Topic: Quickseller escrowing for himself - page 29. (Read 33647 times)

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one my friend.

One last argument would be that I make a loan to someone, and they trust me to hold their collateral personally, then I would be able to charge a higher interest rate then if they were borrowing from no-name newbie when escrow would need to be used (an incrementally higher interest rate so that the total amount the borrower repays is higher when borrowing from me verses when borrowing from no-name newbie).

Either way, as I previously mentioned, I am not going to ever further comment on any potential alt that anyone suspects that I am one way or another. I would also recommend that panthers not further comment on him being the same person as myself (and the same as anyone else who is claimed to be me).

Thanks again vod. Scammers gonna scam. Let's face it, the best scam-busters are scammers themselves, just like hackers. 

Yah.. Sure, your spot on.. Not. Bring it on then. Mark my real acct with red ... I guarantee you will just fail, but that's your option, not mine scammer.

BTW, you don't scare me at all you bullying child. Go back to the kickyard field so you can again be the last kid picked. 

This ^^^^ is exactly why so many people hate you. You never give in. You just double down. You just admitted your a scammer. Good job.

 

Ok, I use insure, you use guarantee.

The borrower is paying for a guarantee he will get his collateral back from a dishonest lender.

If you and the lender are the same person, you cannot offer that guarantee!   But you still charge him for the guarantee!

You are basically building up a reputation of dishonesty.  

I am fairly certain who you are, at least I have a couple of pretty good theories. You are either someone who has a negative rating from me (this list is pretty long, but there are only a small number of people on this list that you might be), someone who probably should have a negative rating but doesn't (this is a very short list), or someone who is very much at risk of a negative rating for reasons unrelated to your troll account trolling me.

Either way.....welcome to my ignore list

The escrow guarantees the terms of the escrow are met. They use their reputation to cause both parties to believe that the funds will be released in accordance with the escrow agreement.

Like I said the escrow fee is factored into the overall price of what is being traded. If one party is paying the escrow fee, then the other will be inclined to to accept a price against their favor.

Furthermore, there are plenty of very highly reputable members who charge above market prices for what they sell, and I can find no reason why those prices are supported other then the fact that their reputation supports that their trading partner is not going to get scammed.

I have also been given the argument a number of times by reputable members that I should accept a less favorable price for an item because their reputation supports they will follow through on the trade and that dealing with them would not be a waste of time. The price difference in these cases would almost always be greater then the escrow fee if escrow were to be used. I have made similar arguments to others as well. In other words, if someone was doing a direct trade with QS, they would receive an inferior price verses trading with QS-alt and using QS as escrow.

The fee is insurance.  The escrow is stating he will replace the funds (insure) if you are the victim of fraud.

If you really believe the fee is for your time, explain why newbies shouldn't be escrows.  Their time is just as valuable as yours, they just can't insure it because they don't have the reputation.

Escrowing for yourself, esp if the other person isn't aware it's your alt - is fraud and scammy behavior.  Since you and the escrow are the same person, why do you get paid twice for your time?

Oh shit, really...?? Why?? Because I don't want an unwarranted scammer tag on a hero account from a fucking crooked loser like you, you retarded kid/asshat, which you frequently give out to anyone you even think maybe "Scamming"... You're clearly a stupid fucking hot-headed bullying child kind of mental case. Good luck with that in life, loser.  

Edit - Keep posting your childish bullshit. we all see through it. Your time here is limited. Use it wisely, eh? 

The escrow fee is factored into the price that both parties agree to. If the buyer is paying the escrow fee, then the seller would be able to agree to a little bit lower of a price, and conversely if the seller is paying the fee, then the buyer would be willing to pay a little bit higher of a price.

The fee is not insurance, the fee is for your time (ect.).

However the insurance is provided because if I were to hypothetically escrow for my own trade, and lose the money I was holding then I would still need to cover the losses from my own personal funds

Well I will have to disagree with TC.

If you escrow, you charge a fee for insurance.

If you escrow yourself, you still charge the fee, but you don't provide any extra insurance at all.

That is the scam.

