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As Qatar was eliminated with 0 points in group stage we can return back to this thread. I still support my argument about someone (including Qatar) can never fix a World cup match. World cups are literally the most visible and watched football tournaments in the world. It can be too obvious. And it can be too large to hide. Qatar was very weak team, they were obviously gonna be eliminated. Some people exeggarated things that were happening within Qatar as they are unlikely candidate to world cup. Many people accused FIFA because of it.

Since the beginning this issue has surfaced, ahead of the 3 day opening of the world cup begins. I am very skeptical, that this is just an issue that aims to bring down the name of the host of the world cup organizers this year. I believe it is, and it is a fact. Qatar squad, lost to Ecuador quite easily which ended 0-2.
maybe for the Asian championship tournament, Qatar can still compete and they are even able to win the Asian Cup beating Japan. however, in the world cup they don't have any experience, they only appear as the home team, nothing more.

This issue emerged based on a tweet from Amjad Taha, at least he is the person who must be held accountable for his statement. if our members are here, we only discuss whether or not this bribery issue is true. apart from all that, I am happy that Qatar's failure to the next round has made this scandalous issue a complete nonsense.
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Some people may find it difficult to comply with the rules made by the homeowner. And because there are spectators who come from other countries where drinking beer is normal for them, they cannot drink it freely while they are in Qatar because of Islamic rules there.

The Qatari government is just trying to enforce the rules that have been made and this seems to be going quite well, although there may be people who still break the rules. But the issue in Qatar will not be known whether it is true or not and we as the audience, will not know either. So we better enjoy this World Cup and place bets for our favorite team.
The problem is that when government reaches too far and prohibits you from doing something, then it becomes a trouble. I am not saying culturally you should do it or not, but if government blocks it from happening then it's a problem. Like let's say Qatar people do not drink, because of their culture, that's fine, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact that is a healthy thing, wish nobody drank, because it would be much healthier world if none of us ever drink.

However, the moment you say "you can't drink, we don't allow you", that becomes a bad thing, because you are taking away freedom from people and that is the bad part in Qatar right now. Don't do it if you don't want to, but do not keep others from doing it just because you don't.
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The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
Maybe Qatar isn't a very good host but it's all happening now, whether we like it or not. And those who go to Qatar to watch the World Cup in person must follow the rules there so they don't get into trouble later. If I'm not mistaken, there is a rule that allows drinking 3 hours before the match or 1 hour after the match ends but I don't know if that's true or not. Some rules have been changed because they conform to the existing rules and we, as an audience, must follow them.
Muslim culture is very different  - they have strict rules for beer and gambling.
The point mentioned above is also very important - women are not supposed to touch stranger men and men dont touch women - this is the rule and everyone abide by this rule.
Yes, that's correct. They should do as you say but nowadays people have changed a lot. Men can touch women and vice versa. Islam prohibits beer and gambling because later, it can make them not realize what they have been doing while drunk.

The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
Maybe Qatar isn't a very good host but it's all happening now, whether we like it or not. And those who go to Qatar to watch the World Cup in person must follow the rules there so they don't get into trouble later. If I'm not mistaken, there is a rule that allows drinking 3 hours before the match or 1 hour after the match ends but I don't know if that's true or not. Some rules have been changed because they conform to the existing rules and we, as an audience, must follow them.
Is it too difficult to respect the rules made by a house owner? I am very annoyed with people who can't respect the rules made by a house owner, All those who go to Qatar to watch the world cup must follow the rules that Qatar has made

Europe also has some rules that are applied by people who want to enter their country so those who disobey the rules of Qatar are not eligible to go there, but we have finished a lot of matches, can we say Qatar as the host this time quite successful in carrying out their responsibilities

the issue of Qatar bribing Ecuador players or some workers who died during construction, will be a historical record for Qatar when it hosts the world cup
Some people may find it difficult to comply with the rules made by the homeowner. And because there are spectators who come from other countries where drinking beer is normal for them, they cannot drink it freely while they are in Qatar because of Islamic rules there.

