Topic: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing - page 8. (Read 4801 times)

In the local MAGA shithole / Proud Boys watering hole, where they are ok with dictating women what they can and cannot do with their body, to commit rape, fraud and ignore the will of the majority of the US citizens in favour of their agenda and in the name of their imaginary friend, a "God" they claim to know better than others.

Trump last hope is to get elected and then try to exert all the pressure possible to the judiciary to avoid justice. But the polls are showing that it may simply not happen.

And where should one go to learn this American law you speak of that contradicts the consensus among the most respected lawyers, judges and law professors?

Where did you obtain this knowledge that so many people do not have?

So, you don't know how law works in the US. Anyone in court does what he wants. It's the results of what he does that are important.

By becoming the client of an attorney, a man lowers himself to 'person' status, and turns his fate over to the injustice system. How do we know that the justice system is not just? Because the attorneys are ruled by the judge. And since the talk of the client doesn't mean anything unless the judge wants it to, it's a big conflict of interest in the whole justice system - totally illegal by American law.

Any time that Trump figures this out, he has the right - and the duty because of his position as President - to sue the people (not persons) of the justice system, man to man/woman, and not sue their 'persons'.

Learn American law. And learn it like Trump doesn't know it, although he might figure it out in the near future, and take the justice system down with the rest of the Swamp.




You are getting almost as funny as TS. Trump didn't fund the killing of some 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME by sending money over there. He isn't the one who destroyed the whole land of Ukraine through that funding of the war. He didn't weaken the whole US economy through that funding. The Swamp did all that stuff, and a whole lot more.

So, if you think that Trump made the Swamp, which Swamp you seem to enjoy - because you don't focus on getting rid of it - you should be supporting him... if you really think that he made the Swamp.

Making shit up and demanding others to prove it isn't how real world works. If logic isn't your field, why you try to use that in an argument?

Countries are helping Ukraine because, not helping them will lead to chaos in EU. And stability of EU benefits everyone, except countries who benefit from the disorder in EU and their trade allies like USA.

But i was talking about Biden's and Trump's teams as you praised Trump's team, and somehow best thing you got from it that Trump is clearing the swamp?

You left out that he literally made that swamp by his own hands and keeps on making more of it. So saying no one is perfect is just beyond hilarious at this point.
And again, let's hear what his best people are talking, because while Trump might be better than Jesus to you, people close to him doesn't seem to think so.

Just repeating the same stupidity over and over. Anyone in a court has to serve the truth - in theory - but lawyers simply tend to point out the "truth" that benefits their clients. Trump is obviously delaying in the hope of getting elected and then using all the machinery of the state to stop the course of justice. It does not get any clearer.

What I am waiting for and not getting is the answer that we need to close the stupid argument on immunity, but it will come.

He should have done that - fired the lawyers... at least as his attorneys - 1 minute after he hired them.

What good is an attorney who can't or won't defend his client? Oh, that's right. all attorneys are under the judges authority. If they don't do whatever the judge says, they can be dis-bared. They are simply in it for the money - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

If proving Trumps innocence were possible, his lawyers would be preparing for trial instead of preparing for the next delay tactic.  Afterall, I'm sure they are all aware that the final delay tactic is without a doubt the one where he fires all his lawyers.

Even Trump's lawyers can be wrong. How do we know? If they knew what they were doing, they would have found a way to prove Trump's innocence by now. Not as much money in it that way. And certainly not as much if they are being paid off under the table by the Swamp. However, if Trump picked them, 'tis true that he isn't as smart as he should be.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/georgia-judge-rejects-trump-bid-dismiss-election-interference-charges-rcna146431

It seems that another judicial decision is confronting Trump with real life facts. This is what happens when you cannot solve the "problem" just by tweeting something stupid with no proof or evidence whatsoever.


It was quite stupid in the first place to even try to allege that freedom of speech covers lying to protect yourself from the action of justice when all the facts are there for everyone to see.

And this is the best the Republican Party can offer to the US as of today. Sad.

Even Trumps lawyers admit he was blatantly and knowingly lying!

None of this means that Trump supplied any of the funds that killed something like 600,000 people in Ukraine and the ME. Perhaps he did. But prove it.

You jokers are so odd. Anybody and everybody makes mistakes. But you almost totally ignore the hundreds of thousands of people Biden's team helped to die. And you focus on Trump in a negative way... that he is cleaning up the Swamp, starting in his own organization.

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That turd gives a brain injury a bad rep just by associating with it.

And yeah, if trump's team is better, let's ask them. I mean people who worked with trump closely how brilliant he is shall we?
Those best people he chose to work with? What do you mean they aren't reliable sources? How could that be?

What would they even say? Would they say that he is an "idiot”, "unhinged", "dangerous", "sociopath" or a "narcisstic". Or all of them?
Trump hired the "best people" so they must be reliable. I wonder why all Biden's closest employees aren't writing similar stuff about him?



Or maybe we should just ask opinions from dictators of other countries, because they can be trusted, as it couldn't be in any way their best interest to destabilize USA.
Or maybe let's look at the facts and what that rapist been convicted for so far?

