Topic: Quality War ( Europe vs China and India ) (Read 606 times)

I could tell you that one of my friends looked for a place to get something done in bulk and china was still the best offer, even during the pandemic, not because they were cheap but they were agreeing to use the material that my friend requested for a much cheaper price, so he was getting that high end quality with that material used but also he was getting it cheap.

Now there were two other options, one was India as you might imagine, they said they could do a lot cheaper than china, but also use another and worse material, however my friend really thought about it because that material wasn't like horrible but just wasn't high end, if you gave Chinese version 90/100 this was 70/100 so he really considered it. Belgium also offered that same 90/100 material but was almost 4x the price, so obviously that was a bad choice. Take whatever you can from that.

China often sells low quality goods abroad, as the Buyers request low prices, and Chinese factories use non-expensive materials and supplies to take the order and have some profit. It's very typical of them.
But the inner market is strictly regulated and the goods must meet state standards.

If we are talking about products, then China loses because if I am right, they still produce their products based on quantity rather than quality, I do not know much about Indian products but I suppose that these countries need to cater their population with their quantity rather than focusing on quality because on practical standpoint, the constant production of short term products yield a better profit rather than long term.European products vary per country so we can't point out whether they win.

China is interested in Africa, because raw materials that are needed to manufacture the electronic appliances mostly come from that continent. I am talking about metals such as Cobalt. Chinese companies now own most of the mines and extraction facilities in Africa and they export the mined ore to China, where they are processed and incorporated in to finished products.

I got some familiarization about European and Chinese products and what I can say they were all pretty impressive. Knowing Europe as one of the Western nations that have great access with modern technology and skillful workers to take on good productions of goods and services, no doubt that what they can produce is a good quality of product. In terms of China which is one of the largest and richest country in Asia which is the Eastern region of the world do also have a great access on modern technology that is why some mechanicals are being assembled in China added by the fact that they do have a large mass of working force because of great population that offers small amount of payment. With India, I haven't ever tried or see any Indian products yet so I cannot state any for the quality of products they produce.

When it comes to quality, there is no doubt that Europe can produce a high grade quality of products for Western nations are known for that. In China, they can do also the same thing but knowing Chinese people, they are up into gaining profits that's why they tend to focus more on quantity over quality. But they can do also produce high grade products but since the labor payment is low and they focus on creating more quantity of products, the quality is mostly being compromised which makes it a general idea that products made out of China is a low quality one.

It doesn't matter what they are claiming here because not until we see that Great effect in their economy still this claim will be a nonsense story.

if you watch this thread you will find the advantage of europe now against US so what more to india ?

but china on the other hand is proving their capacity in controlling this virus and as we know the game here,the first country that first eliminate the virus will be the first to move forward.

that same thing maybe they have already the vaccine they just dont wanna share it  because of this scenario.

Being a regular visitor to India, I can confirm this. It's not just about coding and programming. Even in the manufacturing sector, the overall productivity is very low. The productivity of an Indian laborer or a factory worker is much lower when compared to someone in the same profession in China. They take much more time, and in the end the overall quality is not satisfactory. On top of that, every now and then they have the tendency to go on strike and destroy the factory infrastructure in the name of protests. An example here:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/5-years-on-deadly-riots-still-haunt-Maruti-Suzuki

And this is the main reason why so few companies are moving their manufacturing units to India, despite the government going all out attracting them.

There is a discourse that in a few years there will be a shift that Europe will be flooded with products made in Africa due to China's OBOR program in Africa. What China is doing in Africa now is copying what the United States did in China in the 90s. Chinese manufacturing will produce semi-finished goods for the African industry and the Chinese industry will begin to target the market for high quality goods as a form of shifting of Chinese manufacturing from the cheap goods industry to the high end goods industry at more competitive prices.

It is true that Chinese products are less durable and their lifespan is much shorter as compared to standard products but sometimes you don't need durable products for example there are dustbin bags which you don't want to have of superior quality since you are going to just use them once and then dispose it.

I agree that Indian products are firstly not used worldwide and they are neither too cheap nor they are premium quality so Indian products fail to capture big market share as neither they attract the poor sector not they have the quality to satisfy the high end customers.

European products are superior no matter what someone says that is the bitter truth for them. But if you compare them price wise then sometimes Chinese products despite having inferior quality wins the race.

That is because India is far behind in terms of technology and education and hence the average Indian you find for your project would always be working more hours and he would have less technical/coding skills because of the education gap and while Indian guys would work for cheaper prices they would always take more time which basically means the work done is the same.

I have seen some amazing guys from India so can't say that everyone is bad and in fact Satya Nadela the CEO of Microsoft is Indian but that is only because he is born in India but took his formal education from US.

I am not really that familiar on any product coming from India so I cannot state anything on the quality of the products it has. But regarding on European and Chinese products I am pretty familiar on those most specially on the products from China since I came from an Asian country so basically, we are on of the countries where their products are being traded and imported. When it comes to European products, what I can say is that they are really good in quality since Western countries are well-known to have good quality products compared to Asian. But the exception is Japan since they own a high technology that is why their products do have high quality as well that can be comparable to Western countries.

The main thing and concept that comes into the mind of people most specially for people who have already tried and owned products from China is that products do always come in low quality. Well that is basically true. But still there are good qualities of products coming from their country. It just so happen that people patronize low cost products coming from China since it is affordable that is why they are getting low quality products as well. What would you expect to get a high quality product with a cheaper price? That is quite impossible at this time because if you want high quality product, then you can have it if the price is right.

