Topic: Quickseller escrowing for himself - page 30. (Read 33647 times)

Why don't you just clearly state that you are not Quickseller?  That would satisfy me and probably other members, because then if it turned out you were lying, we could leave you and QS negative trust.

Something's wrong with your timeline. There aren't 11 days between April 20 and April 20.

I think if QS had signed a message with the address he claimed to control this would have ended. It's standard practice to do so, why wouldn't QS do it?


Why don't you help us out. Are you and QS the same person or not?

Timeline:

March 3, 2015:
The escrow for TSP"s signature campaign posts a GPG signed message claiming to be in possession of 8 BTC. TSP continued his participation of this signature campaign without incident

Over 30 days pass!

April 9, 2015:
TSP trollsQS on a signature campaign thread about signing a bitcoin message from the bitcoin address he claimed to be holding money in. QS had previously signed a PGP message saying almost the exact same information as the message in the signature campaign TSP was participating in.

Over 11 days pass!

April 20, 2015:
TSP opens a thread in Meta complaining that QS was engaging in trust abuse. It appears that QS had removed the negative trust rating and then put it back on, so I am not quite sure as to what date it was originally put on, however I have no reason to believe it was any date other then this same date.

I think yes, TSP was the one harassing QS, not the other way around. It was going on for over a week and a half before QS found something on TSP. If the trust rating was really something petty, don't you think he would have added it sooner rather then after more then a week?

I have seen a lot of people troll QS (yourself included) that never receive any kind of negative trust from QS. I don't think you like QS, do you? Has QS ever given you any kind of negative rating? I don't think you would like it if I started to harass you for over a week after you did nothing to me (don't worry, I am not going to do this), so why would you think QS would be any different?


Even if you did not believe that TSP was harassing QS (even though I just proved that he was), then how would you explain TSP's harassment towards me? I had posted in TSP's meta thread at September 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM and TSP responded on September 02, 2015, 11:33:07 PM, only 50 minutes later(!) claiming that I am QS. Do you really think that TSP was able to do all this research in only 50 minutes? To add insult to injury, TSP is not even sure that he is right about me and QS being the same person.


There is also the issue of why TSP asked me to post in his meta thread in the first place. I received this unsolicited personal message from TSP around two weeks ago:
Why do you think TSP asked me to post in his meta thread, and only two weeks later accused me of being QS, and accused QS of what he claims QS did?

Negative ghost rider.

I'd say that it's the other way around. Take a look at the reason QS gave tspacepilot the negative rating, it's quite obvious that QS was looking for a reason to give him a negative rating and he dug out a very petty incident, he had nothing to do with and held zero proof about. Also from years ago. After being called out and even temporarily removed from default trust after a lot of controversy had concentrated in a small period of time QS still refused to revise the rating out of spite. Do you still think that tspacepilot harassed quickseller?

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Now to remind people about QS suspicious behavior:

Around the day he's removed from default trust he stops his escrow service, weeks later, same two people (badbear, tomatocage) that had him removed from their trust lists re-add him and he gets back in default trust, re-opens his escrow service. Now he's caught escrowing himself, which is unacceptable for normal escrow, tomatocage says(just how flawed is the logic behind this?) and Badbear, the only person able to check for account ownership remains silent while still keeping QS in default trust?

Last time QS was removed from badbear's trust list was when someone topped the overload of then controversy about QS and accused them of being the same person, so I don't know if he should be trusted either.

Why would Mitchell speak out against you a second time? Don't you think he learned his lesson the first time?

Maybe I should reiterate this question: Why exactly did you ask me to post in your meta thread if you "knew" that I "am" QS? Are you such a horrific stalker that you go around analyzing the speech patterns of users trying to find potential "alts" of QS?

If you want to ask me my opinion about using yourself as escrow, then I will tell you that my opinion if none of your business. I made the mistake of telling you my opinion once before and am not going to make that same mistake again. I have answered your question regarding my identity and who I am, and I am not going to be any more specific then I have because I know you will somehow twist my words to make it sound like I said something else.

I will also say that the fact that you have ignored my relevant questions will allow the preponderance of the evidence to show the following:

#TSP harassed Mitchell for months in retaliation for calling him a scammer
#TSP chose to harass QS because he did business with someone TSP did not like, and was making TSP's overall harassment less effective
#TSP is an asshole

I'm not going to engage with your distraction attempt.  You want to make this about some trumped up issue you see between Mitchell and me.  I don't have any issue with Mitchell because, guess what, some people are okay to disagree without making it into a personal issue.  If Mitchell has some problem with me, surely he can speak for himself on the matter.  In any case, I can't see any relevance between Mitchell and you using escrow for yourself.

The issue in this thread is your use of an alt to trade using yourself as an escrow.  Doing this, as far as I can tell, defeats the purpose of escrow being a neutral, third-party.  I'm pretty sure that using yourself as a hidden escrow is basically the definition of conflict-of-interest.

