter then I advise you to do a bit more research on the bullshit the US government spends money on.

AOC never said riots and looting are okay. She said protests should make you uncomfortable. Or can't you read? It's the same argument you made to defend Trump because he never explicitly called for violence. His son and lawyer did call for violence, so within the context of his administration, his words take on new meaning to an angry crowd. He never condemned what they said. No one associated with AOC framed her comments incorrectly by calling for violence. I'm the one who said that civil disobedience is okay if you agree with the cause, not AOC. That is how America and the Constitution were formed. I simply just disagree that keeping a racist conman in office is a good reason for civil disobedience. If the people who stormed the capitol thought it was a good reason, than they took a gamble and lost. I stand against them.


You're, right, she didn't explicitly say that. I was just using your brain dead logic against you and I'm glad you recognize it. But, you don't seem very bright to recognize the nuance so I'll explain it to you -- AOC tweeted this AFTR BLM riots set fire to buildings during the summer. AOC has never once condemned BLM violence, she justifies it and normalizes. Trump clearly denounced the violence and never once insinuated that protestors should be violent. He said clearly be peaceful.

You missed the point. Her base supports her and listens to her regardless of your definition of a "real conservative" and regardless of her supposed IQ. This isn't a conversation about your personal opinions on what she said. It's a conversation about the effects of what she said. Also can you provide her IQ tests? If not then you are just someone who uses language not realizing how xenophobic it makes you look. I don't care if other people use the word retarded. I don't care if others say "Trumptard". I don't say that and this conversation is between you and I.

And AOC's base listens to AOC while she normalizes them rioting in the streets or looting a target.


You have a habit of justifying your actions with the actions of others.  

No, not really. Trump has been living in your head rent free that has caused common sense and logic to be thrown out the window. Conservatives are on board with the fact that violence is not excusable. Unfortunately, leftist have a tough time with this whenever you mention BLM riots with democrats openly normalizing violence, looting, and riots.
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A Texas woman was arrested on voter fraud charges Wednesday after a video from Project Veritas appeared to show her convincing an older woman to change her vote.

Raquel Rodriguez was arrested in San Antonio, police told KSAT 12.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office announced in a press release that Rodriguez is being charged with "election fraud, illegal voting, unlawfully assisting people voting by mail, and unlawfully possessing an official ballot."

So it begins.
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congratulations.. ONE.. yep one person.
give it time to find 10- 100-1000... but even that will still not change anything

find 7million then its news worthy...
heck find 18000....
.. but ill save you time there wont be enough finds to make a difference.  so time to move on.
trump has. so you should too
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This is overstated. I've heard this before and you are using this to paint all police as a systemically racist system. Study after study has shown no bias in police shootings with respect to whites and POC.

https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor

Protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5x more likely to use force against leftwing protestors than rightwing protestors, with 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only 0.5% of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement. How "rightwing" vs "leftwing" is categorized as well as all the raw data is available in the above link. I never mentioned shootings, your mush brain injected that into the conversation.

At least two capitol police officers have been suspended, one for taking selfies and the other for putting on a MAGA hat and showing the rioters around the capitol building. Off duty officers from Washington, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and New Hampshire are either under investigation or have been reprimanded for taking part in breaching of the capitol building. At least one DC officer claims that off duty cops and military personnel were flashing badges in an attempt to enter the building.

Rioters storming the capitol displayed racist symbolism including swastika flags and confederate battle flags. Also spotted were t-shirts that said "Camp Auschwitz STAFF" and "6MWE” (six million weren’t enough). The Confederate flag wasn't used as a political symbol until the mid-20th century. In 1948, the Dixiecrats wanted to keep racial segregation. The Confederate flag was very prominent in the Dixiecrat campaign during the 1948 presidential election. It was also used frequently by the white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. I am not saying everyone at the capitol was a racist, but racism is prominent within the ranks of Trump supporters.

One inquiry and one full blown investigation by the FBI have dealt with the systematic infiltration into US police forces by white supremacist groups. If it was an "overstated" problem they wouldn't have spent that much money, time and effort investigating the situation.

I never said all police are racist, or can't you read? I said it was a major problem.

"I can only murder, riot, and loot when I agree with the cause". Please. AOC was in the wrong and I vehemently disagree with the idea that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you think differently but for me, no, under no circumstances are riots, looting, ect. okay.