It's easy to say about war but in my own analysis, it also bothers us even if we don't care any of their dispute and it is too far, how if there is a faulty bioweapon which is exploded towards us, so I think there is no exemption at that time when war is actually happening inside and outside by the country, therefore, this not a joke if the European attack China and India, it is possible that economic crisis has been unstoppable to increase.

The product quality do not matter to them as long as they are making profits and manufacturer a lot of product. Chinese people are not aware about the quality of products that they have, they are only aware about the possibility of the consumer to buy their products again and again.

Maybe, that includes in their marketing strategy, that's the reason why although it is cheaper, I guarantee you that the product will not lasts longer. While, Indian products are almost the same with Chinese products, but India is focused on perishable goods that they are selling in the market.

Competition makes it good cheaper with better quality. War is not a good thing unless it benefits all the people around the world. Right now, we only have one enemy, and its the COVID. The commercial fight between US and China as well as China vs India is making things cheaper and easier to buy. As I have heard, many Western products are imported from Asia at a very cheap price. And then they pump the price up to 500% for profit and taxation.

According to recent movement, many factories from several countries are leaving China. They aim to build new factories in Vietnam, Thailand, etc. I believe that this behavior will make our economy stronger. The less powerful China is, the more flexible the world will be. The international equitable economy is what we are aiming for. Freedom will give everyone chances to improve either themselves and their civilization

Actually I am not from any European countries because I currently reside in Asia. But I have heard of the products from Europe which I can say that they are really of a high quality since Western countries are also well-known for good quality products. With regards to quality of products between India and China, I have tried and known many products coming from China but from India, I haven't even try one so I cannot say anything about that.

Products of China are known to be generic in a concept that they are of a low quality which I mostly heard from my fellow men here in our country and that is what the general thought that came in whenever they saw or heard that a product is "Made from China". But little they do know that most gadgets and technologies coming from Western countries are being assembled in China because of small cost of labor and have advance technology to do such task. What I can say is that products coming from China do have quality not that poor and not that so good. It is just in between. The problem is that people just have generic identification of China's products to low quality because of rotating murmurs and rumors making a bad impression about it.

Actually it is normal whenever you buy in the market that if you pay for a low cost, expect to get a low quality of product. Maybe those came from China because of small cost of labor and massive production of products. But there are still good products you can buy in good quality but of course with a higher price. It just shows the rational relationship of price to quality. Good price then good quality, low price then low quality.

The problem is that China is dominant over this stuff, that if they messed up and so does everything will be messed up too. I've seen some videos from China, and seeing their factories amazes me it is huge and full of workers, and found a separate video of chinese workers doing their job like no one else can. Can we based this on nationality? - NO, but rather on how strict you are to your employee the more open you are to them they will take the job for granted. Make money hard to earn.

The quality of living matters here, $1 is just like $3 for the americans, they are paid for more than $50 per day for a day of work unlike in asian country that could only costs $12 minimum.

Quality and everything rightfully belongs to the Japanese, I think. They really excel in craftsmanship and all aspects of production so I think, no contest and without any doubt, they are the masters of craftsmanship. Though for comparison between the 3 countries, the Europeans really have some quality products on their side, followed by India and lastly China. Don't get me wrong, the Chinese are basically the producers of almost all raw materials needed for most things, but their final products are really just too bad that most people often ignore using them. India on the other hand, has some good products but they are very few, or are seldom exported to other countries. Bottomline is, people can choose whatever they want, and unsurprisingly, they are getting knock-off brands from China since it serves them the purpose of what they want done. There isn't any problem to me personally as long as one thing does what it's intended to do, even if it's fake or cheap or low-quality. It may break faster than the original but seriously, China has upped its game when it comes to production so I guess its products will have more reliability compared to what it has years back.

You see the ego problem has hit you as well. I mean maybe they are making better or inferior products or maybe not but they are neither forcing you to buy them nor you are liable to buy their product and this ego is the main problem in the market right now.

China we all know make products that are cheap and once you buy products that are cheap you are going to compromise with the quality and I do not see any problem with it.

I don't understand why people are so egoistic based on their country or region because you are blessed you are born there doesn't mean you humiliate people who are born in other parts.

Hmmm... When it comes the country that makes better products, I will probably give it to Japan, I believe they make strong and durable products. I am not from any of these countries, but I have used products that came from them and based on what I have seen, there is no doubt Japan is definitely the best thing. The thing with European products is that they are usually costly, well... They are usually worth the extra bucks. As for Chinese and Indian products (I rarely see products made in India, it’s mostly made in China), they are always cheap but they do not last for a long time.

I heard that recently India is trying to take the place of China in terms of supplying basic and raw materials and equipment but not sure India will be capable of that. China is leading in that industry due to their population and big land area and dictatorship government whereas India is having only big population which makes them unable to compete against county like China.

It has been mentioned, but I'll put it out there again. A lot comes down to price point.
China can and does produce some high quality items.
But, as the quality increases so does the price. You need better materials to start with, better machinery to build it, better trained / more skilled workers. Etc.

So if you want the cheap version $5.00 item for $1.00 then yes China can do that for you. If you want the better made higher quality $5.00 for $5.00 they can do that for you too. Same as anyplace else.
And then they will kick your ass anyway because between China / India / the entire Asian area they have much higher population then Europe / North America / etc. So they can do the mass production thing and get costs down just due to the larger market.

-Dave