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September 14, 2015, 09:58:18 AM
Yup, from one account. In case you didn't notice, I was advocating for the identities of everyone who voted and how to be revealed.

The same person was not trying to make it appear that multiple people had the opinion of one person...
I guess we can agree that I'm really stupid because I don't understand at all.  When you were talking to yourself in a thread posting back and forth under at least two accounts, that means you were not trying to make it appear that multiple people had the same opinion?

I know I must be missing something but it seems like the crux of this issue you are having is about how you've been using many accounts to make it appear that you are more people than you are.  Or wait, maybe you ARE many people?  Is Quickseller a collective?
What are you talking about? I was posting under Panthers52 account and later when it was revealed that QS=p52, I posted there, responding to someone else under my QS account.

I'm not really sure how that is suppose to be me talking to myself as it should have been fairly clear that one person was posting considering the handle was the same.
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September 14, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
Yup, from one account. In case you didn't notice, I was advocating for the identities of everyone who voted and how to be revealed.

The same person was not trying to make it appear that multiple people had the opinion of one person...
I guess we can agree that I'm really stupid because I don't understand at all.  When you were talking to yourself in a thread posting back and forth under at least two accounts, that means you were not trying to make it appear that multiple people had the same opinion?

I know I must be missing something but it seems like the crux of this issue you are having is about how you've been using many accounts to make it appear that you are more people than you are.  Or wait, maybe you ARE many people?  Is Quickseller a collective?
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September 14, 2015, 09:40:30 AM
Forum polls are worthless. That thread only has most likely ~7-10 people posting the same opinion from ~50 accounts.
Oh, I think I know what you mean, I saw this poll where it seems that the same person posted at least 9 of the 14 posts in the thread. Did you end up voting in that one, QS/panthers52?
Yup, from one account. In case you didn't notice, I was advocating for the identities of everyone who voted and how to be revealed.

The same person was not trying to make it appear that multiple people had the opinion of one person...
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September 14, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Forum polls are worthless. That thread only has most likely ~7-10 people posting the same opinion from ~50 accounts.
Oh, I think I know what you mean, I saw this poll where it seems that the same person posted at least 9 of the 14 posts in the thread. Did you end up voting in that one, QS/panthers52?
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September 14, 2015, 09:31:16 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

But why you want to dox him/her. He/she did not scammed anyone. So no need to doxing.

QS threatens Vod with sue menaces and acuses him of commiting crimes, yet has his/her identity hidden so he can do and speak anything without fear of retaliation.

I don't think a DOX would be unfair

Saying something and doing different thing. When QS will try to sue VOD his/her identity will reveal automatically.

I still don't support QS Dox.
My wish is that Vod stop libeling my reputation. His statements are factually inaccurate.
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September 14, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
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September 14, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

But why you want to dox him/her. He/she did not scammed anyone. So no need to doxing.

QS threatens Vod with sue menaces and acuses him of commiting crimes, yet has his/her identity hidden so he can do and speak anything without fear of retaliation.

I don't think a DOX would be unfair

Saying something and doing different thing. When QS will try to sue VOD his/her identity will reveal automatically.

I still don't support QS Dox.

Gotta agree here...i don't see why a small matter such as this has to be escalated to such proportions ...
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September 14, 2015, 09:15:47 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

But why you want to dox him/her. He/she did not scammed anyone. So no need to doxing.

QS threatens Vod with sue menaces and acuses him of commiting crimes, yet has his/her identity hidden so he can do and speak anything without fear of retaliation.

I don't think a DOX would be unfair

Saying something and doing different thing. When QS will try to sue VOD his/her identity will reveal automatically.

I still don't support QS Dox.
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September 14, 2015, 08:54:31 AM
I'm still waiting for tspacepilot to answer Quickseller's questions.

why the fuck are all the scammers popping up here ? first tf, now you ... refund our god damn coins !!

Isn't hashie == TF? I've read it on this forum somewhere so it must be true.

Hashie has also named QS as escrow for this awesome deal: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-hashieco-domain-name-1179915 which kind of makes it look like someone's lame attempt at a joke.
I am not sure if TF was exclusively running hashie, but he was almost certainly the one who was behind the programming on the site that allowed money to be stolen when the blockchain.info API messed up. He was defiantly in control of the domain as of when the puzzle was put up after it got "hacked" because part of the puzzle was also on his personal blog.

