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Topic: Proposal: Disallow Ads in Signatures - page 9. (Read 19045 times)

sr. member
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February 27, 2014, 10:49:25 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.

This should discourage campaigns from paying by post and instead, paying for activity.
While paying for activity would be nice, paying by post makes more sense, because one post is one ad.

But it also promotes spam. It's either one or the other.
hero member
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February 27, 2014, 09:50:34 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.

This should discourage campaigns from paying by post and instead, paying for activity.
While paying for activity would be nice, paying by post makes more sense, because one post is one ad.
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February 27, 2014, 08:55:27 PM
I'm also a PD user so I feel somehow that you are also indirectly talking to me  Wink
What do you consider spamming? Do you for instance think I am a spammer, if you have a look at my prior posts? PD also pays only out for constructive posts.

I really doubt PD is looking at every post of every person... actually I'm sure they're not, as that would be a full time job and they could just post themselves instead.  Paid signatures that pay per post encourage spam.

Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.
You still can't argue with it being unfair towards the people who don't spam.
Changing signatures only damages the community, banning spammers helps it.
Also as stated above, the main advertising sites like primedice only pay for -constructive- posts.
It's in their interest to not pay out for spam as it gives their service a bad name.

How does changing signatures damage the community?  If the only reason your posting here is to get money, then you really don't belong here.
I nowhere imply that it's the sole reason I'm using the forum, and I know a lot of other people don't that are advertisers don't either.
But knowing there's a slight reward for contributing increases the incentive of making good posts.
Spammers will exist with or without these signatures, for the simple fact that they're not getting paid anyways.
Nothing changes, spammers didn't get paid before signature changes, and they won't get paid afterwards. The only thing that changes is that the non spammers won't get paid either, which -will- lead to less good posts being made.

It somehow feels like you might as well be telling your employees at work "We're removing all salaries because we've a few people here that slack and don't work during the day. I know this will affect the ones that actually are working and contributing, but then again, if you're only here to make money, perhaps you should look for another job." Rather than "We're going to fire the people at our company who we have found are in fact not working during the days".

That's a comparison of changing the signatures to banning spammers.
sr. member
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February 27, 2014, 08:54:01 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.

This should discourage campaigns from paying by post and instead, paying for activity.
legendary
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February 27, 2014, 08:33:50 PM

That's mainly a holdover from the original SMF reporting system, which only sent out reports by email. The only reason we keep it around is that some of us use it to be notified immediately if certain high-priority keywords are used in a report.

I have to admit that I must be a bit conditioned to American feeds because the first word that came to mind was Terrorism
(More likely here Scammers Ponzis Keyloggers/Viruses and the sort)
legendary
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February 27, 2014, 08:22:10 PM
The whole forum seems completely unmoderated - this is very especially evident when going to the speculation section.
Believe it or not, but this is intentional. If it seems like the forum is moderated, then we're doing our job wrong.

I also don't really like that my eMail address is shown to the moderator that reads the report. Don't get why that is needed.
That's mainly a holdover from the original SMF reporting system, which only sent out reports by email. The only reason we keep it around is that some of us use it to be notified immediately if certain high-priority keywords are used in a report.
legendary
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Keep it real
February 27, 2014, 08:07:39 PM
I'm also a PD user so I feel somehow that you are also indirectly talking to me  Wink
What do you consider spamming? Do you for instance think I am a spammer, if you have a look at my prior posts? PD also pays only out for constructive posts.

I really doubt PD is looking at every post of every person... actually I'm sure they're not, as that would be a full time job and they could just post themselves instead.  Paid signatures that pay per post encourage spam.

Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.
You still can't argue with it being unfair towards the people who don't spam.
Changing signatures only damages the community, banning spammers helps it.
Also as stated above, the main advertising sites like primedice only pay for -constructive- posts.
It's in their interest to not pay out for spam as it gives their service a bad name.

How does changing signatures damage the community?  If the only reason your posting here is to get money, then you really don't belong here.
hero member
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February 27, 2014, 08:06:09 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.
You still can't argue with it being unfair towards the people who don't spam.
Changing signatures only damages the community, banning spammers helps it.
Also as stated above, the main advertising sites like primedice only pay for -constructive- posts.
It's in their interest to not pay out for spam as it gives their service a bad name.