The Qatari government is just trying to enforce the rules that have been made and this seems to be going quite well, although there may be people who still break the rules. But the issue in Qatar will not be known whether it is true or not and we as the audience, will not know either. So we better enjoy this World Cup and place bets for our favorite team.
Qatar is definitely organising an amazing and worth appreciating world cup and whole world is following it .
Just there are some rules and regulations ins Qatar related to drinking and dressing up doesn't mean they are not good enough to organise such big event . Every country have their culture , morals and values and being a guest in a host country people should follow those rules with whole heart. I have heard stories about people who were caught by Qatari authorities for hiding wine in binoculars and going in stadium  ,like I don't get one thing why is this so difficult for people to not drink for just 1 month  or few days .
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As Qatar was eliminated with 0 points in group stage we can return back to this thread. I still support my argument about someone (including Qatar) can never fix a World cup match. World cups are literally the most visible and watched football tournaments in the world. It can be too obvious. And it can be too large to hide. Qatar was very weak team, they were obviously gonna be eliminated. Some people exeggarated things that were happening within Qatar as they are unlikely candidate to world cup. Many people accused FIFA because of it.
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Is it too difficult to respect the rules made by a house owner? I am very annoyed with people who can't respect the rules made by a house owner, All those who go to Qatar to watch the world cup must follow the rules that Qatar has made

Europe also has some rules that are applied by people who want to enter their country so those who disobey the rules of Qatar are not eligible to go there, but we have finished a lot of matches, can we say Qatar as the host this time quite successful in carrying out their responsibilities

the issue of Qatar bribing Ecuador players or some workers who died during construction, will be a historical record for Qatar when it hosts the world cup

The world cup is a global platform where different countries converge to entertain the world not only with football but cultural displays. Host nations should be able to adjust or refine their rules so that fans would have the opportunity to showcase their culture and also enjoy the tournament. I think FIFA should also consider the flexibility of most nations before they are given the right to host this tournament.

The issue of inhuman treatment of immigrant workers and the high construction accident and death due to dangerous work descriptions is very disturbing. Thousand of workers lost their live because a country want to prove to the world that they are developed or have the capacity to host the world cup in a grand style. I have even read stories of mass arrest and deportation of workers without interrogation or investigation. And the most annoying part of this workers exploitation was that they were paid peanuts.

The news of bribing eight Ecuador players turned out to be fake because Qatar have not gotten a point yet.
 

I agree with you here. I think those are alleged bribery. What really the real issue here is the exploitation of workers. This massive construction creates opportunities but on the other hand, it destroys someone's life and dreams. I pity those who sacrificews thier lives to me this project a reality.
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The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
Maybe Qatar isn't a very good host but it's all happening now, whether we like it or not. And those who go to Qatar to watch the World Cup in person must follow the rules there so they don't get into trouble later. If I'm not mistaken, there is a rule that allows drinking 3 hours before the match or 1 hour after the match ends but I don't know if that's true or not. Some rules have been changed because they conform to the existing rules and we, as an audience, must follow them.
Muslim culture is very different  - they have strict rules for beer and gambling.
The point mentioned above is also very important - women are not supposed to touch stranger men and men dont touch women - this is the rule and everyone abide by this rule.
Yes, that's correct. They should do as you say but nowadays people have changed a lot. Men can touch women and vice versa. Islam prohibits beer and gambling because later, it can make them not realize what they have been doing while drunk.

The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
Maybe Qatar isn't a very good host but it's all happening now, whether we like it or not. And those who go to Qatar to watch the World Cup in person must follow the rules there so they don't get into trouble later. If I'm not mistaken, there is a rule that allows drinking 3 hours before the match or 1 hour after the match ends but I don't know if that's true or not. Some rules have been changed because they conform to the existing rules and we, as an audience, must follow them.
Is it too difficult to respect the rules made by a house owner? I am very annoyed with people who can't respect the rules made by a house owner, All those who go to Qatar to watch the world cup must follow the rules that Qatar has made

Europe also has some rules that are applied by people who want to enter their country so those who disobey the rules of Qatar are not eligible to go there, but we have finished a lot of matches, can we say Qatar as the host this time quite successful in carrying out their responsibilities

the issue of Qatar bribing Ecuador players or some workers who died during construction, will be a historical record for Qatar when it hosts the world cup
Some people may find it difficult to comply with the rules made by the homeowner. And because there are spectators who come from other countries where drinking beer is normal for them, they cannot drink it freely while they are in Qatar because of Islamic rules there.

