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The greater complexity has more order within it.
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Chaos can be quite complex.

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

So now you are expressing that you don't understand the words of my post that you quoted above. You really need to go back to school, if simply for your own posting dignity in this forum.

Oh, I think I'm getting closer. I think I just hit a nail on the head.

Woodworking class again. Cheesy

With you it is.

You're the one who talked about hitting some nail on the head. That's pretty good for a beginner.

Cheesy

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

So now you are expressing that you don't understand the words of my post that you quoted above. You really need to go back to school, if simply for your own posting dignity in this forum.

Oh, I think I'm getting closer. I think I just hit a nail on the head.

Woodworking class again. Cheesy

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

So now you are expressing that you don't understand the words of my post that you quoted above. You really need to go back to school, if simply for your own posting dignity in this forum.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:24:36 PM

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
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Chaos can be quite complex.

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:24:36 PM

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
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Chaos can be quite complex.

Damn I'm so tired it's impossible to talk to him he doesn't use the correct words ><

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
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What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

Well, you just said that complexity is order of higher degree, so that means the most ordered something is, the less complex it is no?

You contradict yourself in the same sentence.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 10, 2016, 02:20:16 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:06:25 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

If the second line is encoded in hexadecimal, I'd say the first line is more complex because with a j,h,l, it can't be hex, or even bitcoins base_58... you're looking at ASCII, base 256... which is much more complex than base 16...

If they are both encoded in ASCII, I'd say the second line is more complex because it has twice as many digits (larger number)

You could also say the first is more complex because it uses 8 different characters, while the second line only uses 4 different characters...

The second line also appears to be a repeating pattern, but the first does not repeat... so the first line is more complex...

Actually you're both right and wrong. You made an hypothesis that led you to being right but I didn't use it.
You supposed they have to be both on the same base. Which would mean that you consider them encrypted both in the same way.

But first one is much less complex because there is no digit in it. So each character is only the 26 letters to test whereas in the second line it's the 26 letters + the 10 digits.

My point was that complexity is not linked to order. Because the second one is more ordered as it's a repetition of 4 characters but it's also the more complex.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:24:36 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:09:28 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:06:25 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

Well, you just said that complexity is order of higher degree, so that means the most ordered something is, the less complex it is no?

You have it backwards.

The greater complexity has more order within it. Greater entropy indicates less complexity because order does not have to be as evident to maintain the amount of complexity. However, greater entropy throughout means a spreading of greater order, because areas that were less complex and become more complex through the dispersal of complexity to them... all because entropy is breaking complexity down.

Ok your last post means nothing.
You say "the greater complexity has more order within it" then "greater entropy indicates less complexity".

But greater entropy means more order which should then mean greater complexity in your explanation.

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:09:28 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:06:25 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

Well, you just said that complexity is order of higher degree, so that means the most ordered something is, the less complex it is no?

You have it backwards.

The greater complexity has more order within it. Greater entropy indicates less complexity because order does not have to be as evident to maintain the amount of complexity. However, greater entropy throughout means a spreading of greater order, because areas that were less complex and become more complex through the dispersal of complexity to them... all because entropy is breaking complexity down.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:06:25 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

If the second line is encoded in hexadecimal, I'd say the first line is more complex because with a j,h,l, it can't be hex, or even bitcoins base_58... you're looking at ASCII, base 256... which is much more complex than base 16...

If they are both encoded in ASCII, I'd say the second line is more complex because it has twice as many digits (larger number)

You could also say the first is more complex because it uses 8 different characters, while the second line only uses 4 different characters...

The second line also appears to be a repeating pattern, but the first does not repeat... so the first line is more complex...

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 02:06:25 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 02:02:51 PM

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

Well, you just said that complexity is order of higher degree, so that means the most ordered something is, the less complex it is no?

BADecker

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Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.

The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.

Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.

Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?

ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY

Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!

Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><

Wrong. That's part of theory. Entropy is in part the reduction of complexity. It is known as dispersion or diffusion.

Btw, in the strict sense of the word "chaos," there isn't any chaos in the universe. Everything operates orderly, according to the dictates of universal laws operating through cause and effect.

