Proof that Freebitco.in game is not provably fair. - page 2.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 11, 2020, 02:52:21 PM

Quote from: acdc on April 11, 2020, 02:46:07 PM

Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

This isnt only applied on Freebitco alone but in all dice sites as well no matter how big their house edge or small it is.Tendency or chance of losing streak is inevitable and 10x lose in a row is indeed small.I do even experience 20x in a row which totally burn all of my balance in a blink of an eye..First of when i was a newbie then it do give out that kind of question on mind on hows that possible but later on i realize
on how do thing works and we shouldnt really expect too much that making money is easy as hell.Freebitco is reputable and been known by many btw and they arent shady at all-- OP just got burned by typical losing streaks that he might even not experience before.

Until now freebitco is still a very good betting platform, lots of people participate in gambling there. However, there are still many allegations regarding too many consecutive losses in a short time.
I personally think that if someone is a newcomer and does not have a lot of knowledge or self-control, it is best not to engage in gambling.

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I think its time to put this topic to rest, basically its over 4 pages long and its been over a week since the OP replied and most likely he won't be active in this topic again. People are saying the same thing over and over again and its becoming repetitive.

I don't understand why the OP created a new thread instead of just posting in the already active Freebitco.in thread where he would of gotten the same support. Because people create these new threads and very quickly the topic reaches a conclusion however people still keep posting without reading any posts except the main post.

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Quote from: STT on April 11, 2020, 07:23:36 AM

Martin is a pleb, dont do that. It dont work from multiple perspectives, mostly imo because it never really pays alot just repays prior loss so pointless risk as OP gives details on; these streaks can happen.

It should be unlikely but I agree none of these games were ever in your favour so thats a bad starting point to be in disappointment, you arent owed anything in fact you know for sure the odds are against you.
However it should be unlikely to get 13 repeats in a row, I put it into a calculator for odds and its far less then 1% chance in theory. Alot of people dont like theories, they want definite but that aint gambling sadly :p

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The conclusion of failure or corruption has to be weighed against the millions of players who attempt the same thing. Just very roughly, the odds shown above are 1 in 4344 so for every amount of customers who play this game it can happen. I would advise you to stream your games gambling, as a record and proof and if you are correct and there is unfair bias it will show up.

0.02% sounds like very favorable odds, however that percentage goes up the more wagers you make. If you want to make a decent amount of profit like 100,000 satoshis you will need a minimum of 100k rolls. The odds of getting 13 consecutive losses with that many rolls is close to 100%.

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Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 04, 2020, 09:39:22 PM

How it is possible to lose 13 times in less than 1 minute, with a game that have 50 % win / 50% lose chance?. bullshit. fortunatelly i only bet 17k satoshi...

dont spend your satoshis on this shit game.

Because you didn't win doesn't mean that the site isn't fair?
The website has been operating for so long and this is the first time that I have seen this kind of accusation you are crying for 17K Satoshi because the system didn't let you win.
I guess you are one of those who have been watching some tricks on youtube and dreaming of making it real on your own.
And beside you could enjoy their game without even spending your own money beceause they have a faucet if you don't have enough money or doesn't want to deposit.

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on April 05, 2020, 02:42:48 PM

Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 05, 2020, 01:59:22 PM

its not fair, and y'all appear to be paid bots or persons on behalf of freebitcoin site, i have played a true fair random number from random.org on a 1 - 10000 range for 6 hours, and i never got a streak of even 8 loses (under 5k) or a streak of 8 wins (above 5k) have u ever won 30 times? if the probability is almost the same, then some day you could win 20 or 30 times, but this wont happen!! never!!, bullshit, anyways i wont bet again.

I have busted numerous times on many gambling websites, the one I used the most being PrimeDice. It's very common, welcome to gambling. Had you won 13x in a row, you wouldn't have posted a thread to praise them. I thought it's pretty obvious that casinos are made for their owners to earn money, not to lose it. So you're always going to be half a step behind the casino, but you do have a chance to step ahead if you're lucky enough.

In fact, I have busted after a streak of more than 20x losses. It's gambling. Kinda awkward to be sad that you've lost - it's part of the game, throw a bit of unluckiness dust on a session and there you go..