The Qatari government is just trying to enforce the rules that have been made and this seems to be going quite well, although there may be people who still break the rules. But the issue in Qatar will not be known whether it is true or not and we as the audience, will not know either. So we better enjoy this World Cup and place bets for our favorite team.
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Is it too difficult to respect the rules made by a house owner? I am very annoyed with people who can't respect the rules made by a house owner, All those who go to Qatar to watch the world cup must follow the rules that Qatar has made

Europe also has some rules that are applied by people who want to enter their country so those who disobey the rules of Qatar are not eligible to go there, but we have finished a lot of matches, can we say Qatar as the host this time quite successful in carrying out their responsibilities

the issue of Qatar bribing Ecuador players or some workers who died during construction, will be a historical record for Qatar when it hosts the world cup

The world cup is a global platform where different countries converge to entertain the world not only with football but cultural displays. Host nations should be able to adjust or refine their rules so that fans would have the opportunity to showcase their culture and also enjoy the tournament. I think FIFA should also consider the flexibility of most nations before they are given the right to host this tournament.

The issue of inhuman treatment of immigrant workers and the high construction accident and death due to dangerous work descriptions is very disturbing. Thousand of workers lost their live because a country want to prove to the world that they are developed or have the capacity to host the world cup in a grand style. I have even read stories of mass arrest and deportation of workers without interrogation or investigation. And the most annoying part of this workers exploitation was that they were paid peanuts.

The news of bribing eight Ecuador players turned out to be fake because Qatar have not gotten a point yet.
 
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Qatar is really screwing up this opportunity to make some money, honor and fame for their country. Roll Eyes

They could have been rolling in the tourist money if they made a small zoned-off bubble for the western sensibilities. instead of showing the ugly sides of their culture. Now they have insulted so many people, including the people of Pernambuco, Brazil. For stomping on their flag.

Qatar needs to get its shit together. It is basically "the Russia of holding World Cups" at this point. But, I have not yet witnessed a stoning of an LGBT. So props on that.

Making money may not be one of their motives, I am afraid. They spent hundreds of billions of USD in to this event, fully knowing that they may not recover even 10% of that amount. What they want is fame for their country. But it didn't worked out as expected. Human rights organizations used this opportunity to highlight the case of dead migrant workers and LGBT groups also used it to put discriminatory laws in the limelight. On top of that, most of the fans are angry, due to needless restrictions on partying and alcohol.
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Qatar is really screwing up this opportunity to make some money, honor and fame for their country. Roll Eyes

They could have been rolling in the tourist money if they made a small zoned-off bubble for the western sensibilities. instead of showing the ugly sides of their culture. Now they have insulted so many people, including the people of Pernambuco, Brazil. For stomping on their flag.

Qatar needs to get its shit together. It is basically "the Russia of holding World Cups" at this point. But, I have not yet witnessed a stoning of an LGBT. So props on that.
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Qatar hosting the FIFA at its best than the previous seasons. This is a big thing that the westerners can't accept. Maybe for the reason more stories are getting tied up with Qatar. For some reason all the claims against Qatar have been broken, but the death of workers during the development of the sports Village hasn't been cleared and it stands as a black mark over the host forever.
Very true as you said, I also really agree Qatar is the best FIFA host from the previous season, because they impose strict rules according to the rules that apply in their country, strongly oppose LGBT and are not allowed to have free sex Qatar also prohibits alcohol , those are big things that western countries cannot accept, so they accuse Qatar of bribing eight players from Ecuador for the opening match, even though all of these accusations are completely untrue, as evidenced in the opening match Qatar was defeated by Ecuador with a score of 2-0 , and in the second match they were also defeated by Senegal with a score of 3-1, they have confirmed that they will not qualify for the next round, in the last match Qatar will face the Netherlands, on paper the Netherlands can definitely secure 3 points and successfully qualify for the round of 16 .
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It's one of those hot news, and you can find in almost all the Newspapers.

