There is not any proof of God's existance apart from The Bible (christianity)/The Quran(muslims) and The Torah(jewish people).
There is some evidence of near-death experiences but these are mainly inconclusive.
There is no evidence that God does/does not exist (hence why it is called religion as we do not know for sure).
He (how He addresses Himself) may exist and may not. There is so many theories about small things like the afterlife that we cannot suggest what happens.
So I assume: "The largest question of our existance, is why we exist at all!"
Presumably there should be a God. However, we then have to look at arguments as to God's and the Universe's creation.
We must also, therefore wonder, the point and make up of something as insignificant as an atom.
Made up of: protons, neutrons and electrons.
Why?
Why have negatively charged sub atoms orbitting positively charged atoms when they attract each other ayway? Why have neutrons to increase density and keep te atom at an increased mass, which in turn is radioactive in itself?
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Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.
The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.
Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.
Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?
ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY
Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!
Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><
Wrong. That's part of theory. Entropy is in part the reduction of complexity. It is known as dispersion or diffusion.
Btw, in the strict sense of the word "chaos," there isn't any chaos in the universe. Everything operates orderly, according to the dictates of universal laws operating through cause and effect.
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Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.
The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.
Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.
Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.
The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.
Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.
Problem with people like you is that you see mystery in everything.
You claim that complexity is a proof of God existence. Just because we don't yet know what caused a Big Bang, it does not mean God did it. It just means we don't know.
You said it, not me.Complexity is PART OF the scientific proof that God exists.
Big Bang is theory. We don't know that it existed.
Your mindset is no different from an ancient goat herder who wrote the Bible. He also saw a mysterious, very complex world and explained it with God.
Just because something is complex or unknown does not mean God did it. It means just that it is complex and not fully understood.
Repeating your nonsense over and over again will not make it true. Sorry to disappoint you.
Your mindset is that of an ostrich with its head in the sand. You don't even take the time to read what I say so that you can keep from misquoting me.Just because something is complex or unknown does not mean God did it. It means just that it is complex and not fully understood.
Repeating your nonsense over and over again will not make it true. Sorry to disappoint you.
Like as repeating nonsense over and over again doesn't make it true, even so not repeating science facts and laws doesn't keep them from being true.
PS. Claiming that explosions of supernovas are caused and planned by intelligence is insulting both.
However, if supernova explosions are planned and cause by Intelligence, then it is more insulting to state that they are not.If you walk around with your buddy at the time Jesus was supposedly crucified, and talked on a walkie-talkie, you will be in New Testament and Quran.
There would churches all around worshiping BADecker and his holy spirit.
There would churches all around worshiping BADecker and his holy spirit.
Since you have no factual answer that disproves the 3 laws of science that together prove the existence of God, you sit around with your buddies and write a whole bunch of blabber that essentially says nothing other than to express your ignorance.
If god doesn't exist, then where do you think you will go after you will die? heaven or hell? Who created everything then? who is controlling all the things that are happening?
Why all the thimgs written in holy books are true? The scientists are provimg the facts that are written in the holy books thousands of years ago...
How is it possible without god?
Why all the thimgs written in holy books are true? The scientists are provimg the facts that are written in the holy books thousands of years ago...
How is it possible without god?
everything can be explained with science without any help of religions and god ..
Let's be honest, not everything. Not the creation of the universe because as human we can't imagine something without the principle of cause and consequences so once we reach the Big Bang we don't know what to do after (or before xD).
But god isn't better. It's just that religious say "ah no it's ok god is out of the cause consequence theory so it works" but no it doesn't. What created God?
Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.
The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.
Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.
Damn you really never had any kind of physics courses did you?
ENTROPY =/= COMPLEXITY
Please at least learn that! There is NO correlation between complexity and entropy! Those both elements are NOT linked. You can have a reduction of entropy with an increase of complexity!!!
Entropy is linked to order and order ONLY! Which means that CHAOS is linked to entropy, the bigger the chaos the bigger the entropy BUT THAT'S ALL!!!
Please stop using science you DO NOT understand ><
If god doesn't exist, then where do you think you will go after you will die? heaven or hell? Who created everything then? who is controlling all the things that are happening?
Why all the thimgs written in holy books are true? The scientists are provimg the facts that are written in the holy books thousands of years ago...
How is it possible without god?
Why all the thimgs written in holy books are true? The scientists are provimg the facts that are written in the holy books thousands of years ago...
How is it possible without god?
everything can be explained with science without any help of religions and god ..
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
It's you. It's you because you are unwilling to look at the explanations that I give in my previous posts. Since you won't look at those explanations, why should I waste my time re-posting something that you are not going to look at anyway?
I did. Your explanation is that God programmed evolution. I give you another explanation more logical and based on facts. You still chose God. What can I do more?
