Qatar bribed 8 players from Ecuador for the opening match - page 4.

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This was proven wrong with yesterday's match. Ecuador won the match with nearly very little effort because of skill difference between two teams. This clearly shows people should blindly following match fixing rumors. We can all agree some match fixing happens around. Especially in lower leagues. But I don't think someone can fix World Cup match or Champions League match. Must be impossible because too visible.

That's what really matters because we need to know which league we are talking about and for Qatar to first-time host a huge event, they won't try anything funny just to look good for the visitors because this is not only for the games but also to show how great their country is and don't forget they are also promoting tourism. I also believe about match-fixing happened in some sports but this time it won't gonna happen because Qatar is fair and square and we know how it really turns out because the Ecuador are in the whole different level when it comes to this sport compared to them.

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the people who bet on a draw may have lost last night's bet, but lucky for those who bet for ecuador have won the game, ecuador's win at the same time dispelling the news about bribes circulating everywhere, I think OP needs to lock this thread because the Qatar and Ecuador match is over and it looks like Qatar still needs to increase their confidence as hosts in the world cup at least they can play better against Senegal later Wink

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Quote from: Maestro75 on November 21, 2022, 02:02:25 AM

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Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

There is always a little truth in every rumour. We should not conclude it is a fake news. FIFA should look into that accusation eventhough Qatar lost the opening match to those they were accused of attempting to bribe. I believe something went on there and should be investigated and not swept off like that. It will be really bad for Qatar if they are guilty of it. It is not enough to reject alcohol while you commit other immoral acts.

What has been done here is not to cast doubt on Qatar or FIFA. What has been done here is to smear football. I am a football lover and I think that gossip products without any proof should be kept away from football. Instead of slandering football with freak rhetoric, we should talk with concrete data and we should not give an opportunity to those who want to slander football.

If we give the opportunity to freak discourses, we can produce freak statements about the results of the investigation (there may be some who say that the results of the investigation are made with bribery). If we enter such a cycle, we will live the rest of our lives with freak discourses instead of living with concrete data.

I don't think such a thing would be very wise.

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You do know if this was real or not because it really doesnt add up. The national team are there to best represent their country, its far too obvious a scheme to play out well. The only people who would want to bribe in a game are for profit and hoping not to get caught, this whole match is very high publicity its a bad bet from the start because of that giant spotlight on the match.
Its rumors nothing more, it doesnt add up even from a completely corrupt point of view its a bad value bribe to enter into this game in such a way. The corrupt people in this game want no attention for their endeavors, they want profits easy as possible and this is not it. You all already know this, people love to gossip for fun thats what I hear when this story is told; hope it was fun for whomever to spread.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on November 21, 2022, 02:02:25 AM

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Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

There is always a little truth in every rumour. We should not conclude it is a fake news. FIFA should look into that accusation eventhough Qatar lost the opening match to those they were accused of attempting to bribe. I believe something went on there and should be investigated and not swept off like that. It will be really bad for Qatar if they are guilty of it. It is not enough to reject alcohol while you commit other immoral acts.

There is alot happening while FIFA is going on and this might be a part of that as Qatar lost their opening match with Ecuador there is a possibility of this being wrong or false but there is no smoke without fire .definitely administration should look into this matter as this is not a small accusations for host country .

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 20, 2022, 06:33:21 PM

Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

There is always a little truth in every rumour. We should not conclude it is a fake news. FIFA should look into that accusation eventhough Qatar lost the opening match to those they were accused of attempting to bribe. I believe something went on there and should be investigated and not swept off like that. It will be really bad for Qatar if they are guilty of it. It is not enough to reject alcohol while you commit other immoral acts.

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Quote from: Despairo on November 21, 2022, 12:04:20 AM

This is why I previously said we don't know the person who make this rumor and there's no proof at all, but the media just spread out this rumor in order to gain traffic. Medias and journalist wouldn't verify any proof before make an article, what they know is find a hot topic to get traffic. When the rumor proved wrong, they can just either delete their article or create another article lol just like they wasn't did something wrong.

Just from the reading of the news, you would have known that Qatar government can not do something stupid like that, how would they bribe 8 players to sacrifice their integrity. The rumour was just because Qatar is hosting world cup and they think that having the first mtch with Ecuador, that they will not want to lose it because Ecuador players are far better, they play faster and have more chance to win. That is just news, there are lies in news, that is why I prefer to read better news that will bring out such if it actually it is true, but I saw nothing like that on BBC, though no news is 100% accurate sometimes.

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This was proven wrong with yesterday's match. Ecuador won the match with nearly very little effort because of skill difference between two teams. This clearly shows people should blindly following match fixing rumors. We can all agree some match fixing happens around. Especially in lower leagues. But I don't think someone can fix World Cup match or Champions League match. Must be impossible because too visible.