AOC never said riots and looting are okay. She said protests should make you uncomfortable. Or can't you read? It's the same argument you made to defend Trump because he never explicitly called for violence. His son and lawyer did call for violence, so within the context of his administration, his words take on new meaning to an angry crowd. He never condemned what they said. No one associated with AOC framed her comments incorrectly by calling for violence. I'm the one who said that civil disobedience is okay if you agree with the cause, not AOC. That is how America and the Constitution were formed. I simply just disagree that keeping a racist conman in office is a good reason for civil disobedience. If the people who stormed the capitol thought it was a good reason, than they took a gamble and lost. I stand against them.

No but you don't understand, she is actually retarded. She might have the IQ of a piece of fruit. I don't own her, nor do real conservatives. I don't own her base either.

You missed the point. Her base supports her and listens to her regardless of your definition of a "real conservative" and regardless of her supposed IQ. This isn't a conversation about your personal opinions on what she said. It's a conversation about the effects of what she said. Also can you provide her IQ tests? If not then you are just someone who uses language not realizing how xenophobic it makes you look. I don't care if other people use the word retarded. I don't care if others say "Trumptard". I don't say that and this conversation is between you and I. You have a habit of justifying your actions with the actions of others.  
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How capitol security was breached (from about 1:30 )
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507745-1/protesters-breach-us-capitol-security

Anyone could see it coming from a country mile
https://www.tommycarstensen.com/terrorism/CN67oIug5zAh.mp4

So now barbed wire installed at the Capitol.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1349795409187663873
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Washington Examiner logoTexas woman arrested on voter fraud charges

A Texas woman was arrested on voter fraud charges Wednesday after a video from Project Veritas appeared to show her convincing an older woman to change her vote.

Raquel Rodriguez was arrested in San Antonio, police told KSAT 12.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office announced in a press release that Rodriguez is being charged with "election fraud, illegal voting, unlawfully assisting people voting by mail, and unlawfully possessing an official ballot."

So it begins.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-closing-in-on-filling-impeachment-punch-card-for-free-sub-sandwich

Trump impeached for a second time as a result of the capitol riots! This also means he is very close to redeeming a free sandwich on his impeachment punch card!

What are the chances that the senate gets 67 votes for a conviction. Will they vote on a conviction after all the new senators are sworn in or does it not work that way?

In that case, could D's latch on 17 Republicans for impeachment? Doubt it.
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I think people who call others "tard" in public discussion put their lack of maturity and intelligence on display for all to see. We see you. That being said she was elected to the house by her base, so there are people who take her seriously even if you don't.

No but you don't understand, she is actually retarded. She might have the IQ of a piece of fruit. I don't own her, nor do real conservatives. I don't own her base either.

When an angry mob gets conflicting messages, it doesn't calm them down. Him saying that doesn't cancel out the other things that I quoted. You don't have to be genius to understand that. It is well known that within the Q community they believe Trump does not say what he really means because his plot to overthrow the Liberals is secret.

There is no conflicting message. There is the objective meaning of Trump's words, then your loose interpretation that is fueled by partisanship and hindsight bias. It's extremely easy to retroactively attribute malice with Trump's words if you already arrive at the conclusion that he is responsible for what happened at the capitol. He clearly said to protest peacefully, and you choose to ignore that.

Trump saying you cannot take back this country with weakness is not a call for violence. When politicians say that you need to "be strong" and "fight" for your rights, does that mean they're calling for their supporters to physically fight/assault dissenters? When Chris Cuomo says "show me where protests are supposed to be peaceful", is he indicating to his CNN viewers that they need to grab a 12 gauge and shove it down a Trump supporter's throat and pull trigger?

OR, does there tend to be a lot of irresponsible rhetoric in politics?

If you want to talk about what's more egregious, I would say Chris Cuomo and AOC's comments regarding "peaceful" protests after mass BLM riots is a bit more inflammatory.

Like I said before -- imagine if Trump said what AOC tweeted about BLM riots after the capitol fiasco. You think that would have been appropriate?

Police brutality and reform is a topic that people should get behind. It is a problem that requires civil disobedience.

"I can only murder, riot, and loot when I agree with the cause". Please. AOC was in the wrong and I vehemently disagree with the idea that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you think differently but for me, no, under no circumstances are riots, looting, ect. okay.

The FBI has done one inquiry and one full blown investigation into white supremacists infiltrating the police stations of America. It is a real problem.

This is overstated. I've heard this before and you are using this to paint all police as a systemically racist system. Study after study has shown no bias in police shootings with respect to whites and POC.