It looks like Qatar bribed eight Ecuadorian players for $7.4 millions to lose the wold cup opener. And this isn't weird to me, i mean if they already pay a shit ton of money to have the world cup in their country then we can expect from this world cup to be the most corrupt event in the Soccer history.

Some sources:
https://sportsbrief.com/football/28069-reports-qatar-bribed-ecuadorian-players-74-million-lose-opener/
https://www.marca.com/en/world-cup/2022/11/18/6376cfc7ca4741cc208b4573.html

Right now odds pays x3.26 if Qatar win, i know is a risky bet but i'm almost sure they will win. Will you place bets on this game after knowing about the bribe?
This can be fallacy because there is not much evidence precisely to be said or to be told if that should be an evidence that there be a record off video made by them because this like this I will assume that it is an accusation or out of anger or someone defeating them so that someone story that is believable and that is also a story that is not unbelievable so this particular story from my own understanding is unbelievable
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The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
It is not just a Muslim culture, basically in Asia there are special gates for men and woman and it is nothing special. Yes i saw the news regarding a journalist trying to stir things up as if it is something unusual, when you go to a mall women are going through a security check where women are the security person and even in airports, it is the same.

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Those nations that you mentioned, we haven't heard anything though. But for the Qatari's they made a lot of noises in world cup not this one and has been discussed several pages back (like migrant workers dying and others).
Majority of the construction work in GCC countries are done by people from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and other surrounding countries and you will not see an Arab working in a construction site other than a supervisory role because they are bloody oil rich. The numbers regarding the death the western media is projecting is bullshit.
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Qatar hosting the FIFA at its best than the previous seasons. This is a big thing that the westerners can't accept. Maybe for the reason more stories are getting tied up with Qatar. For some reason all the claims against Qatar have been broken, but the death of workers during the development of the sports Village hasn't been cleared and it stands as a black mark over the host forever.
With all the narratives that is going, it looks like they are making up things as they go. The fact remains that construction is a dangerous job and everyone is pointing at the death toll of Qatar World Cup, since this is in the limelight now, i would like to know the death tolls whenever a major construction work is done for World Cups and Olympics and i am certain there will be deaths during construction when it comes to big construction projects.
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plan doesn't come together and Qatar were unceremoniously dumped out of the competition in the worst way. To top it off Qatari's have shown that they are pretty poor fans, after emptying the stands when it was clear their team had lost


USA fans have been known to leave early, probably every country in the world that's become something people do especially if there's traffic to avoid etc.    There was a funny case where the American football team started to come back and win in the last minutes and fans hearing this on the radio as they leave the carpark are denied reentry to the stadium to watch it as they already used up their tickets.    
  I dont see why anyone would be so eager to criticize the hosts, they weren't going to win this and are still building the sport in the country which is much smaller then others.   They put in an effort and will have to learn and come back next time harder same as a lot of teams.     We can all laugh if its needed about the time England got beaten by Iceland who are part time players not even professionals paid properly, nobodies flawless even those with a century of history of training and investment.
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It's one of those hot news, and you can find in almost all the Newspapers.

It looks like Qatar bribed eight Ecuadorian players for $7.4 millions to lose the wold cup opener. And this isn't weird to me, i mean if they already pay a shit ton of money to have the world cup in their country then we can expect from this world cup to be the most corrupt event in the Soccer history.

Right now odds pays x3.26 if Qatar win, i know is a risky bet but i'm almost sure they will win. Will you place bets on this game after knowing about the bribe?