Somehow I think the group of people who don't spam tends to correlate with the group that wouldn't run up against the new signature limits.
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February 27, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.
You still can't argue with it being unfair towards the people who don't spam.
Changing signatures only damages the community, banning spammers helps it.
Also as stated above, the main advertising sites like primedice only pay for -constructive- posts.
It's in their interest to not pay out for spam as it gives their service a bad name.
full member
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February 27, 2014, 07:18:05 PM
I'm also a PD user so I feel somehow that you are also indirectly talking to me  Wink
What do you consider spamming? Do you for instance think I am a spammer, if you have a look at my prior posts? PD also pays only out for constructive posts.
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February 27, 2014, 07:01:23 PM
Thanks for styling limitations theymos. Now I can Unignore most of the PD spammers.

The real problem is spamming, because of pay-per-post signatures. We should do something about it. I see a lot of people try to write +1000 posts in a month, so spam is inevitable. You don't have to write every thread you read.
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February 27, 2014, 06:22:50 PM
Doesn't really touch the issue of "spam posts for payment", but it seems that it wasn't mentioned before - I did not read the whole thread:


Frankly, that was my number one thought. I never see signatures here or anywhere else. This place isn't so bad, but sheesh, sometimes all the goofy pictures, unicorns and glitter, and the rest of it are nuts. One of the car forums I frequent, people put largerish pictures of their cars.
Oh my god, I didn't even realize this option was available.
This makes me question this decision even more, why on earth would we make signature changes because someone is tired of the ads when he can tick 1 checkbox to solve his own issue?
I don't know about you, but I think it discourages good posting as well as bad posting when many people are making a few extra bucks by doing this. It's also a problem to change it without a proper warning, as many people are not getting paid for work they've done advertising.
When will we get an official statement about whether this change is here to stay?
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February 27, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
Yes, it's intentional. It was stated that trust rating isn't relevant in certain subforums so is therefore not shown, but I think it should be shown site-wide.

I think that, of all places, the Beginners section would be somewhere where trust ratings are relevant.  If I were trying to run a scam on this board, that'd be the first place I'd go.  Plenty of fresh, naive meat - and especially if I knew that they couldn't see my trust score (and may not even know one exists)...

I agree with all points. That's where the most naive users tend to congregate and are therefore the most susceptible to scams. Newbs often post there asking to buy coins or whatever and I'm sure they'll get pounced on by scammers quite quickly.
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February 27, 2014, 02:23:50 PM
Yes, it's intentional. It was stated that trust rating isn't relevant in certain subforums so is therefore not shown, but I think it should be shown site-wide.

I think that, of all places, the Beginners section would be somewhere where trust ratings are relevant.  If I were trying to run a scam on this board, that'd be the first place I'd go.  Plenty of fresh, naive meat - and especially if I knew that they couldn't see my trust score (and may not even know one exists)...
sr. member
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February 27, 2014, 02:09:55 PM
Doesn't really touch the issue of "spam posts for payment", but it seems that it wasn't mentioned before - I did not read the whole thread:


Frankly, that was my number one thought. I never see signatures here or anywhere else. This place isn't so bad, but sheesh, sometimes all the goofy pictures, unicorns and glitter, and the rest of it are nuts. One of the car forums I frequent, people put largerish pictures of their cars.
legendary
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Keep it dense, yeah?
February 27, 2014, 01:31:54 PM
This is what I was talking about in terms of content, selling what you write, and branding: https://hjbuell.com/content-writing-copywriting/

Hopefully I did not come across as an ass to anyone. Totally not my intent. I just deal daily with people asking me to write great content for pennies - so I'm intimately familiar with how easy it is to buy posts and spam content.

Cheers,
 - H

Yeah I believe that if somebody is requested to write quality content then the payment should reflect this.

I think that sig advertisement owners don't request quality content per se, but rather they require a certain standard to be met. It just so happens that the standard is defined as 'no spam' - which is a whole area open to interpretation.
legendary
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February 27, 2014, 01:30:08 PM
Doesn't really touch the issue of "spam posts for payment", but it seems that it wasn't mentioned before - I did not read the whole thread:



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February 27, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
I don't think disallowing ads in signatures is a very good idea.
There are only some people that abuse the system by spamming or making non constructive posts.
legendary
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February 27, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
Yeah, I think it should be shown site wide.
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February 27, 2014, 11:39:04 AM
This may or may not be intentional or even related...

I'm seeing that in the "Meta" & "Beginners & Help" forums, Trust ratings are not shown.

Is this intentional?  I think it should certainly be in the Beginners section to attempt to protect new users.

MOD:  I only posted it here because I didn't notice this until after the sig changes...if it should be elsewhere, let me know.



Yes, it's intentional. It was stated that trust rating isn't relevant in certain subforums so is therefore not shown, but I think it should be shown site-wide.
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