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Topic: Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair. - page 4. (Read 1199 times)

legendary
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Honestly bitcoin dice gambling has been around for probably around a decade now, satosidice was the first one and I do not remember when it first ever started but it must be getting close to a decade nowadays, or maybe one year away. With all of that in mind, can people still be shocked that they can lose too many times in a row? That happens when you gamble too much, you also win too many times in a row as well but in martingale you do not realize it all that much unfortunately.

Just realize already that in a long enough period of time people will lose too many times in a row that martingale is not a perfect idea, if it was everyone would do martingale and get rich and casinos would bankrupt, the only reason why casinos are still standing is the fact that eventually you will lose.
legendary
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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

I have busted numerous times on many gambling websites, the one I used the most being PrimeDice. It's very common, welcome to gambling. Had you won 13x in a row, you wouldn't have posted a thread to praise them. I thought it's pretty obvious that casinos are made for their owners to earn money, not to lose it. So you're always going to be half a step behind the casino, but you do have a chance to step ahead if you're lucky enough.

In fact, I have busted after a streak of more than 20x losses. It's gambling. Kinda awkward to be sad that you've lost - it's part of the game, throw a bit of unluckiness dust on a session and there you go..
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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

Then you shouldn't be playing dice anywhere for money, because these streaks are very common.

The chances of getting such a streak again are quite large on sites with house edge of 5% or higher (it's even very common on sites with lower house edge), 'cause there is a huge range of numbers you can't win on when you place x2 bets (in this case you can't win when hitting numbers between 47.50 and 52.50). But again, you shouldn't falsely accuse casinos for being unfair, it will only make you look bad.
newbie
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its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.
legendary
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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.


This is an unfortunate turn of events, but it doesn't prove that the website's cheating. To prove that it's not provably fair, I believe you'd have to point out a particular trick/weakness in the code that makes it possible. I mean, isn't the whole point of the provably fair mechanism is that you can check every bet to see if it was a truly random outcome? Have you even tried to do that, to check that provably fair thing? No matter how big a sample of data you take, there will be people saying that it's still a possibility, no matter how low, and they'd be right. But thousands of bets would mean a super-low possibility and thus higher suspicions, while I am sure many of us who played dice for a while faced this 10+ in a row situation.
hero member
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C'mon, man. It's quite possible to lose 13x at a row. you are over reacting in this. I have lost more than 13x even but I have won too. Would you say a word to freebitco.in or ask here anything if you win more than 13x at a row? However, you have no way to verify that it's legit or not. Better move on and try again, that's how people win more than 13x at a row.
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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.




It's not 50%-50%, but 47.5%-52.5% as other users have already mentioned, so basically, you haven't lost 12 times in a row due to scam or unfairness/whatever, but because of the high house edge, otherwise you would have won the last bet and covered a part your losses.

How is it possible to lose 12 or 13 times in less than 1 minute?

Random can be a bitch, each roll is a roll generated on its own and has nothing to do with previous rolls. It's not bullshit, but plain bad luck.


When you gamble, try to accept losses like this too. This topic should be locked as there is no valid proof to accuse a casino with a very good reputation when it comes to fairness.
legendary
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So if the chance of losing is 52.5 percent, to lose 12 times in a row like you did is (.525)^12 * 100 meaning a 0.044% chance. It's not necessarily impossible that you lost, you just have terrible luck. Their house edge is massive anyways so I'm not sure why you're using their dice game to actually win money.
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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.



OP not every day is lucky day aswell not all your bets will win sometimes long lost streak will occur and it will not never define for a site that they are not fair, better not to live or take gambling seriously so that you will not expect anything to much on it.

And hopefully you get a clarification for the peoples answer here since this type of game is base on luck and just think this way if we win today well that's good but if not move on.
newbie
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Come on, OP. I've lost more than 30 times in a row 2 or 3 years ago in this same web and I didn't say the game isn't provably fair. It's just a matter of statistics and house edge. Simple as that.
sr. member
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How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit.

Because the win chance is always <50% for all the rolls you made. It's not like the winning chance gets better every time you lose, the winning chance is always less than <50 in all dice sites and you might even have a streak of 30+ loss if you are unlucky.

