Topic: Proof that God exists - page 53. (Read 62389 times)
You can't talk about something about which you don't have proof it exists. That's a fact.
I'm just trying to say there is no place for such beliefs in modern times.
We must return to nature. Only science through constant experiments and
questioning the validity of theories can bring humans to new levels of consciousness and progress.
We must abandon all unnecessary wrong beliefs.
We must return to nature. Only science through constant experiments and
questioning the validity of theories can bring humans to new levels of consciousness and progress.
We must abandon all unnecessary wrong beliefs.
Truth is most important. Why? If you return to nature, and somebody tells you how to do gardening, you want him to tell you the truth about it, don't you?
So what is wrong with knowing the truth that God exists?
People like technology. We wish that we had the ability to teleport. We would like superhuman strength. That's why people go to superhero movies. God has the abilities. I mean, anybody who can create a universe like ours, certainly has abilities beyond superheros.
I say, let's find the truth of God, and find out where He has given us messages about Himself. The start lies in honestly examining the proofs for His existence, and then accepting them.
I mean, maybe He wants to give us all the things that we are trying so hard to get on our own, and all He needs is simple acceptance that He exists.
Proof denies faith. And we need faith in order to be nice obedient sheep.
Religion is business. Big business. Of course they want it to last and try to brainwash as many people as possible.
Religion is business. Big business. Of course they want it to last and try to brainwash as many people as possible.
I'm just trying to say there is no place for such beliefs in modern times.
We must return to nature. Only science through constant experiments and
questioning the validity of theories can bring humans to new levels of consciousness and progress.
We must abandon all unnecessary wrong beliefs.
We must return to nature. Only science through constant experiments and
questioning the validity of theories can bring humans to new levels of consciousness and progress.
We must abandon all unnecessary wrong beliefs.
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That God is shown to exist through these laws does not lie in the simple fact that these laws exist. It lies in the fact that that they cannot exist together in a universe such as ours without God existing.
That God is shown to exist through these laws does not lie in the simple fact that these laws exist. It lies in the fact that that they cannot exist together in a universe such as ours without God existing.
Why?
I don't know why God made them this way. Perhaps it was simply to leave a record of Himself so that scientists that He knew would exist (because He set their future existence in place through the cause and effect He made) would see that He exists.
You better get yourself saved so that you can ask God this question in Heaven. Otherwise you might never know the answer.
And also, and I divert a bit, why aren't in our modern days real prophets or miracle workers like in the days of old when the apostoles lived?
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
I'm sure we have them. They spend their days taking medications in mental hospitals.
So true...
God talks to Moses... alone... on a mountain = religion
Anyone else claims God spoke to them = insane
Why the double standard? Why not lump Moses in with all the other lunatics who claim they talk to God?
And also, and I divert a bit, why aren't in our modern days real prophets or miracle workers like in the days of old when the apostoles lived?
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
I'm sure we have them. They spend their days taking medications in mental hospitals.
Hahaha. Thanks man. I haven't laughed so good in a long time.
And now - let the hunt begin! (BADecker - that's your cue!)
And also, and I divert a bit, why aren't in our modern days real prophets or miracle workers like in the days of old when the apostoles lived?
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
So we can see the power of God by ourselves.
The laws cannot exist without God existing?
And the sky cannot be blue without people looking up at it.
And the sky cannot be blue without people looking up at it.
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
"God exists because the universe exists" is a good one. I'm not into math enough to do it with mathematical equations.
If you combine the laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, you will find God. It isn't all that difficult to do. But few people find anything when they are not willing to accept it when they find it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - you've said those three things before. Still, they don't mean a thing in regards with the existence of God.
That's because you are only looking at the words. You are not combining the laws. Combine the laws with a little bit of an idea to see if God exists, and you will see that those laws almost shout "God."
The fact that certain things and actions exist in the universe means that God exists? That makes no sense.
The fact that a tree grows is proof of God's existence? Or just plant biology happening?
That God is shown to exist through these laws does not lie in the simple fact that these laws exist. It lies in the fact that that they cannot exist together in a universe such as ours without God existing.
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
"God exists because the universe exists" is a good one. I'm not into math enough to do it with mathematical equations.
