But they have narrowed their gap with the Korean brands, such as LG and Samsung. I have used Chinese (Xiaomi) and Korean (LG) brands, and I can confirm this.
It is true that Chinese products really raised the bar in that budget/best buy segment, and they do offer a lot for the money. I personally use few Xiaomi products (scale, Xiaomi Mi Box and Smartphone) and I am generally satisfied with the quality, especially considering the price, their products are really good value for the money. But if I want top quality, I have to look elsewhere. At least for now, unless they tackle that part of the market too. I remember times when Samsung phones were considered crappy and cheap, when Nokia ruled the market, and we can see now how situation changed. 
Topic: Quality War ( Europe vs China and India ) - page 3. (Read 606 times)
China make most of the world's products, partly because traditionally labour has been cheap there, and partly because it is a big, highly populated country. As China gets wealthier, this will no longer be the cheapest labour market... but the vast vast infrastructure they have built up over recent years should ensure that they remain the world's production hub. Nowhere else comes close.
I have bolded the term "partly" because that is just one of the many reasons.
Labor is not that cheap in China, at least when compared to the other Asian nations such as India, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Wages have grown over the past few years and now average wages for a factory worker in China stands at least 100% higher when compared to those in India or Indonesia. So why the companies continue to prefer China? There are many reasons.
First of all, an average Chinese worker is much more productive when compared to other people. Being an Indian, I have no reluctance in saying this. Here in India, I have seen foreign factory owners cursing the local workers, for their lack of work ethics and enthusiasm. Another factor that gives China advantage is the lack of red tape. This is a very big issue in countries such as India. And finally, environmental and other regulations are not that strict in China and this gives an advantage to those companies which deal with hazardous and toxic waste.
Moreover Europe's response to Coronavirus situation has clearly demonstrated how illiterate and unready Europeans are when it comes to hygeine and healthcare. There were enormous amounts of death only with meagre cases.
Are you kidding with this statement ?
Covid was spreading long before it was discovered probably from the start of 2019 . And where did covid start ? China
Why ? Do to fact some Chinese guy decided to eat bats ...
Why we don't see more cases in China ? Do to fact commies always lie about numbers ... My country was a communist country before 1989 .. we know what a communist is capable of doing...lying
In Europe we shake hands with people,we hug and kiss our women a lot do to fact it's a cultural thing here for over a millennia ...that's what spread the virus ...
In Europe we don't eat dogs and bats like Chinese do ... Nothing that a Chinese will make i will ever touch or buy as long as i live , this the punishment they deserve for creating the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A
China make most of the world's products, partly because traditionally labour has been cheap there, and partly because it is a big, highly populated country. As China gets wealthier, this will no longer be the cheapest labour market... but the vast vast infrastructure they have built up over recent years should ensure that they remain the world's production hub. Nowhere else comes close.
World's busiest 10 container ports (data only available to 2018) by number of containers (thousand TEUs):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports
World's busiest 10 container ports (data only available to 2018) by number of containers (thousand TEUs):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports
My Fellow Europeans
Indians and Chinese are telling me that they make better products and offer better services then us ...
What do you say to them ?
“Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOUfrnSNSs
There are couple of ambiguities in your statement. First of all this is not who economics work at all. Secondly if Europeans were capable enough to offer better goods and services then rest of the world. Then the industrial hub might never have shifted to USA and later China. Every market is not the same. Europeans are 10 years ahead in technology and the per capita income is much higher thereby they can afford products with higher quality which obviously come with a higher price tag. While developing economies like China India have consumers who don't mind sub par quality products when they are available at cheaper price. So the respective countries manufacturers make the products as per the needs of their customers. It's not that Europeans are great or Chinese/Indians are great. It's about understanding the consumer sentiment this is the reason why top investment funds are investing lile billions in China/ India not only in Europe.Indians and Chinese are telling me that they make better products and offer better services then us ...
What do you say to them ?
“Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOUfrnSNSs
Moreover Europe's response to Coronavirus situation has clearly demonstrated how illiterate and unready Europeans are when it comes to hygeine and healthcare. There were enormous amounts of death only with meagre cases.
I beg to disagree.
While Hisense, TCL and Xiaomi are decent TVs, especially in the budget range, if you want top quality, you will still go for Samsung, LG and Sony (not necessarily in that order of quality). Those Chinese brands still can't match them.
Here in Europe people are still mostly buying those proven brands, while only those that that are looking for budget options go for Hisense and other similar budget friendly brands.
While situation on TV market can certainly change in the coming years, I still hope that those top brands will survive and won't end up like Pioneer and Panasonic, who once had best TVs on the market but people rather chose cheap crappy lcds instead quality.
While Hisense, TCL and Xiaomi are decent TVs, especially in the budget range, if you want top quality, you will still go for Samsung, LG and Sony (not necessarily in that order of quality). Those Chinese brands still can't match them.