You have to just love it when a plan doesn't come together and Qatar were unceremoniously dumped out of the competition in the worst way. To top it off Qatari's have shown that they are pretty poor fans, after emptying the stands when it was clear their team had lost and failing to support both teams until the very end - why was it hosted here again? However, it just goes to show that when the spotlight is on you and this rumor was circulating more wildly elsewhere, then any Ecuadorian players who had been offered the deal knew that it wasn't possible. That just left playing their heart out and proving that they were much better opponents than the Qatari quality players.
Are there really people whom do really believed that Qatar would win up against Ecuador?

For sure if these informations didnt leaked out then it might really happen considering that it is really that involving huge money but it turns out that we had seen the normal or typical outcome
which it cant really be that surprising but if we do see some turn around then that would be raising up some questions or really raises up some eyebrows.

Since we do see that they had dumped out by Ecua then people or fans didnt really get surprised on what happened.
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The whole world is trying to prove that Qatar is not a good host for the foot ball world cup = yesterday I was watching a video and fox news journalist said that I didn't like special gate for women .. but in muslim culture - woman don't search men and men don't touch woman so they are not ready to respect the culture of Qatar.
Maybe Qatar isn't a very good host but it's all happening now, whether we like it or not. And those who go to Qatar to watch the World Cup in person must follow the rules there so they don't get into trouble later. If I'm not mistaken, there is a rule that allows drinking 3 hours before the match or 1 hour after the match ends but I don't know if that's true or not. Some rules have been changed because they conform to the existing rules and we, as an audience, must follow them.
Is it too difficult to respect the rules made by a house owner? I am very annoyed with people who can't respect the rules made by a house owner, All those who go to Qatar to watch the world cup must follow the rules that Qatar has made

Europe also has some rules that are applied by people who want to enter their country so those who disobey the rules of Qatar are not eligible to go there, but we have finished a lot of matches, can we say Qatar as the host this time quite successful in carrying out their responsibilities

the issue of Qatar bribing Ecuador players or some workers who died during construction, will be a historical record for Qatar when it hosts the world cup
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It's one of those hot news, and you can find in almost all the Newspapers.

It looks like Qatar bribed eight Ecuadorian players for $7.4 millions to lose the wold cup opener. And this isn't weird to me, i mean if they already pay a shit ton of money to have the world cup in their country then we can expect from this world cup to be the most corrupt event in the Soccer history.

Right now odds pays x3.26 if Qatar win, i know is a risky bet but i'm almost sure they will win. Will you place bets on this game after knowing about the bribe?

You have to just love it when a plan doesn't come together and Qatar were unceremoniously dumped out of the competition in the worst way. To top it off Qatari's have shown that they are pretty poor fans, after emptying the stands when it was clear their team had lost and failing to support both teams until the very end - why was it hosted here again? However, it just goes to show that when the spotlight is on you and this rumor was circulating more wildly elsewhere, then any Ecuadorian players who had been offered the deal knew that it wasn't possible. That just left playing their heart out and proving that they were much better opponents than the Qatari quality players.
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It's one of those hot news, and you can find in almost all the Newspapers.

It looks like Qatar bribed eight Ecuadorian players for $7.4 millions to lose the wold cup opener. And this isn't weird to me, i mean if they already pay a shit ton of money to have the world cup in their country then we can expect from this world cup to be the most corrupt event in the Soccer history.

Some sources:
https://sportsbrief.com/football/28069-reports-qatar-bribed-ecuadorian-players-74-million-lose-opener/
https://www.marca.com/en/world-cup/2022/11/18/6376cfc7ca4741cc208b4573.html

Right now odds pays x3.26 if Qatar win, i know is a risky bet but i'm almost sure they will win. Will you place bets on this game after knowing about the bribe?

Politics and Sport are two different things and that is what FIFA has always kick against, no racism, no religion and no favouritism but it seems the more they try to avoid this things, the more they occur which makes me to remember the speech made by Morgan Freeman in the World Cup ground opening. he asked the boy that "what bring us together today here is bigger than what divide us and how long could we make it last?'' and the Qatar boy recite some quran a reference that it is through respect and tolerance, this message was made to counter this kind of rumours and hate among us.