This is why I previously said we don't know the person who make this rumor and there's no proof at all, but the media just spread out this rumor in order to gain traffic. Medias and journalist wouldn't verify any proof before make an article, what they know is find a hot topic to get traffic. When the rumor proved wrong, they can just either delete their article or create another article lol just like they wasn't did something wrong.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on November 20, 2022, 10:11:31 PM

Talks of bribe and fixed matches can hardly convince me. I'm usually suspicious of such talks. I know it is happening but without heavy evidences I would rather assume that things are running normally. But knowing Qatar a little bit and how the royals there could extravagantly spend huge amounts of money for whatever they have in mind regardless of whether they're just for a mere hobby or for image building or for pride or simply for ostentatious showing of wealth, it is possible.

But it seems they failed to include Valencia in the bribery. Lol.

Match fixing was buzzing about the World Cup opening match. But in the end it wasn't true. If Ecuador had lost that match, there would have been many rumors about this match. If it is fixed match then it could have seen Qatar score in the second half after the first half ended. But nothing was reflected. Qatar's poor performance keep Qatar at the bottom. Since billions of dollars are gambled every day on the win or loss of this match, fake news are always spreading in various ways.

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Talks of bribe and fixed matches can hardly convince me. I'm usually suspicious of such talks. I know it is happening but without heavy evidences I would rather assume that things are running normally. But knowing Qatar a little bit and how the royals there could extravagantly spend huge amounts of money for whatever they have in mind regardless of whether they're just for a mere hobby or for image building or for pride or simply for ostentatious showing of wealth, it is possible.

But it seems they failed to include Valencia in the bribery. Lol.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on November 20, 2022, 03:19:21 AM

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If that's true then it's worse for football and remember what happened to some of the bribery cases I think this will be investigated if true, again if true, and I quite doubt it's true don't think Qatar will damage their reputation with corrupt behavior this is because they have spent so much money for this tournament so it's a bit impossible that they will ruin all their hard work just because they want to look great and win matches where their people might realize that they are one of the weakest teams not only in this World Cup but also in the group

Damage? Qatar literally bribed Fifa to host this world cup, then ended up killing THOUSANDS of people to build the stadiums, enslaved them, not even allowed them to speak to their families when something happened, all those workers weren't even compensated, neither their families, many injured, and you think that their reputation could be damaged?

I tell you what, if an English team goes up on sale, and a person from Qatar wants to buy it, English fans will line up to kiss their feet so that they can get some money and success. Look at Newcastle, they got a literal murderer and someone who ignores human rights, and yet they loved it when he bought the club so they can see some success.

After the opening game was played with Qatar losing 2-0, does the news that they bribed Ecuador players still be true? Hostility towards the host has existed for a long time, not only for Qatar but also for countries that organize major events such as the Olympics, but whether this is true or not must be proven through investigations and trials, not only media rumors are believed.
With last night's results maybe another piece of news will appear that the money has not been transferred to the Ecuadorian players so they continue to play as usual and win the match, who knows because the media can report the truth but there are also many lies they report even just gossip.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on November 20, 2022, 06:37:39 PM

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The result of today's match proved the news to be false. I think fake news without proof targets countries and institutions, but actually harms football directly. It shouldn't be hard to say it's really unpleasant behavior. Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

in this age, we don't know anymore if the news is fake or legit. most are fake actually basing on some unfounded gossips. it will show on their performance, if indeed those 8 ecuadorian players got their bribed money. but in the game, it seemed they did great as they beat the seemingly weak qatari team. but of course people will speculate. if they learned that some players were bribed, they may have had changed their bets. we don't know the motive why such rumour spread before the game.

If I were a bettor I would but it should be an insider tip, not something that comes out in public, it's highly irregular, and people will believe that there's bribing if Qatar wins against Ecuador, checking the win, it's impressive they are highly motivated to win maybe they want to prove something, it is like Qatar hands is tied up because if they win the general public will think that there's indeed bribing and if it's not true then it's unfair for Qatar.

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 20, 2022, 06:33:21 PM

The result of today's match proved the news to be false. I think fake news without proof targets countries and institutions, but actually harms football directly. It shouldn't be hard to say it's really unpleasant behavior. Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

in this age, we don't know anymore if the news is fake or legit. most are fake actually basing on some unfounded gossips. it will show on their performance, if indeed those 8 ecuadorian players got their bribed money. but in the game, it seemed they did great as they beat the seemingly weak qatari team. but of course people will speculate. if they learned that some players were bribed, they may have had changed their bets. we don't know the motive why such rumour spread before the game.

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 20, 2022, 06:33:21 PM

The result of today's match proved the news to be false. I think fake news without proof targets countries and institutions, but actually harms football directly. It shouldn't be hard to say it's really unpleasant behavior. Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

Today's result gave the conclusion for the news spread around. If Qatar have won today's match, then the entire world could've started questioning the FIFA organization. The same could've spoilt the matches. Ecuador will be called for investigation and the Ecuador players could've received unwanted hate from their country people. Investigation to find the authority that revealed such news should be punished to avoid such unethical news spreading.

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The result of today's match proved the news to be false. I think fake news without proof targets countries and institutions, but actually harms football directly. It shouldn't be hard to say it's really unpleasant behavior. Also, I think there is a very high probability that it is a fake news made to influence betting predictions. Legal investigation should be initiated against whoever made this claim.