I hope by now, the OP realized that he is in gambling and what he was complaining about is really a normal outcome just like in dice. And why would users here will defend freebitco if they also see something shady here? Freebitco has been here for so long, and that kind of complaint I can say is not valid.

You are right 20kevin20, had he won 13 consecutive streaks, guess he will be silent about it and just keep on playing.

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This is indeed a good example. It is not without reason that Bookmakers always offer 50-50% matches with odds of around 1.85
If two teams or players are equally matched, these odds will be around this course.
If you looked at the situation hypothetically, and the same amount was invested in both markets, keep the bookmaker an advantage of like 5-10%, even before the game has started.

Example:
100 @ 1.85 on Player A
100 @ 1.85 on Player B

So the return is always 185, while 200 comes in. (Revenue 15) In the long run, it should be profitable for a bookmaker, because of these kind of benefits.

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Quote from: acdc on April 11, 2020, 02:46:07 PM

Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

This isnt only applied on Freebitco alone but in all dice sites as well no matter how big their house edge or small it is.Tendency or chance of losing streak is inevitable and 10x lose in a row is indeed small.I do even experience 20x in a row which totally burn all of my balance in a blink of an eye..First of when i was a newbie then it do give out that kind of question on mind on hows that possible but later on i realize
on how do thing works and we shouldnt really expect too much that making money is easy as hell.Freebitco is reputable and been known by many btw and they arent shady at all-- OP just got burned by typical losing streaks that he might even not experience before.

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Surely you are not the only case, I guess 90% of people who used to play frebitco have encountered a situation of losing many times in a row in a short time.
I also encountered the same situation, constantly losing dozens of times in a short time. Although it is entirely possible, the chance that you lose 10 times in a row is very small.

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In short, most gambling sites are mostly in favor of the house that means when you are going to gamble the result would be more likely that you' lose and seldomyl wins. That is why it's called gamble because if you alsways win then it is not gamble at all but a giveaway or free.

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Martin is a pleb, dont do that. It dont work from multiple perspectives, mostly imo because it never really pays alot just repays prior loss so pointless risk as OP gives details on; these streaks can happen.

It should be unlikely but I agree none of these games were ever in your favour so thats a bad starting point to be in disappointment, you arent owed anything in fact you know for sure the odds are against you.
However it should be unlikely to get 13 repeats in a row, I put it into a calculator for odds and its far less then 1% chance in theory. Alot of people dont like theories, they want definite but that aint gambling sadly :p

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The conclusion of failure or corruption has to be weighed against the millions of players who attempt the same thing. Just very roughly, the odds shown above are 1 in 4344 so for every amount of customers who play this game it can happen. I would advise you to stream your games gambling, as a record and proof and if you are correct and there is unfair bias it will show up.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on April 11, 2020, 05:25:21 AM

Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

In behalf of adzino-- No they havent but they have lots of variety of games that you can play on. Cheesy

When it comes to dice then this site do have the lowest house edge.

On topic, freebitco.in is been trusted for years and they wont last for years upto now if they arent fair at all or they're doing shady stuffs..

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Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

They supposed to be a faucet site before but when I think their High/low and lottery click to the public they upgrade and became a gambling site.

But since they used to run for quite a long time for sure many people thinks that they are reputable and quitely they are impressive for giving a good game as of now, so maybe this is the reason why people play their and I quitely like this site.

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Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

On freebitcoin there is a sportsbook where you can bet on many events.
Does crypto-games offer that feature?

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Quote from: desertfox470 on April 09, 2020, 07:08:11 PM

Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

This. The bets are unique and don't rely on previous bets. The 50% means 50/50 win loss. Not just you lost one so the next is a guaranteed win. I think that's where a lot of people kind of get messed up thinking that losing 4 in a row can't happen.

i think thats what theyre missing here. and also maybe the op is new in dice game?? this is very possible to happen tbh..i hope he will change his stance on freebitco after realising some facts here..

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Quote from: adzino on April 10, 2020, 05:10:58 PM

I don't why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

I agree, as a faucet they are well-known. I was the first faucet serves I even used.
However, I saw the proof provided by the thread creator. He actually missed one thing. even if the change to win is 50% still it doesn't mean that you will win 5 game out of 10 games. The algorithm is competently random, but yes there still a chance for the game provider to make some little tricks.

