Topic: Problems with bitcoin-24.com WARNING! UPDATE! - page 7. (Read 38730 times)

This guy shouldn’t be sue, he should be hunted by costumers and forced to release what he is  holding from others. Arrest, liberty restriction  or material seizure will only serve has another excuses for his lack of action.
This guy behave like he is hiding something very wrong,  If he does not run/hide in next few days he is going to crash in whatever hands !  

PM me to build a team to chase him down... it will serve for others example !

I would guess that it really doesn't matter what asset of you btc24 is holding, based on the claims processes we've had in the past years. (This is assuming he's not actively trying to hide the assets, in which case btc holders would have a hard time.)

How does that work for BTC?

So, the only way out is a KYC/AML claims process? After that, he might be able to continue operation, but probably not before.

Will Simon be able to handle this?

That's not all. According to a post in the btc24-help forum, this may have been a more serious matter than some simple suspicions: apparently Simon was in breach of European AML legislation by allowing anyone to trade large amounts of money on his website without having to provide any personal identification. When you think about it, an exchange like his could very well (have) be(en) used to launder money by some seriously bad people.

What I understand from all these documents (I am German and sorry for my bad english):

1) Starting point is the Commerzbank in Bremen. They send a "warning" to the Staatsanwaltschaft(prosecutor) that Mr. H. draws money all days of the bitcoin-24 LTD account in cash and that this is probably the money of the clients.
Like also Mr. H. said in his declaration is that the Commerzbank was fully informed about the business of bitcoin-24.

Scenario: Mr. H. goes to the Commerzbank and draws cash from the account 50k €.... 2 days later 20k€....4 days later 35k €..... 2 days..


Doing this, you can get not only problems with the tax authorities, but also with the prosecutor cause of anti-terror, anti-mafia laws.



2) The Staatsanwaltschaft decided apparently:

probable:
   a) this 23 old dj-guy is not intelligent enough to deal with responsability
   b) maybe he is using client money for privat or he thinks this is correct or his money
   c) he is a prof. scammer
   d) maybe a+b+c together

a,b,c,d: we have to protect the clients!

less probable:
   e) he finances with that money some illegal business/terrorism
   f)  money laundering for some criminal organisation...

e,f: we have seen more intelligent guys, but can be!



ALARM!!!!! We have to act!


What will be the most effectiv way to secure also the money of the polish account??? If we tell them, that he is scamming his clients....this will take weeks. So we will go for terrorism and money laundering.



UPDATE!!!! Sondermeldung!

zwei Aktenzeichen(id-numbers for the case...so you have something for your lawers):
290 JS 47630/12 wegen Geldwäscheverdacht
241 Js 380/13 wegen Betrugsverdacht


 

No, but there was a search warrant issued for any hardware he may have used in the whole BTC operation (a copy of which is now published on bitcoin-24.com, BTW) and people just went on to assume 1. that it had already been executed and 2. that it involved seizing the machine formerly running the bitcoin-24.com trading engine and/or holding the BTC wallets, but I don't think there's any proof that these steps have been taken. The website itself has never been offline through all this AFAIK and obviously he still has control over what to publish on it, so at the very least his webhosting service has not been affected by the search warrant.

Let me clarify; the claim on 'Bitcoin 24 help', as far as I can discern, is AGAINST Simon and Bitcoin-24.com but it does state that the money owed was given freely and was not phished.

Apparently on the 16th Simon's hardware was confiscated after somebody filed a complaint. This is what I can gather from the statements on his website. Although I dont speak German.

It won't be easy to resolve when people go submitting claims to the prosecutor or police that the operator has run off with our money. The server equipment will be held as evidence and not released. 

Which is what someone has done and what has now happened. It makes the whole thing harder to resolve.
 

Thats what i also thought, the the complaint was made to help simon, not to accuse him.

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Simon has no hardware??? What do you mean? Is this guy under arrest?

What a pr*ck seriously. "Will will have a withdrawal page TOMORROW" said 3 days ago. WHERE IS THAT DAMN WITHDRAWAL PAGE ?? Not a man of his words. I can totally understand it some people want to take it personally, including me.

I give him the options:
1) Tell us honestly he scammed us and we are fucked, then we know it for sure
2) Stick to his words and put up that withdrawal page..


But promising that withdrawal page, making false promises all the time, really makes him a dick. What an irony, he first said he didn't want to put a deadline because otherwise we would accuse him of not doing it. Well now that he was so sure of his deadline, where are the friggin deeds

C'mon man .... What a BS. What is this guy thinking?

Maybe hes missing on a few K btc, and is secretly using our btc to sell at profit now that the time is rising, then he will buy cheap coins again, so he can re-fund anyone. And he's saying all this BS to stretch some time .... He hopes fixing everything and then appearing as he finally has his shit together, hoping that he wouldnt get any more negative publicity. But he doesn't realize he already made more than enough negative publicity that no one will ever trust his exchange..

SIMON, if you are reading this: IF YOU GIVE OUR (or at least my) BTC back within the next 24 hours, we will forgive you and not spread any negative message, and we will act as if you had your shit together !

It appears a complaint was made to the police but it stated that the money involved was not phished and we are the legal owners of it.

One thing is clear; Simon has no hardware and is pretty much fucked at the moment. Those that have BTC, who knows what will happen. Do they police have any idea what BTC are? I doubt it. Those that have fiat; the money is safe - maybe too safe. The government will stew on this for a long time perhaps.

Unless ThreeMan's English is horrible, I understood correctly that he always wanted to file a complaint against Simon's company and that's exactly what he did.

See the full text of the home page, where he talks about a class action lawsuit against Bitcoin-24 and not against the police: http://btc24-help.com
... and see this forum post about what he did today: http://board.btc24-help.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52&sid=1b58d50ed7dcaaca4dc62df4b1f8616c#p338

Hell, I'm not even sure all the victims who sent him their information were fully aware what kind of complaint they were contributing to. Already some people have expressed disagreement with the way their information has been used, i.e. against Simon instead of the police or the Polish bank.

Anyone correct me if i'm wrong but i think donjoe mis-understood the whole thing. As i read the message i udnerstand a complaint was sent against the GERMAN POLICE, not against Simon.
I understood that the police froze the account because they thought Simon was a phisher, and i quote from btc24-help.com "We pointed out, that everyone sent money to Simon Hausdorf voluntarily."
So they made clear to the german autorities that WE and SIMON are the victims, making clear that Simon didn't phish anyone, and we all did it voluntary..

That's not a case agaist Simon....


Well that's what i understand of it.

thank god I had no money with them but I feel for anyone who did. I don't think its a scam, but its definitely a shitty situation

OK, the isht may have just hit the fan: the admin of btc24-help.com has filed a complaint with the German authorities against BTC24 Ltd. in the name of several customers, as if Simon was to blame for everything that happened, especially the blocking of all funds. I have serious doubts this was the right course of action at this point.

http://btc24-help.com/deutsch-anzeige-ist-raus/

Which makes me wonder, WHY does he withdraw it from his business account directly? Rather than transfering it to his private account and then withdrawing it.
First thing that comes to my mind is tax evasion? Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to me. Also.. does this mean that he has a pincard to withdraw cash from an account that has €5MIO+??

Just to set you straight here. Simon was perfectly entitled to those cash withdrawals, they were the % fees he charged for cash transfers. They are his only source of income related to btc24.

+1!!!

Yes, the wallets are listed in the dedicated forum as well: http://board.btc24-help.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4&sid=3e13d45566bfd58ce8e360c8fdd0b7d1

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