Quickseller escrowing for himself - page 31.

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Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 07:31:11 AM

Ah Dang! saw your post..

So, I kill you and claim that I hadn't mentioned "I won't kill you." in the contract? LOL, you are just stupid. Cheesy

Thats because I have the right to live and nothing should overturn a right, otherwise it becomes a privilege. I'm unaware of any such right to the disclosure of alt accounts. I understand your point completely, you seem to think QS has commited some kind of fraud by not disclosing the account, I don't agree with you. Scams aren't moderated here, buyers need to be careful, they are the ones responsible to find this kind of trickery.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 07:10:43 AM

Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 07:06:41 AM

No one is blindly trusting anyone. The buyer would NOT find anything solid even if he suspect that QS and Panthers52 is the same person. It is not possible for the buyer to establish they are the same person with reasonable diligence

If it is not possible for the buyer to establish that then he should not trade with that person. Did it say in the escrow contract that he isn't the same person as another party in the trade?

Ah Dang! saw your post..

So, I kill you and claim that I hadn't mentioned "I won't kill you." in the contract? LOL, you are just stupid. Cheesy

Edit: forgot to add "Caveat Emptor". Your fault that you died. Cool

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Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 07:06:41 AM

No one is blindly trusting anyone. The buyer would NOT find anything solid even if he suspect that QS and Panthers52 is the same person. It is not possible for the buyer to establish they are the same person with reasonable diligence

If it is not possible for the buyer to establish that then he should not trade with that person. Did it say in the escrow contract that he isn't the same person as another party in the trade?

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 07:01:31 AM

Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:58:56 AM

You expect the person using the escrow to check whether the escrow and the seller is not the same person? Huh

LOL! so you blindly trust that the escrow isn't doing that? Don't do that, you'll be sure to get scammed. Absolutely you need to be checking that the escrow isnt trying to scam you. The whole way we use escrows here is FAR from perfect and there are many ways to get scammed including this way.

No one is blindly trusting anyone. The buyer would NOT find anything solid even if he suspect that QS and Panthers52 is the same person. It is not possible for the buyer to establish they are the same person with reasonable diligence.

You are probably posting too fast without thinking? or you got me wrong there. I am talking specifically about this case.

Edit: You are just wasting my time with awkward out of context posts (by reading and replying one sentence a time?). Bye. Talk to you later.

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Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:58:56 AM

You expect the person using the escrow to check whether the escrow and the seller is not the same person? Huh

LOL! so you blindly trust that the escrow isn't doing that? Don't do that, you'll be sure to get scammed. Absolutely you need to be checking that the escrow isnt trying to scam you. The whole way we use escrows here is FAR from perfect and there are many ways to get scammed including this way.

Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:58:56 AM

QS should be glad this is an anonymous forum. Else he would probably have been sued a few thousand times now.

Lol. It is not an anonymous forum nor has it ever been described as one by any of its operators. The forum collects the same amount of user information as every other forum running SMF does and Theymos provides this information to law enforcement whenever he is served with a subpoena. Additionally he claims he will provide said information without a subpoena when contacted by a law enforcement official regarding a user that is strongly suspected to be scamming and there is strong evidence to suggest that, something most other websites would never do, most websites would refuse to provide any help to the government unless they are compelled by a court to.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:47:41 AM

Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:41:18 AM

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that.

Same here.

Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:54:01 AM

Caveat Emptor.

Caveat Emptor? really? You expect the person using the escrow to check whether the escrow and the seller is not the same person? Huh

Escrow is supposed to be independent. Did you know that?
If material things are not disclosed, it is equivalent to fraud.

QS should be glad this is an anonymous forum. Else he would probably have been sued a few thousand times by now.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:54:01 AM

Here is the thing, you can never know if two users here are the same user. If they stated they are different users and were found out to be the same, that would be different that would be a lie. But I have yet to see QS state that he is or is not Panthers52. He never told the buyer that they were different people. Caveat Emptor.

You are saying that the buyer getting deceived is fine, as QS didn't say or do or mention something? Basically, you are supporting this action on a technicality but are oblivious to the morality of it?

You are willing to trust and back a person who is trying to use some loophole to deceive someone else?

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Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:50:19 AM

Your support escrowing for self?

No, I have not and will never use an alt account to trade with someone for a deal I am escrowing. But everyone that trades with me should assume that I am trying to do that and look out for it, just the same as if they trade with any other escrow.

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Here is the thing, you can never know if two users here are the same user. If they stated they are different users and were found out to be the same, that would be different that would be a lie. But I have yet to see QS state that he is or is not Panthers52. He never told the buyer that they were different people. Caveat Emptor.

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Quote from: Jhanzo on September 06, 2015, 06:43:43 AM

Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:41:18 AM

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

where's the proof of that, I wonder? or are you just saying that because of tsp's little assessment?
sad indeed.

Its clear to anyone but a few stubborn ones that Panther32 and QS are the same person. Its so obvious its a wonder that this is even being contested.

QS deceived and cheated his customer. TC turns a blind eye saying he will support QS as long as he does something useful. The others like Blazr supporting this action makes it sad.

What does Blazedout419 and Miutchell has to say to this? Mitchell's trust to Panther32 seems to have been influenced by free shipping, which was possibly QS's way of buying trust for Panther32.

Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:47:41 AM

Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:41:18 AM

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that.

Your support escrowing for self?

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Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:41:18 AM

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

I can only be myself and state my opinion. I won't silence myself just because my reputation is at stake. I don't care about my reputation so much, I know myself that I am a reputable person and I don't care what other people think. I got the rep that I have by being myself and will continue to do that.

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Quote from: Hazelnut on September 06, 2015, 06:41:18 AM

The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

where's the proof of that, I wonder? or are you just saying that because of tsp's little assessment?
sad indeed.

can anyone make a simpler version of it? that thing is too complicated for me. not to mention that I need to download someone's entire post history.

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The sad part is Blazr is staking his reputation on someone who has been caught being escrow for self. If he is now supporting that kind of action too then nothing more needs to be said.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:34:15 AM

Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:30:03 AM

You probably are unfamiliar with law.

Lol, sadly I wish that was the case.

Ok, then, I give up. What is it? You trust QS too much?

That said, if QS was a newbie, no one can accuse him of libel. Sadly, I wish that was the case. Tongue

Edit: The more important part in proving libel is - does/did the false statement affect (or can potentially affect) the party significantly? Yes, it did.
Then comes:
Did QS state it has an opinion? No he stated it as an obvious fact.

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Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:30:03 AM

You probably are unfamiliar with law.

Lol, sadly I wish that was the case.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:27:13 AM

Here is the thing, you are allowed to hold any opinion you want in a free country. For example, I think Blue is a nice color, I think ING direct are a fraud, I think PayPal are a fraud. I also think DaDice are a fraud (yes I actually do), I think you are suspicious because it is difficult to authenticate who you are because IIRC your alt accounts have been hacked before. Those are my opinions and stating your opinion is not libel.

If I said that you scammed me for 1000BTC, that would be libel, because that didn't happen.

You are wrong.

You probably are unfamiliar with law. DD cannot accuse dooglus or shorena for doing anything, but whatever QS did can be sued in RL as libel.

Whatever shorena or dooglus or NLNico said can be termed as their opinion. QS went far beyond that months ago. Just look at the auction thread, for instance. He hijacks just every single Da Dice related thread to make his point. DD can more than certainly accuse QS of libel. His false statements as supposed to be "trusted member of the community" is defamation.

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Quote from: Blazed on September 06, 2015, 12:23:21 AM

lol...

Compensated for what losses exactly? Getting a negative rating is not the end of the world, and does not cause someone to lose money from it. I will trade with anyone regardless of rep if they use escrow.

Coming from someone like you, I find this highly ironic. Not everyone here has the chance to buy and sell highly valued items in the forum. Sure, a negative rating wouldn't be the end of the world for someone with your trust rating. However, with the way default trust is thrown at everyone's face one can't avoid being looked down upon by some people just for having a negative rating that might as well be wrong or coming from a personal conflict.

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Quote from: ndnh on September 06, 2015, 06:21:23 AM

Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:12:55 AM

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I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.

Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.

I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.

Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.

For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel.

It is libel. Tongue

He also labelled Da Dice a scam without any evidence.
He said so multiple times across threads not just in the trust feedbacks.

Here is the thing, you are allowed to hold any opinion you want in a free country. For example, I think Blue is a nice color, I think ING direct are a fraud, I think PayPal are a fraud. I also think DaDice are a fraud (yes I actually do), I think you are suspicious because it is difficult to authenticate who you are because IIRC your alt accounts have been hacked before. Those are my opinions and stating your opinion is not libel.

If I said that you scammed me for 1000BTC, that might be libel, because thats a false statement of a fact.

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Using an alt for escrow is a scam, and it deceives the other party in the trade. TC endorsing it shows how much blinded he is increasingly becoming, and the forum having him on level 1 shows how screwed up it is.

QS deceived the other trader, and stole the escrow fee.

QS also deceived Blazedout419, Mitchell and TC and got positive feedback from them. Its funny that they support him even after being fooled into thinking Panther32 is a separate person.

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Quote from: Blazr on September 06, 2015, 06:12:55 AM

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I've dealt with hundreds of customers and never had a customer demand Bitcointalk escrow like that. It's fine if he left it at that regardless, but he proceeded to attack my reputation in an attempt to scare away my customers.

Libel and defamation are illegal, and quickseller has committed so much libel against me it has hurt my online business resulting in direct monetary damages. This was just one example of many, he has been doing this for about a year to me. I have chosen up to this point not to file a lawsuit, but quickseller is really playing with fire. His guilty until proven innocent mentality is against the law in the United States, there is no reason anyone should respect it or put up with it.

I know quickseller will get mad when he wakes up and sees my posts. He should realize this is entirely his fault, I was actually trying to avoid him and would've never made any anti-quickseller posts if it wasn't for his outrageous behavior towards me.

Clearly he does not realize his unlawful actions have consequences, since he is spewing libel left and right against many members. Every libelous post he makes opens up another opportunity for cops at his door and court ordered fines. I'm not going to be the one to do it, but it's inevitable at this rate.

For him to be guilty of libel you need to prove that he intentionally made a false statement of a fact in order to damage your business and not that he held a false opinion. He's entitled to have his own opinion and that is not libel.

It is libel. Tongue

He also labelled Da Dice a scam without any evidence.
He said so multiple times across threads not just in the trust feedbacks.

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