Football has unite us all irrespective of our religion, respect other people religions and culture, we can't attack them because of their culture and looking at their performance so far, they will  not be making it out in the group stage, just free Qatar and lets enjoy football for just this 1 month.  Undecided

FIFA in my opinion deserve as much of every criticism that have come their way and more, because Qatar hosting this year's World Cup was clearly out of political and money influenced motive for over 8 years that Qatar have been confirmed to be the host, FIFA are well aware of the religious stance of the country when it comes to gender equality, gambling, drinking and whatnot, but they chose to be ignorant of these rules and the impact it would have on the entire world and their diverse cultures coming together into such a setting with highly restrictive social activities, this should have been debated and cleared over the period of those years of preparation, it shouldn't come as a surprise or such as breach of contract with Budweiser (a beer company in a unwelcomed country) being the major sponsor of the tournament.
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It is also possible that the agreement is on and the bribe money has already been given but due to this leaked news, the agreement is called off.  We may have a different view on this since we really don't know the truth.  Only the people involved and witnesses know if the rumors that circulate are true or not.

As the rumor create a huge ruckus at the sporting event, I think the source of the gossip where the rumors came is now being searched.  The person will probably face defamation charges and possibly be given the penalty and probably need to pay on the damage it creates.
I think the offer is too low to disclose and continues to be discussed without evidence. Qatar should be able to give Lamborghini for all of Ecuador's players and staff to lose instead of just dirtying its hands with $7.4 million. The accusation was far more likely to be due to an element of hatred about Qatar hosting the World Cup, but things worked out and the group stages were close to the third round this week.

In case the rumors were really false after the investigation, who would actually be the first to want to take responsibility for the accusations. Perhaps his attention would be diverted, this seemed more likely.

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They will have enough money in Qatar, but such bribery scandals are too striking. Then players would have to consciously make mistakes, you can't do something like that inconspicuously. And what about the money the players get? Then there would be bank transfers or a large sum of money at once. Players from both Ecuador and Qatar also have a great sense of honor, you don't often hear about bribery at a World Cup. But when players are bribed, it is often because bets are being placed on those matches. Since that wouldn't be the issue right now, you could get away with it. But looking at the level of the first game, I think it was the other way around  Grin

seems that the rumour may not be true after all. we have seen how the game went down. so maybe, certain people or entities just wanted to spread the false news of this bribery. we don't know, especially if there was large sum of money involved. this is why, just trust your instincts esp. if you are betting your own money. we can't trust the hearsays. they usually turned out to be fake.

It is also possible that the agreement is on and the bribe money has already been given but due to this leaked news, the agreement is called off.  We may have a different view on this since we really don't know the truth.  Only the people involved and witnesses know if the rumors that circulate are true or not.

As the rumor create a huge ruckus at the sporting event, I think the source of the gossip where the rumors came is now being searched.  The person will probably face defamation charges and possibly be given the penalty and probably need to pay on the damage it creates.


Politics and Sport are two different things and that is what FIFA has always kick against, no racism, no religion and no favouritism but it seems the more they try to avoid this things, the more they occur which makes me to remember the speech made by Morgan Freeman in the World Cup ground opening. he asked the boy that "what bring us together today here is bigger than what divide us and how long could we make it last?'' and the Qatar boy recite some quran a reference that it is through respect and tolerance, this message was made to counter this kind of rumours and hate among us.

Football has unite us all irrespective of our religion, respect other people religions and culture, we can't attack them because of their culture and looking at their performance so far, they will  not be making it out in the group stage, just free Qatar and lets enjoy football for just this 1 month.  Undecided

True!  Politics and sports are two different things because in politics there are no sports while in sports there are lots of politics.  Grin.  No matter how hard FIFA denies that there is no politics in their sports, the governing itself is called politics.  Please see the definition of politics.
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