Topic: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid - page 4. (Read 3234 times)

You posted it as a Scam Accusation. What's the scam?


This isn't the thread I linked, though there's a good chance you also started that one too... YOUR thread was clearly born out of vindictiveness and the issue at hand doesn't seem to be a problem to anybody but you.



This post by TheNewAnon put it best:



Yes. It was none. Bumpkiss. You presented no evidence, you just said you "had evidence," which in your mind was because somebody told you so. Then you continued to bump the thread over a year after you created it with nothing new to substantiate your claims.


I'm not a big fan of ponzis either but the way you wrote up your thread title and OP makes it seem like dooglus was encouraging people to invest in it. He was not. Again, nobody cared about this issue but you.

The threads from my list you chose not to defend are horseshit, and you know it. If you just stuck to trying to do good instead of dig up meaningless dirt on others, you'd be a bit more respected around here. Your most recent battle against Hhampuz is purely vindictive and utterly unfounded, and it just helps cement your reputation for being habitually untrustworthy.

You forgot all about me.  

1) Quicksy called me a pedophile, but didn't care enough to report it then or now.

2) Quicksy claimed I was violent because I had a wonderful wish he would kill himself.

3) Quicksy claimed I was trying to pass myself off as a god.

4) Quicksy scammed a user for 20 bitcoin, saying he would use the money to dox and sue me.

I'm sure there are many more I have forgotten.

This is utter and complete ridiculousness. It looks to me like you do not want certain people to get criticized, regardless of any harm these people cause to others, and regardless of their behavior or violation of generally accepted community standards.

Perhaps you could point out where anyone had said I was "mistaken" when minerjones backed out of multiple auctions. For reference, here is a 24 page thread in which everyone except the OP agreed it is unacceptable to back out of auctions.

If you believe the allegation that money was missing from what was being entrusted to lauda, minerjones and blazed, I would refer you to this, this, and this post.

It was very clearly explained that TMAN was misrepresenting the relationship between the current high bid at the time on his auction and the retail cost of what he was selling. TMAN was also part of an extortion attempt in which he placed harassing phone calls to his victims family. Owlcatz was also an accomplice to this extortion attempt.

I was very clear as to the evidence I had regarding lauda's pill addiction from the start of the thread.

Helping ponzis with their code is in fact supporting the ponzi. Other types of support for ponzis is frowned upon around here. Others have received negative trust for even participating in ponzis, which is less of giving support than helping fix its code.

And I the same. I am sorry you feel this discussion is not productive. I feel as if it is very productive from my view point. I am forcing you to either explain your chain of logic or continue to dance around and find new distractions to avoid doing so. Either way we get to the core of your motivations by either working out the logic or demonstrating that you refuse to.

Hey I'm just giving you my view. I never venture into Politics & Society so I would not know what you post about there. You take it as you will, I wish we could have more productive conversations though, that's all.

That is interesting since I have been a vocal critic of militant feminists as anyone who is active in Politics & Society will attest. I think you are confusing persistence with inflexibility and lack of logic. I absolutely am one of the most persistent people you will ever meet, but that does not make me automatically inflexible or illogical. You might want to consider for a moment as well that this is exactly what it would look like from a perspective of some one who is wrong but refuses to admit it for whatever reason...

Arguing with you reminds of trying to argue with a militant feminist. There's no moving forward, there's no meet in the middle. You've made up your mind already even before you type out what it is you want to type out.  It's sad, because sometimes I feel like you bring up valid points but then we turn the corner and you've done a 360 and act very militant. Ugh.

No, I am saying you are claiming you must put the flag down or else there will be impending doom, as demonstrated in bold above.


We aren't talking about Vod, we are talking about standards. I don't care who you decide to trust. I do care how you use the system designed to warn people of fraud as a tool of retribution, especially as demonstrated by your selectively applied standards. I brought up Vod to prove the point you are willing to apply this standard to your opponents but not your pals. Inherent trustworthiness is subjective. The trust system is not supposed to be a trustworthiness ranking system, it is meant to be a system of indicating users likely to defraud others. Useful systems don't use subjective metrics. You can make subjective conclusions, but they shouldn't be used systematically because they are by their very nature unfit to be part of any objective system. I don't have to prove anything about Quickseller, the burden of proof is on the accuser. What grudges am I motivated by? Am I abusing the trust system to fight my grudges? What exactly do I win here? More stalking from halfwits like you? Am I supposed to be disappointed you put me on ignore? All you are doing is saving me time rebutting your half baked arguments.

First of all, we're not talking about Vod, we're talking about Quickseller, but since you brought it up, I would trust Vod 100 times before I trusted QS once.

Second of all, we're talking about inherent trustworthiness, which also has subjective metrics whose importance varies from individual to individual. I know you want to live in a world of black and white but the issue is more complex than that. QS is clearly motivated by personal grudges (as are you) so he fabricates malicious stories in order to get a kind of revenge on them.