Or maybe we should focus on currect "best people" he is doing business with? https://thehill.com/business/4570973-trump-social-media-company-sues-co-founders/

A honest person who is not a warmonger, or who is not making a bunch of money off some war, or the manufacturing of war machines, thinks like this:
- No matter who becomes President, there will always be some trouble; nothing will ever be perfect;
- So, let's chose somebody who is going to help us, our economy, and the world more than somebody who is going to destroy life and the world;
- So far Trump has been way better than Biden for doing good for the world and for America; Trump's team has been way better than Biden's team and the people behind Biden's team in these ways;
- The evidence for the above is in what history shows us.

Trump is way better than anybody else for doing good and benefiting the world and America. Is he perfect? No! But he is way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, better.

The MAGAs just do not care about anything you can say about Trump. Particularly anything that is data or logic - it is absolutely useless to present them with any proper information as they will always claim manipulation or bias or that it is an attack or whatever.

On the growth, here OgNasty just throws something as ridiculous as the "illegals" as the factor for growth. Nothing needs proof, anything is equally valid, the understanding of the economy of the US matters not.

 This is Trumps major achievement: divide the US. There is no single president that has been so divisive and this is no longer about discerning truth or providing arguments but either you are with him or against, period. I wonder how does that make "America Great" if you alienate more than half of the population.

But fortunately this thread is about the trials and the results, so there is no point in denying he has been found guilty of rape and fraud and that he had to request relief from a relatively modest fine. At most, they can use the usual argument that everything that is not to Trumps will is a conspiration.

You seem really angry.  Take a deep breath.

All the numbers charts I posted are from the bureau of labor statistics. https://www.bls.gov/

Yes, Covid caused a lot of jobs to disappear from the market, and then return to the market.

The jobs reports, which come out every month, reflect how many jobs were created or lost.  That's the whole point. Just because they don't make Trump look good doesn't mean they were manipulated.


Seems pretty clear to me that illegal immigrants are less likely to assault someone than, say, an angry white magatard.
You need to lay off clicking on those right wing rage bait headlines.  They're turning your emotions into money.  The angrier they make you, the more you click.  The more you click the more they make. 

At this point I'm not even sure what would piss you off more, if tomorrow the economy is better or worse.  As long as you keep sipping the media cool aid it really doesn't matter, you will be angry.

You talk about emotions and mentally vulnerable, then you post manipulated statistics that don't account for the government shutting down the economy for covid.  If you believe the statistics you posted, you are literally the mentally vulnerable being exploited that you mention...  Please tell me you're just pushing propaganda to try and make a point and you aren't actually dumb enough to believe this nonsense...  I worry about the country that people so dumb have the same voting power as people who can think for themselves.  

Almost all of Biden's job growth is part time jobs for illegals and those who have to take a second job to make ends meet in this shitty economy.  It is not a good thing.  Meanwhile the labor participation rate for men of working age is the lowest of all time.

As for crime statistics...  It's easy to manipulate those when you refuse to charge illegal immigrants who are assaulting people all over the country.  If you honestly believe there's less crime now than under Trump's watch you are even dumber than I thought.  

Emotions do have a tendency to cloud ones perception of reality.  One thing that Trump is very, very good at is exploiting the emotions of those who are most mentally vulnerable  (under-educated, over-religious, conspiracy theorists, etc.) to being convinced that something which is not true, but that they desire to be true is actually true.

Some more truth for you:


(So far Biden's average is about 4%)

Next we'll take a look at unemployment rates by president, then crime.

Well, I guess you jokers simply can't figure out the mindset of the majority of the people. The people have good reason for their mindset - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252. The polls also show that the more opposition Trump gets, the stronger he gets. So, keep it up, please. Lol.

Good job  There is something that people who care about information do not know, but several polls reveal that Trump voters are absolutely convinced that there were more and better jobs created during Trump than during Biden. And that is just the tip of the iceberg, there are quite a few very relevant figures and data that they are equally convinced or and wrong about. This is what happens when people limit their sources of information to only those that reinforce their beliefs.

It must be frustrating not knowing how to read them.

I'll try just words and see if that helps.

When Trump was sworn in there were 145.6  million US Jobs.

When he left office (in shame), there were 142.7 million US jobs.

While Trump was in office, the total US job growth was negative 2.9 million.

When Biden was sworn in, there were 142.7 million US jobs (because it was the same day Trump left).

As of the last jobs report (Feb 2024) there are 157.8 million US jobs.

That means, so far under Biden 15.1 million jobs have been created.




Summary:

Total job growth for Trumps entire term: -2.9 million
Total job growth under Biden with 6 months left in his first term: +15.1 million.

Trumps actually had the worst job growth of any president in modern history.  SAD!



Ooops i forgot you can't read charts.  My bad.

Trump brought them back. Notice how they are going down with Biden? That's simply because Trump did such a good job that it took Biden this long to wreck it.

The one Trump slump was seen because of a Trump transition from one sort of business operation to another. If Trump had remained in office, the first year of his second term would have been way higher than Biden's first year, and would still be going up.

However, anybody can make charts and graphs.