I would not be surprised if TF is the one currently behind the hashie account and I would not be surprised if the auction is an attempt to troll.
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September 14, 2015, 08:30:25 AM
I'm still waiting for tspacepilot to answer Quickseller's questions.

why the fuck are all the scammers popping up here ? first tf, now you ... refund our god damn coins !!

Isn't hashie == TF? I've read it on this forum somewhere so it must be true.

Hashie has also named QS as escrow for this awesome deal: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-hashieco-domain-name-1179915 which kind of makes it look like someone's lame attempt at a joke.
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September 14, 2015, 08:23:45 AM
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September 14, 2015, 03:55:40 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

But why you want to dox him/her. He/she did not scammed anyone. So no need to doxing.

QS threatens Vod with sue menaces and acuses him of commiting crimes, yet has his/her identity hidden so he can do and speak anything without fear of retaliation.

I don't think a DOX would be unfair
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September 14, 2015, 03:28:50 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.

But why you want to dox him/her. He/she did not scammed anyone. So no need to doxing.
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September 14, 2015, 02:51:14 AM
This whole thing is sort of sad really. At the end of the day, I would still trade with QS and would even have no issues sending first. He did a good job busting scams etc... I just do not get why he did the self escrow stuff  Undecided. While the self escrow thing was shady - not really sure it was a "scam" - more in the grey area.


What about the 'fake' 3 days ban from the forum? Only an opinion and obviously you are free to don't reply to my question.

I do not get the fake ban, but did it really affect anything? Maybe he thought a couple day break would clear his thoughts, and slow down the pitchforks? I think the only thing he did bad was the self-escrow thing.
I think he said at some point in this thread that he took the fake ban in order to allow his alt, panthers52, to attempt to respond to tsp as if there were other people who supported qs.

So more lies... so far quickseller has always denied that he had alt accounts or when they are exposed he always denies it first, if he just told everyone that those are his alt accounts no one will say anything, but he always denies it which makes him look suspicious


he doesn't deny neither he says yes when they are their alts, so no one would say he lied when someone prove that his alt is his alt.

of course the way he speaks makes you believe he denied, but he never did
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September 14, 2015, 02:38:03 AM
This whole thing is sort of sad really. At the end of the day, I would still trade with QS and would even have no issues sending first. He did a good job busting scams etc... I just do not get why he did the self escrow stuff  Undecided. While the self escrow thing was shady - not really sure it was a "scam" - more in the grey area.


What about the 'fake' 3 days ban from the forum? Only an opinion and obviously you are free to don't reply to my question.

I do not get the fake ban, but did it really affect anything? Maybe he thought a couple day break would clear his thoughts, and slow down the pitchforks? I think the only thing he did bad was the self-escrow thing.
I think he said at some point in this thread that he took the fake ban in order to allow his alt, panthers52, to attempt to respond to tsp as if there were other people who supported qs.

So more lies... so far quickseller has always denied that he had alt accounts or when they are exposed he always denies it first, if he just told everyone that those are his alt accounts no one will say anything, but he always denies it which makes him look suspicious
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September 14, 2015, 02:34:45 AM
I'm still waiting for tspacepilot to answer Quickseller's questions.

why the fuck are all the scammers popping up here ? first tf, now you ... refund our god damn coins !!
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September 14, 2015, 02:31:46 AM
Since I don't think you are stupid, I can only conclude you're unable to stop yourself from trying to rationalize your behavior and you're unwilling to just admit you're not right.

Let me give you an analogy and you can try to explain how your situation is any different.

Alice owns a small private airplane and hires Bob, an airplane engine mechanic to perform maintenance.
Afterward, Alice decides it would be prudent to have a second mechanic just double check the engine.  She hired Charlie, but it's really Bob who has a disguise and a fake mustache. 

Alice flies her plane, it works fine, no one gets hurt.  Bob points to this fact to rationalize his behavior. 
But his friend David is giving him flak for the deception, so Bob decides not to cash the second check made to Charlie.  Now he really feels good because no one got hurt and he never double charged Alice.