You also didn't prove anything about QS - you rarely prove anything about anything - you just convince yourself that you do so that you can chalk another win in your imaginary "V" tally. Clearly not many other people around here see you as the infinite hot-streak victor that you see yourself as.


You're a child and there's clearly no point in trying to reason with you. I'm putting you back on ignore.

If you want to call me putting one flag on one confirmed scammer "calling upon the impending doom" that's on you. I've never made any such claims .

So you don't want to respond to any of the points I made but now I am some how obligated to reply to your distractions? That is not name calling, it is a descriptive term alluding to your behavior of calling out "THE SKY IS FALLING!" so you can rush in to save us from the imaginary doom you claim is impending.

You don't want to answer the question then? I really want to know as that would make things easier for me when making decisions in the future. Why you always have to resort to name-calling?

I know you know I am right, you are just playing a game of wills. The problem is this isn't a game you or anyone else will win. If you win, we all lose. Grow the fuck up chicken little. This whole pushing impending doom so you can step in to pretend to be the savior act is played out.

So how long should we wait from someone scamming to them not being held liable for that any longer? Just so that I know what guidelines to use. Some old time scammers could be getting a 2nd round of fun here soon if we base it off of a certain amount of years .

So why is it then you aren't opening a flag against Vod? He has been responsible for all the same acts as listed above. I have proven he was lying about me using his own contradicting words to justify his abusive negative ratings. If lying is the metric then about half of this forum can go into a dumpster. Also who gets to decide what is a lie and not just a difference of opinion, or simply a mistaken conclusion? Lying necessitates intent, and you have no way to prove in this case what exists only in the mind of another. The purpose of this system is to protect people from fraud, not to put ointment on your inflamed butt holes.





Then don't deal with him. See how simple that is? This is all about the fact he upset you. He didn't do any harm to you other than agitating you, and everyone knows it. Flagging people for making too many accusations is not a precedent that should be set, regardless of how stupid or baseless they are. Baseless accusations fail on their own lack of merits, no additional action is needed.

However punishing accusations again opens right up that 4 lane highway of abuse of being able to silence LEGITIMATE accusations against the people here MOST ABLE to rob massive amounts of value from the most amount of people. You are essentially putting the entire community at risk so you can play your little pretend game he is a threat and get your revenge. This demonstrates to me you don't give a fuck about this community or its safety, you just want your pound of flesh at any cost. You, by trying to justify these types of flags are far more of a threat to the security of the forum than Quickseller could ever be.

The real reason why QS is far from trustworthy and quite the opposite is because he has a long, established history of flat out lying about things. For years he's been taking personal grudges and turning them into baseless accusations, posting hundreds of times in accusatory threads even after it has been explained to him repeatedly why he is mistaken.

Let's go through some of them:

Hhampuz embezzling signature campaign funds from BestMixer - completely fabricated allegation based 100% on conjecturing and without real, substantiating evidence of claims

Is theymos okay with Blazed being on DT1 when he refuses to account for x00 btc - another series of unsubstantiated allegations in an attempt to damage the standing of Blazed, lauda, and minerjones

owlcatz dox information - doxing attempt on a user who did not scam anybody, not much more needs to be said

Former Staff member Lauda has a pill addiction - not a single shred of evidence produced by QS in 9 pages of discussion

Scammer TMAN - vindictive nonsense demonstrated to be wholly inaccurate

minerjones backing out of multiple auctions - posted in Scam Accusations even though no one had been scammed, clearly a smear attempt on MJ's reputation

Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades - QS believes the lack of blockchain evidence on the forum of a trade between 2 highly trusted members warrants a thread claiming they are engaging in "fake trades"

Dooglus is supporting ponzis - Scam Accusation against dooglus for fixing bugs in a script known to be used by Ponzis (he never scammed anyone, nor said he "supported ponzis")

He does have some insightful threads and posts from time to time, but based on the whole of his behavior over the years, I wouldn't trust QS with a wooden nickel.

We could always do both .

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I've not always disliked QS, I mean there was a reason for me even hiring him in one my campaigns but you see how far that took me? If you engage with QS regarding anything that involves money or otherwise you are at a high risk to get burned. I truly believe that and who would I be unless I warned others about it? (I'm not the only one either).

If that is wrong, theymos can oppose the flag and blacklist me + others (he already did with Lauda). I'll still be in support of it, some things are worth far more around here than the imaginary power that is being on DT.

You and I both know Quickseller is more of a threat to himself than you or anyone else. No one really believes your horse shit chicken little, people just don't like him so they are willing to persecute him. Show me a real scammer with proof and you can pour gasoline on him and I will light the match.

Standing silently and allowing something to happen is just as bad as taking part. You do you, I won't be idle and let someone fall prey to QS's manipulative behaviour.

There is plenty of room in the box, but I think Suchmoon is sleeping right now so I will have to show you later.

I am stopping me, because I am trying to show you goobers you have an opportunity for a reset here and you are immediately setting it on fire just to continue your little obsessions. Quickseller has no authority. You do. Grow the fuck up and get over it.