You keep on posting these distraction attempts, but alas, it's quite transparent and you're not doing yourself any favors.  Best to try to stick to the issue at hand.  Can you go ahead and explain to us how using yourself as an escrow isn't a conflict of interest?  Or, if you're not an alt of quickseller, maybe it's best to go on the record as such.

Here's another observation, you keep on posting these "non-denials" when asked if you're an alt of quickseller.

"Whaddya mean? I'm just me?"

"I'm panthers52"

"This is the only newbie account I've used to post in this thread"

etc

I can't figure out why you keep doing this.  If you want to deny that panthers52 is your alt, you should go ahead and deny it (I'm guessing you don't want to do this because you can already foresee the day when you're going to have to own up to it, like you eventually did with ACCTSeller).  But doing all these strangely worded non-denials is a very odd thing to do.  What's the point of it?

Wow! So sad, wonder who one can trust on these board? s this a case of
All scammers , sorry animals been equal,
But some are more equal than others?

Just my opinion, and not a ststrment of fact.

@tsp - you have still not explained why exactly you were wanting me to post in your meta thread. You knew my opinion on the matter long before I actually posted, yet your initial reaction was that QS and I were the same person. Is there a reason why you did not make this claim weeks ago?

You have also not responded to my questions here. I do understand that these questions to make you look very bad (as you are a bad person), but they are relevant to this thread and your MO for harassing and slandering anyone who disagrees with you.

Quickseller, you admitted in the third post of this thread that you didn't really understand the experiment.  That's okay, it is a little complicated.  Thankfully for you, you can download all the code and run as many tests as you'd like.

This is the setup:

1) I saw that Quickseller had written many, many posts under his main account, the corpus I downloaded was approximately .5 million words after tokenization
2) I knew that Quickseller had written a substantial amount of posts under an alt account which he stopped denying was his a few months ago (ACCTSeller).
3) I had more than a strong intuition that Panthers52 was QS' account, and he's written a prety substantial amount of posts with that account too.
4) The objective, then, it to quantify the similarity of the language of the Panthers52 account with repect to the known alts.

So, the experimental hypothesis is a two parter:

A language model trained on the posts of Quickseller will:
  * predict the corpora of ACCTSeller and Panthers52 with equivalent accuracy
  * predict the copora of ACCTSeller and Panthers52 with much better accuracy than the corpora of people who aren't his alt

The results:

The experimental results support both hypotheses quite strongly.  Even the model trained on the ACCTSeller data (which is considerably less robust than the QS one because of the smaller size of training data) predicts the QS and Panthers corpora much better than it predicts the copora of the non-alts in the study.

Because the code for the experiment has been made public, anyone is free to replicate the results or to run their own experiments.  If QS really wants me to run his model against more and more accounts, it's my intuition that he'll just be putting more nails into his own alt's coffin.  Maybe I'l do it tomorrow, I don't really feel like doing it today.  What's more, the behavoir of Panthers52/Quickseller both in this thread and also here already shows that they're alts to anyone who takes time to look into it.  So, to me, the quantitative data is sorta just the icing on the cake, so to speak.

There are actually a few other metrics used in textual studies which I think would be fun to apply.  Stuff with respect to hapax legomena.  If I have time, I'l try to brush up on some of these modelling techniques and I can release some further quantitative measures.  But, alas, I actually have some others stuff to do this weekend so it may be a few days.

Anyone who wants to know more about the experiment and/or receive the language models generated should PM me or email me.

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The question for those on default trust at this point is this:

Given how quick you guys are to mark red trust on anyone even suspected of scamming and how it's basically considered around here that the burden of proof is on the accused to prove themselves innocent, isn't it time to warn others about trading with Panthers52?  That, at the very least, someone trading with Panthers52 might be well advised to use an escrow other than Quickseller if he really wants a neutral third-party escrow?

I believe that TSP had this post prepared (at least the claim prepared) long prior to me ever posting in his meta thread about QS. He wanted an excuse to have run the "tests" he run in the first post. His conclusions are far from sound considering the fact that his overall sample was very small. I wonder how many tests TSP had to run until he found three others who have very high numbers against eachother

hahahahaha.   this guy is so ridiculous I can't even take him seriously. does this means that QS is also PsychoticBoy? awesome.


now that is interesting. why would TSP want you to post there? I just saw redsn0w's post on the other thread... could that be the reason?

man, you're one ridiculous looking moron right now, do you know that? You can't even reply coherently, you use the same tactics that scammers use. You have serious mental instabilities, as evidenced by your constant twisting of people's words, doubling-down over and over, even when you know you are fucked.

At this point, I'm actually convinced that you are not only Quickseller & Panthers, but also TC.

Oh, I'll just leave this here ...  

Hi,

I see that you posted expressing interest in my Lealana .1 BTC MS66 coin.

Where would shipping be to?

Regarding escrow providers, I would accept Tomatocage, Quickseller or PsychoticBoy as escrow, although I am willing to use any reputable escrow.

Let me know if you want to make an offer.

Kind Regards
Panthers52