If you combine the laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, you will find God. It isn't all that difficult to do. But few people find anything when they are not willing to accept it when they find it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - you've said those three things before. Still, they don't mean a thing in regards with the existence of God.
That's because you are only looking at the words. You are not combining the laws. Combine the laws with a little bit of an idea to see if God exists, and you will see that those laws almost shout "God."
The fact that certain things and actions exist in the universe means that God exists? That makes no sense.
The fact that a tree grows is proof of God's existence? Or just plant biology happening?
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
"God exists because the universe exists" is a good one. I'm not into math enough to do it with mathematical equations.
If you combine the laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, you will find God. It isn't all that difficult to do. But few people find anything when they are not willing to accept it when they find it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - you've said those three things before. Still, they don't mean a thing in regards with the existence of God.
That's because you are only looking at the words. You are not combining the laws. Combine the laws with a little bit of an idea to see if God exists, and you will see that those laws almost shout "God."
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
"God exists because the universe exists" is a good one. I'm not into math enough to do it with mathematical equations.
If you combine the laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, you will find God. It isn't all that difficult to do. But few people find anything when they are not willing to accept it when they find it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - you've said those three things before. Still, they don't mean a thing in regards with the existence of God.
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
"God exists because the universe exists" is a good one. I'm not into math enough to do it with mathematical equations.
If you combine the laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, you will find God. It isn't all that difficult to do. But few people find anything when they are not willing to accept it when they find it.
Show me proof that looks as something like: E=mc2. Not "God exists because the universe exists".
Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.
Meh? Not getting mad at you.
And my problem is about how BADecker talks and decide arbitrarily that this is truth and this is not...
He has to. He is like a cornered animal. People like that will hang on to their belief regardless of the evidence that completely refutes their claims.
Look at Kurt Wise (PhD in Geology from Harvard) He said that even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture (which it does) , and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence.
That is profound. This virus runs deep in his veins....
I know. Everytime I think I got him, he just ignores a fact and go on xD
Of course you're talking about BADecker and not me.
If you are talking about me, it's a virus that propels me to health and life.
My good man, just because you're misguided and are believing in a non-existent "super entity" doesn't mean we wish you harm or death. We atheists are pro life. Live long and prosper.
The whole idea for me showing you the scientific proof that God exists, is so that you will start to look for Him and hopefully find eternal life.
Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.
Meh? Not getting mad at you.
And my problem is about how BADecker talks and decide arbitrarily that this is truth and this is not...
He has to. He is like a cornered animal. People like that will hang on to their belief regardless of the evidence that completely refutes their claims.
Look at Kurt Wise (PhD in Geology from Harvard) He said that even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture (which it does) , and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence.
That is profound. This virus runs deep in his veins....
I know. Everytime I think I got him, he just ignores a fact and go on xD
Of course you're talking about BADecker and not me.
If you are talking about me, it's a virus that propels me to health and life.
My good man, just because you're misguided and are believing in a non-existent "super entity" doesn't mean we wish you harm or death. We atheists are pro life. Live long and prosper.
Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.
Meh? Not getting mad at you.
And my problem is about how BADecker talks and decide arbitrarily that this is truth and this is not...
He has to. He is like a cornered animal. People like that will hang on to their belief regardless of the evidence that completely refutes their claims.
Look at Kurt Wise (PhD in Geology from Harvard) He said that even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture (which it does) , and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence.
That is profound. This virus runs deep in his veins....
I know. Everytime I think I got him, he just ignores a fact and go on xD
Of course you're talking about BADecker and not me.
If you are talking about me, it's a virus that propels me to health and life.
Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.
Meh? Not getting mad at you.
And my problem is about how BADecker talks and decide arbitrarily that this is truth and this is not...
He has to. He is like a cornered animal. People like that will hang on to their belief regardless of the evidence that completely refutes their claims.
Look at Kurt Wise (PhD in Geology from Harvard) He said that even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture (which it does) , and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence.
That is profound. This virus runs deep in his veins....
I know. Everytime I think I got him, he just ignores a fact and go on xD
Of course you're talking about BADecker and not me.
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