Donald Trump claiming the election is rigged before it even took place is not a good reason for people to use protest as a form of civil disobedience. Maybe this is just a difference of opinion and you are entitled to pick sides, but any informed person can see AOC is on the correct side of history. If people were storming the capital because they dislike Biden, Trump and the electoral college in general, I may change my tune. These aren't patriots. They are ill-informed pawns who follow a man that openly lies and shits on the constitution. If a group supporting Biden did the same thing on the 6th, I would feel the same way. Trump and Biden both are habitual manipulators who shit on the constitution. I have never seen AOC support a protest based on the lies of either of those people.

Yes. You are correct. Trump should not have said the election was rigged without evidence. AOC is precisely on the wrong side of history because no congresswoman should advocate for their agenda through violence, riots, and looting. It's inexcusable.

And I agree with you, Trump and Biden are habitual liars. I don't see Trump as a constitutionalist at all.

I see that you did not address any of my other points on ANTIFA not being a real organization or BLM having no current affiliation with John Sullivan after kicking him out.

Because I would probably agree. Idk, didn't read much into it because obviously there is no evidence that the capitol hill riot was antifa/BLM related.


So it seems you are the one who is cherry picking what gets talked about in your arguments. As you run out of defensible positions, you latch on to false comparisons.

Not quite. If you're going to refute a baseless conspiracy theory that I don't even believe in, are you saying that now I must adopt the position of this conspiracy theory for the hell of it? I picked the weakest point of your argument that I disagreed with and responded.

It is also my firm belief that people who say things like "tard" in public discourse are also the people using racial slurs in private with their friends.

Sorry  Roll Eyes But really this isn't that formal and no I don't use racial slurs. Retard isn't even that bad c'mon. I've heard "Trumptard" from the left a lot too so even they say it!

You are entitled to believe that the unlawful re-election of Trump is something that requires civil disobedience and protest. But just know that I am not on your side and I will fight to keep people like you from gaining foothold in this country. I will fight to support justice for ALL Americans who are victims of the corporate banking system and the electoral college. But when that fight is corrupted by people like Trump or Biden supporters, I am against you.

But I don't believe this. I dont think the capitol riots were appropriate. I am just not retroactively going back to Trump's speech and pretend as if he's responsible no more than I would blame Bernie Sanders when his rabid supporter shot the minority whip.
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Lauren Boebert is some right wing tard that couldn't spell constitution if she was asked to, so I don't take her or the others on your list too serious.

I think people who call others "tard" in public discussion put their lack of maturity and intelligence on display for all to see. We see you. That being said she was elected to the house by her base, so there are people who take her seriously even if you don't.

But, if we are going to cherry pick what Trump said in that speech, did you know he also said to protest peacefully?

Trump on January 6th during his speech:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” If you chose to read in between the lines of any political text, I'm sure we can tie it to violence.

When an angry mob gets conflicting messages, it doesn't calm them down. Him saying that doesn't cancel out the other things that I quoted. You don't have to be genius to understand that. It is well known that within the Q community they believe Trump does not say what he really means because his plot to overthrow the Liberals is secret.

For example - AOC saying that protests are meant to make people "uncomfortable" after BLM riots caused US cities to burn. Didn't hear anyone complaining about that?

Police brutality and reform is a topic that people should get behind. It is a problem that requires civil disobedience. The FBI has done one inquiry and one full blown investigation into white supremacists infiltrating the police stations of America. It is a real problem. Donald Trump claiming the election is rigged before it even took place is not a good reason for people to use protest as a form of civil disobedience. Maybe this is just a difference of opinion and you are entitled to pick sides, but any informed person can see AOC is on the correct side of history. If people were storming the capital because they dislike Biden, Trump and the electoral college in general, I may change my tune. These aren't patriots. They are ill-informed pawns who follow a man that openly lies and shits on the constitution. If a group supporting Biden did the same thing on the 6th, I would feel the same way. Trump and Biden both are habitual manipulators who shit on the constitution. I have never seen AOC support a protest based on the lies of either of those people.

I see that you did not address any of my other points on ANTIFA not being a real organization or BLM having no current affiliation with John Sullivan after kicking him out. So it seems you are the one who is cherry picking what gets talked about in your arguments. As you run out of defensible positions, you latch on to false comparisons. It is also my firm belief that people who say things like "tard" in public discourse are also the people using racial slurs in private with their friends.

You are entitled to believe that the unlawful re-election of Trump is something that requires civil disobedience and protest. But just know that I am not on your side and I will fight to keep people like you from gaining foothold in this country. I will fight to support justice for ALL Americans who are victims of the corporate banking system and the electoral college. But when that fight is corrupted by people like Trump or Biden supporters, I am against you.

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