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Quote from: Mahanton on November 20, 2022, 05:50:23 PM

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OP, from what I discovered on the field, I didn't see such attitude from Ecuador team. Was it that the news was fault or because the news has leak so they refrain from the attitude of selling their right. In the match, Ecuador displayed their talent. They were always to score.

@acroman08 you can't judge them from a far. As you can see it from your TV if you are not in the stadium, there was nothing like bribery game on the pitch. Qatar has weak players and Ecuador has a strong team. So. I didn't see anything like as the op in the match.

Two things, first, the bribe is true but since it was discovered or exposed Qatar ask them that they forget the bribe and just play well because the whole world is watching to see if there's a hint of bribing, second, there's no bribe at all and its all just fake news Ecuador is really a strong team and Qatar is just a weak team, this is unfair for both teams to be accused of bribing both teams should go for those who created these fake news.

Whats the point of fake news? What things they would attain on saying such thing?

Its true that on the time where there are sayings or news or tips about those bribes then it is really just normal that they would really be just forgetting the deal and go as normal as this could really
create lots of issues if it did really happen on which beating up a strong team.We arent that blind nor make out some comparison on how well these teams are and which one is better and which
one is the best.If this turns out to be a fake news, then what are the things that they could get something from it?

Controversies like this happen in big events, Ecuador has been known to be a strong team if Qatar which is considered a weak team beat Equador then there's suspicion that there's a bribe going on, I think Ecuador is fully aware of the bribe news that they go all out to score goals, thanks to Enner Valencia who scored the two goals for Ecuador, there could possibly more news coming up in this World cup hopefully all are positive news.

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Quote from: Saisher on November 20, 2022, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: Mate2237 on November 20, 2022, 05:13:04 PM

OP, from what I discovered on the field, I didn't see such attitude from Ecuador team. Was it that the news was fault or because the news has leak so they refrain from the attitude of selling their right. In the match, Ecuador displayed their talent. They were always to score.

@acroman08 you can't judge them from a far. As you can see it from your TV if you are not in the stadium, there was nothing like bribery game on the pitch. Qatar has weak players and Ecuador has a strong team. So. I didn't see anything like as the op in the match.

Two things, first, the bribe is true but since it was discovered or exposed Qatar ask them that they forget the bribe and just play well because the whole world is watching to see if there's a hint of bribing, second, there's no bribe at all and its all just fake news Ecuador is really a strong team and Qatar is just a weak team, this is unfair for both teams to be accused of bribing both teams should go for those who created these fake news.

Whats the point of fake news? What things they would attain on saying such thing?

Its true that on the time where there are sayings or news or tips about those bribes then it is really just normal that they would really be just forgetting the deal and go as normal as this could really
create lots of issues if it did really happen on which beating up a strong team.We arent that blind nor make out some comparison on how well these teams are and which one is better and which
one is the best.If this turns out to be a fake news, then what are the things that they could get something from it?

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Quote from: Mate2237 on November 20, 2022, 05:13:04 PM

OP, from what I discovered on the field, I didn't see such attitude from Ecuador team. Was it that the news was fault or because the news has leak so they refrain from the attitude of selling their right. In the match, Ecuador displayed their talent. They were always to score.

@acroman08 you can't judge them from a far. As you can see it from your TV if you are not in the stadium, there was nothing like bribery game on the pitch. Qatar has weak players and Ecuador has a strong team. So. I didn't see anything like as the op in the match.

Two things, first, the bribe is true but since it was discovered or exposed Qatar ask them that they forget the bribe and just play well because the whole world is watching to see if there's a hint of bribing, second, there's no bribe at all and its all just fake news Ecuador is really a strong team and Qatar is just a weak team, this is unfair for both teams to be accused of bribing both teams should go for those who created these fake news.

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OP, from what I discovered on the field, I didn't see such attitude from Ecuador team. Was it that the news was fault or because the news has leak so they refrain from the attitude of selling their right. In the match, Ecuador displayed their talent. They were always to score.

@acroman08 you can't judge them from a far. As you can see it from your TV if you are not in the stadium, there was nothing like bribery game on the pitch. Qatar has weak players and Ecuador has a strong team. So. I didn't see anything like as the op in the match.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 20, 2022, 02:24:39 PM

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their scores do not really prove anything. As I said before a proper investigation should be done because despite Qatar losing in the opening match there is still a chance that the players of Ecuador were tried to be bribed and are telling the truth and if found that they are telling the truth appropriate actions should be done. but if they are found to be lying they should be found accountable for possible damages that were done because of the rumor.

It would be very irresponsible of the Ecuador team to spread those false rumors themselves, they could end up getting punished if they were found to be guilty. I see no reason why they would lie this way.
I am not very familiar with the culture and people of Qatar, but I assume it would be possible some wealthy person indeed tried to bribe the Ecuatorian selection, does not Qatar have a problem with corruption?

In the best case, this was just a rumor pushed by some media web that wanted to get attention and clicks not matter what.

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