And this isn't a proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair. You can always verify your rolls if you got any doubt.
hero member
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Firstly, welcome to the gambling world op since you seem to be an amateur based on what I have read so far in this thread. You are honestly complaining about losing 13 times in a row? That is nothing. I personally know people who lost 25+ times in a row.

Also, Freebitco house edge is way higher when compared to sites like Stake etc which is why losing 13 times in a row is nothing in this site. Stop complaining without doing your research op.
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You've got the lesson. I think you now know that gambling is not fair Grin

You should call yourself is not lucky, and don't blame the system because the house will take all of your money. People who gamble should know what the risk in gambling is, so they don't chase the winning but enjoy the games. I don't know if freebitco.in is not provably fair or not because I don't play too much like other people.
legendary
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If I win more than 10 times in a row, the game is probably rigged too right?  Grin
Though the probability of that happening is too low, it can happen still and Freebitco.in remains provably fair.

That's just bad luck mate, maybe you woke up at the wrong side of the bed this morning.  Wink
hero member
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I don't know if the OP is new in dice game but what he stated is just a normal one. Losing those 13 consecutive streaks is not impossible to happen but actually a normal one. Also, martingale strategy doesn't work all the time, if he wanted to apply on that. If he is playing dice for long time and not only freebitco, I guess he will encounter such long losing streaks. This is not an isolated case.
I totally agree with your point because strategies are made by people who gamble but wanted to win however he/she can using such strategiesor experimenting strategies to use when gambling. In op's case, I really don't know what op used when gambling on freebitco . in and posted here about the lose streak.
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You really think it's 50/50 win or lose chance?. You just want to earn money and whining about how you lose. The winning percentage is not 50/50 but 47.50 win rate and 52.50 lose rate so don't ever think that you'll win all the time or for a couple times. It is clearly that you are very unlucky. Just accept the fact that you lose in a row.

I don't know if the OP is new in dice game but what he stated is just a normal one. Losing those 13 consecutive streaks is not impossible to happen but actually a normal one. Also, martingale strategy doesn't work all the time, if he wanted to apply on that. If he is playing dice for long time and not only freebitco, I guess he will encounter such long losing streaks. This is not an isolated case.
full member
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You really think it's 50/50 win or lose chance?. You just want to earn money and whining about how you lose. The winning percentage is not 50/50 but 47.50 win rate and 52.50 lose rate so don't ever think that you'll win all the time or for a couple times. It is clearly that you are very unlucky. Just accept the fact that you lose in a row.
hero member
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Probably a newbie but an addicted dicer(I don't know if that's even a word) who's invited by a friend referral then clicked that autobet function and he loses 13 streak over it then claiming that a established gambling platform was not probably fair, seems your having some personal issues.
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legendary
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Why is it that every few months there is someone who is surprised their "Martingaling strategy" has suddenly failed due to >15+ losses in a row.

We have all been there. We discover dice and see how easy it is to make money. Basically bet $1 and if you lose, bet $2 next round and you will always win. Its impossible to get over 10 losses in a row correct? Wrong.

I think I was cleaned out before with like 15-16 reds in a row on 50/50 dice a few years back. Basically built up my account for weeks with martingale and eventually it failed that one time and lost the entire account.

Yes. The Martingale Strategy. Been on the tip of my tongue since my first reply and simply didn't mention it instead because I forgot what it was called. Been a victim of that too in the past when I was in my younger years. You quickly learned that for that strategy to be viable in the slightest, you would need A LOT more capital than what you thought. I completely underestimated how fast the doubling could grow.
sr. member
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Freebitco.in has been in business for years now and it has been very transparent with their process.
That's why they also display their process of calculating their next roll. They also show the client seed and nonce used for calculating the previous roll.
So it's just a matter of luck I would say. If your luck was too bad you can even lose 20 times in a row and then win the next ones.
If your luck is too good you can even win 10 times in a row. 47% chances of winning in no way guarantees that the number acquired would definitely make you a profit. It's just pure luck.
It is all about luck, I previously used Freebitcoin.in and for me they are fair and not doing any bad and that is why for me that they are transparent. You lose 13 times because your multiplier is x2. It is better if you will earn more experience in order for you to understand how the dice games work. Maybe you try other dice games in other sites that have look a like with the dice game of freebitcoi.in
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