Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 30, 2022, 01:40:13 AM

My advice.... stop using the Martingale strategy when you see a losing streak coming....and mix it up a little. Wink

That's right there's a lot of strategies you can use and you can mix them up and I think you can verify each bet you do in Freebitco.in so there's no way they would cheat on their players and they are publicly available and I think the OP is just frustrated that he lose his Satoshis.

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I can understand that a newbie gambler will question Freebitco.in's Provably fairness, if they use the Martingale Strategy on that site. I too tried it in the early days, when the site still gave 1000 Satoshi per hour on their faucet and I failed miserably.

My conspiracy theory was that Freebitco.in ran some kind of Martingale counter to protect them, but over the years I saw expert gamblers doing the math and testing the Provably fairness of the site and it all checked out.

My advice.... stop using the Martingale strategy when you see a losing streak coming....and mix it up a little. Wink

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Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 04, 2020, 10:02:51 PM

Quote from: mk4 on April 04, 2020, 09:51:30 PM

What's the problem? Though it's definitely in the 'unlucky' side, losing 13 times in a row is definitely a possibility. It's not like the possibility of you winning the gamble goes up after every loss.

Also, with freebitco.in, the possibility of you winning a x2 multiplier is 47.50% not 50%.

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

Freebitcoi.in is a gambling website that has established its reputation in the internet as one of the most trusted and biggest websites. I doubt that they would pull any rugs under the table that could cost them years of reputation building. I would like to remind you OP that you are in a gambling environment- anything could happen as long as the odds permit it to be.

Again let me reiterate, a person could experience as much as winning 17 times in a row or losing 17 times in a row depending on your luck. Consider this as a bad day on your end and move on. If you are truly bothered by such experience, then feel free to contact their customer support in order to inquire on your problem.

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What know from experience is if I change the chance to 85 percent and bet under 100 I'll will all day but go over like 300 and I'll lose immediately and frequently, so I know it's not fair.

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Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Well actually same thought on mine , I had just explained my own experience for others enlightenment because at some point this is misleading ,
Freebitco is offering free satoshis , even How cheap is the hourly free yet it is FREE and you cannot just find site like that everywhere.

But my concern now is , Why seems that the free satoshi is dropping ? i started getting 6 satoshis per hourly spins
then drops to 5 and now it is 4 sats per hour , what comes next 3 then 2 then 1 ? in the end does this mean 0 freebies ?

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

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We cannot deny that there are people make a complain once they encounter that's kind of streak and they need to understand that it's so normal as there are really times that luck is not on our side especially when we keep betting together with we are chasing to get back what we lose on that day. Maybe other gamblers need to relax and comeback on the other day once they are starting to lose since forced theirselves to play more and continue to lose well for sure they will give that statement that they are cheated by the casino while the real problem there is they are the one who can be blame for their actions when they are betting.

Good if they would able to realize but not all would really be having that kind of mindset.Come to think that this industry had been profiting or making big revenues just because of that kind of behavior out of those gamblers who are trying to prove out that making money with gambling is easy and possible.They wont stop as long they do have money to spent and if they do lose then they would just simply make some reasoning or alibis for them just to continue until they do wreck up their lives and would have a hard time on recovering and ending up neither on committing suicide or becoming a homeless person.
This is a bit far-off topic for this thread so lets just stick out on the topic and avoid on saying these very common discussion about addiction and chasing losses.
Freebitco.in is fair and reputable and anyone who do claims out for it not to be then they are just simply those loses who cant just accept defeat.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 28, 2021, 02:59:31 PM

Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Some gamblers are really taking it seriously without even realizing that gambling does involved mostly on the losers side if you werent lucky enough.
13 straight loss isnt something that you can whine off specially on using up that common martingale strategy then these kind of losing streaks arent really surprising.
If they werent fair since from the start then they wont really be lasting up for how many years already into this market.
Just accept the fact that he's just unlucky on playing up games and moved on.