Here in Europe people are still mostly buying those proven brands, while only those that that are looking for budget options go for Hisense and other similar budget friendly brands.
While situation on TV market can certainly change in the coming years, I still hope that those top brands will survive and won't end up like Pioneer and Panasonic, who once had best TVs on the market but people rather chose cheap crappy lcds instead quality.
In Europe/US people are going to prefer local/Japanese/Korean brands instead of the cheap Chinese brands. But in developing nations such as India, the Chinese brands now have a near-complete monopoly in the electronics market (TVs, mobile phones.etc). And one thing that I would say is that the Chinese brands will never be able to compete with Japanese brands such as Sony and Panasonic. But they have narrowed their gap with the Korean brands, such as LG and Samsung. I have used Chinese (Xiaomi) and Korean (LG) brands, and I can confirm this.
For quite a while, China products are almost equated with mass-produced, substandard, disposable, cheap, easy to break, and even dangerous to use due to certain chemical components.
That's the only thing that they lack although they have a lot of manufacturers but the quality is not that guaranteed. Most of the materials that they used in their products are very poor quality but they are affordable that's why the demand is high.
As a rule of thumb, if manufacturers' goals are to export as many units as possible they will sacrifice quality, and sometimes dramatically.
A large part of the global supply chain is in China, so if you manufacture things in other countries, certain parts can't be made in as large batches as if they were manufactured in China. It brings screw production in Apple's Texas plants to mind, very low compared to if they were produced in China.
I don't agree that production in large volumes will necessarily mean reduction of quality. This is never a truth acceptable by manufacturing companies which truly value their brand name, products' quality, and customer's satisfaction over profit or money.
Unfortunately, large international brands are moving to China due to cheap labor and raw materials as well. They are after a larger profit. But it doesn't mean that they cannot match China's production capacity. If they will to, they can.
For quite a while, China products are almost equated with mass-produced, substandard, disposable, cheap, easy to break, and even dangerous to use due to certain chemical components.
That's the only thing that they lack although they have a lot of manufacturers but the quality is not that guaranteed. Most of the materials that they used in their products are very poor quality but they are affordable that's why the demand is high.
As a rule of thumb, if manufacturers' goals are to export as many units as possible they will sacrifice quality, and sometimes dramatically.
A large part of the global supply chain is in China, so if you manufacture things in other countries, certain parts can't be made in as large batches as if they were manufactured in China. It brings screw production in Apple's Texas plants to mind, very low compared to if they were produced in China.
Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.
I beg to disagree. While Hisense, TCL and Xiaomi are decent TVs, especially in the budget range, if you want top quality, you will still go for Samsung, LG and Sony (not necessarily in that order of quality). Those Chinese brands still can't match them.
Here in Europe people are still mostly buying those proven brands, while only those that that are looking for budget options go for Hisense and other similar budget friendly brands.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1582792353
While situation on TV market can certainly change in the coming years, I still hope that those top brands will survive and won't end up like Pioneer and Panasonic, who once had best TVs on the market but people rather chose cheap crappy lcds instead quality.
i don't know about India but the thing about Chinese is that they have been aiming to maximize their target customers as much as possible. that means they are producing as many product as possible with as big a range of quality as they can.
it is from top quality hence higher price targeting customers demanding higher quality and have the money to pay for it. which are usually from developed countries.
down to low quality crap hence the lower price targeting customers that don't have the money for it, which are usually from under-developed countries.
this also includes producing parts to complete products and making all other countries including developed countries heavily depend on them.
that is how they are overtaking the world.
the "war" is already lost, the rest of the world just hasn't realized it yet
it is from top quality hence higher price targeting customers demanding higher quality and have the money to pay for it. which are usually from developed countries.
down to low quality crap hence the lower price targeting customers that don't have the money for it, which are usually from under-developed countries.
this also includes producing parts to complete products and making all other countries including developed countries heavily depend on them.
that is how they are overtaking the world.
the "war" is already lost, the rest of the world just hasn't realized it yet
China sells what the market needs, not what the market likes. While India is trying to catch up and emulate China with progress, development, and super-fast growth.
When we are going to import something, in a sales contract there is such a thing as a good specification and term of the agreement, as long as the exporter and importer have agreed on the two points above and price, then there should be no more debate because both parties have agreed. The evolution of China, from a plagiarist country to a country that is expert at modifying and now a country with innovation, can show that China is indeed a great country with whatever slogans the market needs, China can provide. And even more ridiculous, it is understood that China is good at making low-quality, low-cost goods, but many countries still have trade deficits with China.
India, although it has long been instilling technology-based education from an early age but like the Tigers who lost their fangs, and I think India is far behind China.
There are nothing worse in the world than indian guys code
There is something worse: Indian tech support.
I use a lot of Chinese products and their quality can range from good products, like Xiaomi electronics, or total garbage fake crap like a lot of the power banks, batteries, cables and connectors that come from China. As for the EU products, most of them are still made in China, just assembly and quality check is done in the EU. All plastic molds and stuff come from Asia, same as all components like capacitors, circuit boards and such are usually Chinese, even in US/EU made products.