Then go look up Newton's 3rd Law, action and reaction, which explains cause and effect. Since there is nothing that exists for some other reason than that it was caused, it was programmed by whatever caused it. And the cause was programmed by some other cause, etc., all the way back to the beginning. This is standard science law.
It's not what Newton 3rd law says but anyway I get your point.
And so what? You say your beginning is God no? Well my beginning is the BigBang. What is your proof of god in that? It's just a theory nothing more. Except that BigBang has numerous models showing it!
Model airplanes fly quite well. But they really aren't often practical for anything. Same with Big Bang models.
The part that is being left out of Big Bang is the intelligence. Because of universal entropy, everything reduces in complexity. Whatever could produce the complexity of the intelligence of man, especially over billions of years of cause and effect, and cause an orderly universe at the same time, must have been intelligent way beyond understanding. Start applying intelligence to the Big Bang, and you will be getting close to what the Creator is like in some ways.
Of course, Big Bang is just theory. Cause and effect have been proven to exist.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
It's you. It's you because you are unwilling to look at the explanations that I give in my previous posts. Since you won't look at those explanations, why should I waste my time re-posting something that you are not going to look at anyway?
I did. Your explanation is that God programmed evolution. I give you another explanation more logical and based on facts. You still chose God. What can I do more?
Then go look up Newton's 3rd Law, action and reaction, which explains cause and effect. Since there is nothing that exists for some other reason than that it was caused, it was programmed by whatever caused it. And the cause was programmed by some other cause, etc., all the way back to the beginning. This is standard science law.
It's not what Newton 3rd law says but anyway I get your point.
And so what? You say your beginning is God no? Well my beginning is the BigBang. What is your proof of god in that? It's just a theory nothing more. Except that BigBang has numerous models showing it!
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
It's you. It's you because you are unwilling to look at the explanations that I give in my previous posts. Since you won't look at those explanations, why should I waste my time re-posting something that you are not going to look at anyway?
I did. Your explanation is that God programmed evolution. I give you another explanation more logical and based on facts. You still chose God. What can I do more?
Then go look up Newton's 3rd Law, action and reaction, which explains cause and effect. Since there is nothing that exists for some other reason than that it was caused, it was programmed by whatever caused it. And the cause was programmed by some other cause, etc., all the way back to the beginning. This is standard science law.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
It's you. It's you because you are unwilling to look at the explanations that I give in my previous posts. Since you won't look at those explanations, why should I waste my time re-posting something that you are not going to look at anyway?
I did. Your explanation is that God programmed evolution. I give you another explanation more logical and based on facts. You still chose God. What can I do more?
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
It's you. It's you because you are unwilling to look at the explanations that I give in my previous posts. Since you won't look at those explanations, why should I waste my time re-posting something that you are not going to look at anyway?
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Is it me or you didn't reply to my post because you don't want to admit that natural selection is a better explanation of evolution than "God programmed everything"?
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Actually, it is double proof. It is proof that God exists, and it is proof that you can't even recognize proof when it stares you in the face.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Because what you said above is no proof of anything...
All that they prove is that there is a consequence to each cause that's all.
The causes of evolution have NOTHING to do with God. The laws of evolution are rather simple:
Each form of life will get random mutations. If a mutation is good for the specie, the element will reproduce better and thus spread this mutation. Which is how evolution works: natural selection of the best random mutation.
Where is the proof of your god in it?
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Wow! This joker can't even look at the post directly above his post. And he thinks that he can even suggest that my claims are wrong?
Folks, there is only one science that proves that God does not exist. It is the same one that proves that evolution exists. Which science is that? Political science.
Political science says that the person or people that can yack the hardest and loudest for the longest time are right, even when they are wrong.
There are a lot more of you yackers who say nothing, than there are of me who uses the laws of science.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Yes you have. Multiple times.
Your claim is wrong in so many ways it hurts me. But you refuse to understand.
Please expose your "arguments" so we can destroy them in an entertaining way.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Oh, prove (not just say) that evolution was programmed by God.
Go.
Since I have done it over and over in this thread and others, I am not going to go into great detail again. However, I will show it to you again, so that you can go out and prove it to yourself if you want.
Three laws are:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.
When you combine these three laws, they show that God exists, by the definitions of the word "God."
The law of cause and effect shows that there is no random... that everything is caused by something else. Thus, evolution (whatever it may be) was and is being caused by something, even in all of its most minute parts. That is what programming is.
So, now we not only have programming, but we have programming by God.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Well from what I saw on previous thread, he THINKS he know but he doesn't ^^
I haven't found anyone who can use real science to refute the things that I have been saying.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
The guy knows what the word entropy means, so watch out
Now if only you could learn it, and learn how to apply it, so that you could understand that God exists.
Absolutely. This consideration proves to not be a consideration when examined in the light of science.
Wow, seems you got to teach me some science then...
I can't do that. You are unwilling to learn science. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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