We cannot deny that there are people make a complain once they encounter that's kind of streak and they need to understand that it's so normal as there are really times that luck is not on our side especially when we keep betting together with we are chasing to get back what we lose on that day. Maybe other gamblers need to relax and comeback on the other day once they are starting to lose since forced theirselves to play more and continue to lose well for sure they will give that statement that they are cheated by the casino while the real problem there is they are the one who can be blame for their actions when they are betting.

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Quote from: onrise on January 28, 2021, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

Some gamblers are really taking it seriously without even realizing that gambling does involved mostly on the losers side if you werent lucky enough.
13 straight loss isnt something that you can whine off specially on using up that common martingale strategy then these kind of losing streaks arent really surprising.
If they werent fair since from the start then they wont really be lasting up for how many years already into this market.
Just accept the fact that he's just unlucky on playing up games and moved on.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

It could just be one of the rare scenarios if had lost 13 straight in a go and that is nothing more than being unlucky. Also, we users need to understand that do not expect a win from the game always else all the sites if they do not make money would be shut. So somebody has to lose so that site ends up making money, now it could be any one of us only thing being lucky helps you to save form losing it.

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I have Been Playing using my freebies in this Site and never experience that 13 losing streak , though i have i believe 8 straight yet in the 9th i won.

And also i have been accumulating satoshi per hour for free and even won 5000 from their free spins per 24 hrs .

So i think this is only a isolated case and not that an issue to be making a big deal.

and also a Newbie that filing this scenario inside makes it sounds like a Flag for me.

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Quote from: bonjouros on January 27, 2021, 02:10:26 PM

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue.

Actually, provably fair is there for exactly this purpose: you can check the outcome of your bets yourself and don't have to rely on the casino not cheating you:

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How It Works
In a provably fair gambling system, a player places bets on games offered by the service operator. The service operator will publish a method for verifying each transaction in the game. This is usuallydone by using open source algorithms for random seed generation, hashing, and for the random number generator.

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Btw. BTCGosu hosts a provably fair verifier on their website, this verifier also supports the verification of bets on freebitco.in: Provably Fair Verifier – Verify Your Bets

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Quote from: bonjouros on January 27, 2021, 02:10:26 PM

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue. If you think that losing 13 times in a row will prove that their feature is unbias then it will be better that you should stay from freebitco.in as other will surely to follow if they can experience the same scenario to what you have experienced.

But with regards to winning percentage, I guess you have misunderstanding as it is not 50/50 chances knowing that there is a house edge for sure like in their x2 which game the house a 2.5% house edge so they have a better chances of winning compare to the players.

'Provably fair' means you shouldn't have to trust if they are telling the truth or not. You can figure it out yourself with the formula that is on their website.

The house edge is actually 5%. Odds of you winning are 47.5% and odds of the house winning are 52.5%. Their odds are 5% better.

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Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 04, 2020, 09:39:22 PM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Provably fair feature is very difficult to prove whether they are telling the truth or not is a matter of trust issue. If you think that losing 13 times in a row will prove that their feature is unbias then it will be better that you should stay from freebitco.in as other will surely to follow if they can experience the same scenario to what you have experienced.

But with regards to winning percentage, I guess you have misunderstanding as it is not 50/50 chances knowing that there is a house edge for sure like in their x2 which game the house a 2.5% house edge so they have a better chances of winning compare to the players.

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Quote from: shoreno on January 26, 2021, 10:23:13 AM

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13 times in a row its just a short lose streak, i've gamble on it and lose 0.2 btc with 67 streak losses. with 2.1 multiplier and 117% raise bet on losses.

That's terrible but not sure someone will have 67 streak losses with 2.1 multipler, as from my roughly calculation, most of longest streak would be multipler*10, so with 2.1 multipler, longest streak losses would be around 21 streak losses
Which site you have played before? Don't tell me you playing on 999dice

thats why im thinking too . 67 straight losses on 2x multi are unbelievable and he call 13 loss streak short ? short is something 4 to 5 but 13 ? thats already too much imho

he raises his bet at 117 % on loss and still ended up at 67 losses , thats also unbelievable but i think he will loose his coins quick enough with that percent of increase before he reaches to 67 rolls . he plays on freebitco too based on his explanation but is 999dice that bad ? maybe , because i never heard of this site before .