Here is a definition:
"The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entropy

another one:
"Physics A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/fr/definition/anglais/entropy

It's all about order and disorder and energy. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPLEXITY!!!!!!

Can't prove better than giving you the definition of the word buddy.

Complexity is order of a higher degree.

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

I'm not certain. What do you think?

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 01:43:30 PM

Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 01:21:02 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 10, 2016, 12:35:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 11:15:53 AM

Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.

The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.

Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.

Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?

ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY

Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!

Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><

Wrong. That's part of theory. Entropy is in part the reduction of complexity. It is known as dispersion or diffusion.

Btw, in the strict sense of the word "chaos," there isn't any chaos in the universe. Everything operates orderly, according to the dictates of universal laws operating through cause and effect.

Here is a definition:
"The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entropy

another one:
"Physics A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/fr/definition/anglais/entropy

It's all about order and disorder and energy. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPLEXITY!!!!!!

Can't prove better than giving you the definition of the word buddy.

Complexity is order of a higher degree.

Yeah sure, and energy is just some kind of color ><

Here is why you're wrong:
aejheifdle
a84ba84ba84ba84b

What is the more complex chain of character?

BADecker

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Quote from: Moloch on February 10, 2016, 01:41:41 PM

Quote from: A0LA on February 10, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

It's possible than a God exists but the religions are just be created for make money Undecided

What do you think?

I think religion is more about thought control than money... the money is just a bonus...

Gather 1000+ gullible people in a room, stand behind a pulpit, and they will believe/do anything you say...

Wow! sounds like a TED talk.

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Quote from: A0LA on February 10, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

It's possible than a God exists but the religions are just be created for make money Undecided

What do you think?

While many theistic religions might have money as one of their goals, usually the idea is to get the money for the purpose of spreading the religion... especially the information about God.

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Quote from: mainpmf on February 10, 2016, 01:21:02 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 10, 2016, 12:35:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 11:15:53 AM

Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.

The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.

Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.

Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?

ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY

Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!

Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><

Wrong. That's part of theory. Entropy is in part the reduction of complexity. It is known as dispersion or diffusion.

Btw, in the strict sense of the word "chaos," there isn't any chaos in the universe. Everything operates orderly, according to the dictates of universal laws operating through cause and effect.

Here is a definition:
"The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entropy

another one:
"Physics A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/fr/definition/anglais/entropy

It's all about order and disorder and energy. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPLEXITY!!!!!!

Can't prove better than giving you the definition of the word buddy.

Complexity is order of a higher degree.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 10, 2016, 01:41:41 PM

Quote from: A0LA on February 10, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

It's possible than a God exists but the religions are just be created for make money Undecided

What do you think?

I think religion is more about thought control than money... the money is just a bonus...

Gather 1000+ gullible people in a room, stand behind a pulpit, and they will believe/do anything you say...

Yeah even if that's right that money and control are linked.

It's why all those sects work so well, they take everything the members have but they don't care as they're totally mind controlled.

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Quote from: A0LA on February 10, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

It's possible than a God exists but the religions are just be created for make money Undecided

What do you think?

I think religion is more about thought control than money... the money is just a bonus...

Gather 1000+ gullible people in a room, stand behind a pulpit, and they will believe/do anything you say...

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You can't manage that today... This dope filled world... and get in a long tube with a bunch of demons... it's deadly, and it works on your heart... it really does...

Basically... buy a preacher a private jet, and he will call you a demon... wtf?

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It's possible than a God exists but the religions are just be created for make money Undecided

What do you think?

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Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: valta4065 on February 10, 2016, 12:35:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 10, 2016, 11:15:53 AM

Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.

The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.

Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.

Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?

ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY

Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!

Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><

Wrong. That's part of theory. Entropy is in part the reduction of complexity. It is known as dispersion or diffusion.

Btw, in the strict sense of the word "chaos," there isn't any chaos in the universe. Everything operates orderly, according to the dictates of universal laws operating through cause and effect.

Here is a definition:
"The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entropy

another one:
"Physics A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/fr/definition/anglais/entropy

It's all about order and disorder and energy. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPLEXITY!!!!!!

Can't prove better than giving you the definition of the word buddy.

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