Being from India, I am not going to defend the products from my country. I admit that we still have a long way to go. Until 10-15 years ago, products from China had a reputation of being low-quality and less-durable. But they managed to change that, even while keeping the products very much affordable to the customers. I don't know whether India will be able to repeat the success of the Chinese.
Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.
Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.
India will have its success as well. Xiaomi is by far one of the best phone brand today. It just doesn't have the marketing of Huawei its right there made by the Chinese. Over the years of manufacturing the products, they eventually arrive a standard that will compete products from elsewhere.
Just look what type of cars are shipped to Europe and even in US. They are Asian cars built for American size for thier leg rooms like Toyota Camry.
Being from India, I am not going to defend the products from my country. I admit that we still have a long way to go. Until 10-15 years ago, products from China had a reputation of being low-quality and less-durable. But they managed to change that, even while keeping the products very much affordable to the customers. I don't know whether India will be able to repeat the success of the Chinese.
Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.
Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.
Indians and Chinese are telling me that they make better products and offer better services then us ...
They can say that because they both have the largest population here in the world and their labor is much stronger than other country. Being a 1st and 2nd with largest population will surely take advantage of their labor to produce and make a lot product, and that's the reason why their economy is strong.
For quite a while, China products are almost equated with mass-produced, substandard, disposable, cheap, easy to break, and even dangerous to use due to certain chemical components.
That's the only thing that they lack although they have a lot of manufacturers but the quality is not that guaranteed. Most of the materials that they used in their products are very poor quality but they are affordable that's why the demand is high.
i don't know about India but the thing about Chinese is that they have been aiming to maximize their target customers as much as possible. that means they are producing as many product as possible with as big a range of quality as they can.
it is from top quality hence higher price targeting customers demanding higher quality and have the money to pay for it. which are usually from developed countries.
down to low quality crap hence the lower price targeting customers that don't have the money for it, which are usually from under-developed countries.
this also includes producing parts to complete products and making all other countries including developed countries heavily depend on them.
that is how they are overtaking the world.
the "war" is already lost, the rest of the world just hasn't realized it yet
it is from top quality hence higher price targeting customers demanding higher quality and have the money to pay for it. which are usually from developed countries.
down to low quality crap hence the lower price targeting customers that don't have the money for it, which are usually from under-developed countries.
this also includes producing parts to complete products and making all other countries including developed countries heavily depend on them.
that is how they are overtaking the world.
the "war" is already lost, the rest of the world just hasn't realized it yet
Honestly, the Indian and China products cant matchup with the European products in terms of quality. Besides, the reason why China and India seem to gain more the affection of companies and group is because of their tax level which is not as huge as the EU.
Honestly if we are to go by the standard of goods and services rendered by the aforementioned counties against their European counterparts, the European goods and services will definitely outperform theirs. We can see how most part of Asia and Africa are still living abject poverty. They can only afford substandard goods and it is only Indians and Chinese engineers that are ready to manufacture those type of goods to meet their demands and wants.
I've never used a European goods before except a language imported by them; so I'm going with the Indians and the Chinese because I'm more familiar with their goods and services.
Are you kidding with suzuki .... ? Are you comparing does junk cars with european cars ? .... you should really do a google search on european cars...
You're true AFAIK most of Indian cars doesn't have airbags, it's pretty dangerous IMO. In a simple accident, it will make a lot injuries or even death! you should really do a google search on european cars...While in european cars they have airbags as a standard, to make it more safety to ride.
in Europe kind of all is made by Standard ... if someone sells Chinese toys in my country all i got to do is report him ... then they make lab tests and they will find out that Chinese used carcinogenic plastic ... his biz will be closed and get a fine ...
You can't even burn the EU flag if your british do to EU standards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQRg7wH_FC0
Are you kidding with suzuki .... ? Are you comparing does junk cars with european cars ? .... you should really do a google search on european cars...
You're true AFAIK most of Indian cars doesn't have airbags, it's pretty dangerous IMO. In a simple accident, it will make a lot injuries or even death! you should really do a google search on european cars...While in european cars they have airbags as a standard, to make it more safety to ride.
Well if you notice what brand of cars we use today are mostly from Asia. Suzuki cars are made in India. It may be owned by Japan but its created in India. And of course, where else do they assemble and make cars today but in China. In the list are Toyota, Honda, Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, and Mercedes.
You can check it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production
No need for war in this.
You can check it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production
No need for war in this.
Are you kidding with suzuki .... ? Are you comparing does junk cars with european cars ? ....
you should really do a google search on european cars...You could have mentioned Mercedes company he'd keep shut.
Ferrari,Bugatti,Lamborghini,Maserati,Renault,Skoda,Opel,Seat,VW,Audi,Dacia,Maybach,Citroen...and many others and GHE-O
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