When calculating odds then this one will really be a good one https://forum.stake.com/topic/18281-calculate-possible-losing-bets-in-a-row-with-odds-calculator/

https://www.smartgamblingedge.com/p/odds-calculator.html

Using this up for example on putting 1000 bets with 2.1 odds then it would really result into possible losing bets in a row which is on 325. Sounds too much?

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13 times in a row its just a short lose streak, i've gamble on it and lose 0.2 btc with 67 streak losses. with 2.1 multiplier and 117% raise bet on losses.

That's terrible but not sure someone will have 67 streak losses with 2.1 multipler, as from my roughly calculation, most of longest streak would be multipler*10, so with 2.1 multipler, longest streak losses would be around 21 streak losses
Which site you have played before? Don't tell me you playing on 999dice

thats why im thinking too . 67 straight losses on 2x multi are unbelievable and he call 13 loss streak short ? short is something 4 to 5 but 13 ? thats already too much imho

he raises his bet at 117 % on loss and still ended up at 67 losses , thats also unbelievable but i think he will loose his coins quick enough with that percent of increase before he reaches to 67 rolls . he plays on freebitco too based on his explanation but is 999dice that bad ? maybe , because i never heard of this site before .

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 11, 2020, 05:25:21 AM

Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

No, but the original poster was talking about dice game so I suggested him to play at crypto-games if he wanted a provably fair well know casino with very low house edge ( unlike freebitco.in where the house edge is more than 2% I think. Don't remember / can't find the house edge being mentioned on their site anywhere). Playing at freebitco.in is very risky. Why play dice at a casino with a very high house edge? You are trying to say that you should play dice at freebitco.in because they have sportsbook? lol.

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Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 04, 2020, 10:02:51 PM

Quote from: mk4 on April 04, 2020, 09:51:30 PM

What's the problem? Though it's definitely in the 'unlucky' side, losing 13 times in a row is definitely a possibility. It's not like the possibility of you winning the gamble goes up after every loss.

Also, with freebitco.in, the possibility of you winning a x2 multiplier is 47.50% not 50%.

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

In most online casinos, including crypto and non crypto casinos, games are provably fair. The mistake that players always make is that they ignore the fact that house edge has power there and they can't go against mathematics rules when you play with numbers.
Always win on long term is on casinos's side, games have house edge because to keep casinos running their business and getting profit from it. Without house edge, casinos would go bankrupt.
You also miss one fact, the provably fair games aren't tracking your previous bets and think, oh this man has done bet 15 times and now it's time to win. New bet = new story written on new paper where your old data doesn't even exist.

And if anyone wants to play dice, logically they should look for other websites where dice is their main target and offer dozens of promotions around it along with 1% house edge.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on April 11, 2020, 05:57:06 AM

Quote from: Saint-loup on April 11, 2020, 05:25:21 AM

Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

In behalf of adzino-- No they havent but they have lots of variety of games that you can play on. Cheesy

When it comes to dice then this site do have the lowest house edge.

On topic, freebitco.in is been trusted for years and they wont last for years upto now if they arent fair at all or they're doing shady stuffs..

Thank you for your reply.
Well, if you want to be sure to play a fair game on freebitcoin, you just need to change the client seed and to replace it by your own client seed(which can be whatever word you want)
Then you can easily check if the result is ok or not with the server seed and with its hash.

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People have to keep saying the same thing over and over again in order to make sure it is ingrained in peoples mind that you can lose many times in a row and that is not how you disprove the provably fair. What people are not really talking about too much is the fact that provably fair is not trust based thing and it is factually "provably" fair, as in there is a code behind it and there is a technology behind it, so there is a data that backs up the provably fair claim of the websites and when you lose many times in a row you can check it and see if it was provably fair or not from that system and can see that.

Some people think that provably fair is just websites claiming to be like that but are not, no website can claim to be provably fair and turn out not for a long time, eventually someone will figure that out.

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Just because you lost, it doesn't immediately translate into bullshit stuff. It's better to understand that there are possibilities that you cannot foresee or foretell. If you gamble, you should be aware of the risk. Just make sure you don't lose the money that you are going to use for your necessities, like rent. Lol.

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