But what he's missing is that he deceived Alice, deprived her of the benefit of lower risk, and justified it all by pointing that he had done the job correctly.  Using insanely twisted logic, he says: "well if I didn't know what I was doing, the plane would have gone down, but that would have happened the same if she didn't hire a second mechanic to double check, or if I did the checking myself."

so, how is what you did any different than "Bob"?
There are several differences.

First, in your situation in the event that Bob had made a mistake, the damage would be irreversible. Lives would be lost, and people cannot be "unkilled", once those on board the airplane are dead, that is the end of their lives, period. On the other hand, if the escrow makes a mistake (eg they send to the incorrect address, they release escrow to a party that he should not have released to and later additional information is discovered to have been available to the escrow that would reveal he should have released to the other party, ect), then the escrow will need to cover the losses out of his own pocket. The escrow making a mistake is something that can be fixed.

Secondly your example lacks the checks and balances of the other trading partner. The plane will takeoff only with the two signatures from Bob. When escrowing your own deal, you will need the authorization of the person you are dealing with to send funds to yourself. Granted there is the potential for a conflict of interest in this case, however it is my policy, (and although this clause was not included in the specific agreements in question, it is written in other templates, and such a policy would have been enforced) that if it is not abundantly clear which side to take in a dispute then a scam accusation should be opened so the community can help moderate the dispute, this is not unlike what happened here but with an actual escrow involved. A similar point is that it is very rare for there to be any kind of dispute when dealing with escrow. Both when discussing deals I have been a direct party to and deals that I have escrowed, there really have not been any disputes that have not been extremely clearcut from the very beginning. I understand that many people are saying that there is no neutral third party, however I am really not aware of any situations where, based on the evidence available that it was anything but clearcut as to which party was in the right.

Thirdly, in your example Alice wants to hire a second mechanic to check behind Bob. However in the situations that I was involved in, Alice would have gladly asked Bob to both check the first time and the second time, and would have paid a premium for doing so.

My fourth and what I believe to be my strongest point is a slightly changed scenario. Instead of Alice only owning a single airplane, she owns an airline, and there is another employee, Zach. Although there is no policy or rule against wearing disguises, and although there is no policy explicitly allowing this practice, Zach will, on multiple occasions wear a disguise and be seen by many others that work for the airline. This fact is even brought up multiple times during company meetings and no one is critical of the practice. Some may miss this point, but Bob sees that this is happening out in the open and has no reason to believe anyone would be critical of of this behavior. As a result, Bob does what is described in your post after seeing Zach doing the exact same thing without consequence.



With the above being said, I have my right to my own opinion just like you have your right to your opinion. You have the right to believe that escrowing for ones self is wrong just like I have the right to have an opinion that there is no issue with this.

With that being said, I absolutely would not escrow for myself in the future without giving the proper disclosure that this is a possibility. It is clear that some are out to get blood and will stop at nothing to get it, and will use this as a way to extract such blood.

If I were to find out that I was trading with someone who was using themselves as escrow then I would not be in any way upset, nor would I make any attempt to call them out on the issue. 

If someone were to ask my opinion about escrowing for ones self then I would tell them there is a great risk that some may go after blood if this is revealed, but that I do not have any personal issue with it, and that they should make a disclosure that it is possible the escrow is wearing more then one hat.



It really is not going to be difficult to hide the fact that an account is your alt, even from the administration (at least in theory). If the community is going to "outlaw" the practice of escrowing for your own trades then people are going to assume that the escrow is not the same person as the person you are dealing with, however if there are additional risks to this practice as you claim, then people will make no effort into protecting themselves from these risks.
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September 14, 2015, 01:28:27 AM
I'm still waiting for tspacepilot to answer Quickseller's questions.
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September 14, 2015, 01:26:05 AM
Quickseller seems determined to take down Tomatocage with him/her, but in the long run they've both created a long term problem I don't think many people yet realise.

do you have a solution?
a simple copy script was discussed some pages back, but i dont think thats a good idea.

IMHO: anybody should just be aware when he trades here. the accounts you are talking about dont even have a posting history. i dont think many people will blindly trust them.
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September 14, 2015, 01:24:52 AM
I will have a full dox of Quickseller posted by Friday if not earlier and will continue to update it and bust his alts.
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