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I don't know why anyone would play at Freebitco.in. They used to be a faucet if I remember correctly. And then I think they started providing lottery where people could use their faucet winnings to buy lottery tickets. Gradually they introduced dice or probably came with lottery, not sure.
Anyway, why would you even go and play there when there are lot of other well known casinos? Look at their house edge. Its a total turn off. There are casinos that provides house edge lower than 1% (crypto-games.net has like around 0.8% house edge). Play over there, you have better chance of winning.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

I wouldn't say it's 50-50% because statistically you will encounter more often 3 losses in a row streaks than 4 in a row ones. And more often "10000" losses in a row streaks than 10001 in a row ones. So statistically you have more chances to win and to get a smaller loss streak than to lose and to get a longer one...

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Quote from: mk4 on April 04, 2020, 10:27:42 PM

Quote from: fmrmx1 on April 04, 2020, 10:02:51 PM

not quite, i have had more rounds today, i lost 10 times on another round , but i won 1 times and recovered my lost satoshi, say wathever u say this is not a provably fair game... also a friend played some months ago and he lost 17 times in a round, for y'all if you dont want to risk your satoshi, dont bet on this website.

Tell you what. While I think there's no way for us to really find out if the "win chance" percentage is actually legitimate or not and while I'm definitely no probability or statistics expert, even if we manually set it to 50%(hence lower potential winnings), having such a losing streak is in no way impossible. And taking note that you had your multiplier set to 2 hence your chances of winning is lower than 50%(47.50%). Don't underestimate the -2.5% difference.

Even with that 2.5% house is at its winning side already. I guess OP will have to play more often to increase the odds of winning. Frankly speaking its all about money business and I have read threads who summed up that "more your play, higher your winning chances"

Off-course it is always part your consistency which will bring back the losses along the way.

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Quote from: adaseb on April 05, 2020, 12:04:28 AM

Why is it that every few months there is someone who is surprised their "Martingaling strategy" has suddenly failed due to >15+ losses in a row.

We have all been there. We discover dice and see how easy it is to make money. Basically bet $1 and if you lose, bet $2 next round and you will always win. Its impossible to get over 10 losses in a row correct? Wrong.

I think I was cleaned out before with like 15-16 reds in a row on 50/50 dice a few years back. Basically built up my account for weeks with martingale and eventually it failed that one time and lost the entire account.

Yes. The Martingale Strategy. Been on the tip of my tongue since my first reply and simply didn't mention it instead because I forgot what it was called. Been a victim of that too in the past when I was in my younger years. You quickly learned that for that strategy to be viable in the slightest, you would need A LOT more capital than what you thought. I completely underestimated how fast the doubling could grow.

Martingaling : That is something really new for me. That's the learning today from gambling side. I will research more on this strategy on my own to see the chances of winning.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 09, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

This. The bets are unique and don't rely on previous bets. The 50% means 50/50 win loss. Not just you lost one so the next is a guaranteed win. I think that's where a lot of people kind of get messed up thinking that losing 4 in a row can't happen.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on April 09, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Quote from: desertfox470 on April 07, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

While it is unlikely I don't see it as being impossible. It's kind of like losing a bunch of hands in bj. Sure it's highly unlikely to lose that many rolls in a row, but I'm sure a major amount or rolls every day are done on the site that would make abnormalities like this happen possibly.

He just haven't realized that even getting 100times red in a row is a normal thing in gambling especially if you do the martingale, sayonara.

And you know what you can get 5 green in a row on 30x multiplier! I've experienced it. Isn't it sounds like unfair?
Unfortunately that's gambling.

This is basically the proof that some people still don't know what the odds are and what they mean. A 50% is a 50% and there is nothing changing that at all. You can gamble 10000 times and lose 10000 times and the next one still will be 50% chance to win and not suddenly lower because you had so many losses in a row.

Previous bets do not have anything to do with the future bets, all bets are individual and they should be seen and gambled that way. Of course, you would expect to win after certain time because 50% is half the chance to win equal chance to lose so you would think eventually you would win, but that doesn't have to happen just because you wish that to happen.

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