I am sorry troll, but who are you? Why don't you grow some balls and post an actual argument from a non-troll account?

I have also answered this once (see page 2). However moving forward, I am going to adopt a policy of neither admitting nor denying if any alt accounts are mine (except possibly ones I use to investigate scams), especially ones whose trust history reflect having physical items shipped to them.

As TC mentioned, escrowing for yourself is really not a scam. If you are going to trust someone to send first to them (do a direct trade), then all you need to trust is that they will end up not scamming you, however if you are going to trust someone to escrow for you then you must trust they will not simply run away with coins, but also will effectively mediate any dispute that arrises, therefore you must trust someone more to use them as escrow verses trusting them doing a direct trade. Whenever I had escrowed deals involving panthers, there was never any disputes and released money only when I was instructed to do so.

I am fairly certain that you did not appreciate it when scammers were posting what they claimed to be your dox (I am unsure if the entire dox is correct, however you had confirmed that the name is correct), and I would think you would understand that I would like to avoid similar activity (although my name is a lot more common then yours is).

This thread is nothing more then an intimidation attempt against me by tspacepilot (and this is not the first one). I really do not think it is a good idea to believe/trust him simply because the person he stole from is a scammer (even if you did think this was okay, TF was not a scammer - he was at least not labeled as one - when tspacepilot stole from TF). I do not doubt this will be the last intimidation attempt by him either.

If what panthers had posted about receiving a message to post in tspacepilot's thread about me is true, then tspacepilots claim that he "stumbled" across this information in his thread. This is in addition to the fact that tspacepilot's experiment is not scientifically valid as it does not use anywhere near as many data points as necessary to confirm/deny his hypothesis. I would not be surprised if tspacepilot ran similar tests on many other users until he found three that had high scores on everyone else in his test (assuming of course that the data he presented is real)

Wow, so questioning how a system works is scammy to you? You are fucking dead nuts crazy dude. Get off the adderall or whatever keeps you up 22 hours a day to post on this fucked up corrupt and criminal forum.

No, you would get negative trust for being a liar.

You state for a fact you are not QS.  We find out for a fact you are.  You would probably get negative trust from multiple people for dishonesty.

This is why I don't understand why you just don't state for a fact that you are or are not the same person.  Why all the games?

Honestly confused here.

It was more then just the one post. There were other examples of tsp's trolling I am sure.

It is also unusual that someone who never conducts any trades is so concerned how the reputation system works

Being an alt of someone with Dark Green trust means you get negative trust I am sorry to say but I think you have this backwards

If you read what I wrote, you would see that the exact same thing was posted on both "April 20th"'s. There was 11 days between when TSP started trolling QS, and when QS gave TSP a negative rating.
That is something you would need to ask QS. I did give an example of a case when this was not done. This is an example where TSP would have a legitimate reason to be concerned about actual possession of money because a portion of the money in question was going to be due him.

If you really want me to answer why QS did not sign a message, then he might have taken from the allmighty dooglus:


It seems that legendary signature campaign manager dooglus never signed a message from the escrow address.

It also said that you have other coins to replace them with if they were lost/spent.

Tspacepilot also posted several times in that thread, but never asked you for a signed message. Why do you think that is? FYI - he did have standing to ask because one of his alts was going to receive payment from the signature campaign (unlike the one he was trolling QS in).

I understand that you are strangely backing tsp blindly, but I really do not think this is a good approach. Why are you so interested in this case anyway? There are plenty of other scammers who cry trust abuse that you take no interest in. Seems suspicious to me.
I have answered this question before, and answering it again is only going to result in my words getting twisted by tsp (and maybe you).

Asking to sign a message was trolling? I get that there was a conflict between him (,quickseller) and you (Panthers52) but there's nothing that could justify searching back in his history to give him a negative rating with no proof. That on it's own is the definition of trust abuse and to some extent justifies tspacepilot's meta posts while making the person behind the account you're defending loose a lot of credibility on the eyes of someone looking at this from a second person perspective. If you ask me, both sides hold responsibility for keeping up a conflict for so long, but the way quickseller handles some of his negative ratings is just childish.