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Quote from: The-One-Above-All on June 13, 2019, 08:02:30 AM

This appears to be a vindictive attack on QS merely because he has presented some observable instances that cast suchmoon, and suchmoons possible alt lauda in a bad light.

Hell no. If anyone is to be tagged under a new trust system, it is Quickseller and his alt accounts. I don't have a link to the thread where his escrow scam got exposed, but I'm sure you're aware of it. The huge problem IMO is that he doesn't even realize what he did was wrong to this day--and he's been known (AFAIK; will retract this if proven to be false) to use alt accounts as sockpuppets to strengthen his arguments in threads, which is very dishonest.

This is not a vendetta. This is a long-standing issue with Quickseller and his reputation. It doesn't surprise me in the least that suchmoon started this thread. If it wasn't suchmoon, it would have been Vod or someone else.

I don't feel threatened by QS, however. The reason for that is because it would appear that very few people of note take him seriously unless he's got very hard evidence of something. If he does something retaliatory, it's very obvious and laughable even. Frankly I'm not sure why someone with such a disgraced reputation would even be here anymore. Ah well, it will remain a mystery.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 01:24:40 PM

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on June 13, 2019, 01:15:35 PM

@suchmoon - I believe what the others are trying to say is that YOU need evidence to back up your claim that people dealing with QuickSeller are at risk of losing their funds - you made that accusation yet show nothing in relative evidence to back up that people will lose their money to QuickSeller - your basing your claim solely on the fact that Quickseller made an accusation against someone.

Amazing that for just yesterday you bashed me for leaving negative feedback on someone who falsely (with no evidence) accused me and 5 other forum members of scamming him - and here you are trying to put one on Quickseller simply because he made an accusation against someone and you dont like it....

I didn't "bash" you, I just said that retaliatory red trust is frowned upon and tried to explain why I think so. You're free to do what you like.

Quickseller's case is not comparable to yours. He didn't merely spam someone's trust feedback from a sockpuppet account, he created a frivolous scam accusation thread in retaliation to getting fired and has explicitly stated that he's aiming to cause business problems for Hhampuz.

You're welcome to oppose the flag if your disagree.

ok maybe bash is not the right term- the point is you were saying my justified feedback about a guy who accused me falsely as well as several others was retaliation when it was not retaliation. He left a false statement and I left feedback stating as such.

And by no means am I backing QS here either - I am simply stating that QS has provided some "evidence" to back up his claim - whether that "evidence" is valid or legitimate is not for me to decide nor do I plan to even review it. I am simply pointing out that is simply retaliation - you stated that people will lose their money when dealing with QS - and your "evidence" is his accusation.

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on June 13, 2019, 01:15:35 PM

@suchmoon - I believe what the others are trying to say is that YOU need evidence to back up your claim that people dealing with QuickSeller are at risk of losing their funds - you made that accusation yet show nothing in relative evidence to back up that people will lose their money to QuickSeller - your basing your claim solely on the fact that Quickseller made an accusation against someone.

Amazing that for just yesterday you bashed me for leaving negative feedback on someone who falsely (with no evidence) accused me and 5 other forum members of scamming him - and here you are trying to put one on Quickseller simply because he made an accusation against someone and you dont like it....

I didn't "bash" you, I just said that retaliatory red trust is frowned upon and tried to explain why I think so. You're free to do what you like.

Quickseller's case is not comparable to yours. He didn't merely spam someone's trust feedback from a sockpuppet account, he created a frivolous scam accusation thread in retaliation to getting fired and has explicitly stated that he's aiming to cause business problems for Hhampuz.

You're welcome to oppose the flag if your disagree.

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@suchmoon - I believe what the others are trying to say is that YOU need evidence to back up your claim that people dealing with QuickSeller are at risk of losing their funds - you made that accusation yet show nothing in relative evidence to back up that people will lose their money to QuickSeller - your basing your claim solely on the fact that Quickseller made an accusation against someone.

Amazing that for just yesterday you bashed me for leaving negative feedback on someone who falsely (with no evidence) accused me and 5 other forum members of scamming him - and here you are trying to put one on Quickseller simply because he made an accusation against someone and you dont like it....

edit - without reading all of QuickSeller's post on his accusation against Hhampuz - there is one difference between his accusation and yours - he is providing proof, will need to be verified of course. All you are providing is that you BELIEVE there is risk because of his accusation....

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 11:28:48 AM

Also, FYI, reporting possible crimes is protected speech under libel laws, so your rational doesn’t hold water.

I'm not suing you, I'm just saying (based on the lack of proof in your accusations) that I consider your frivolous accusations a dangerous behavior pattern with intent to harm.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 11:25:36 AM

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Time to start making some phone calls

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 11:17:32 AM

You aren't presenting any evidence he is likely to lose anyone money. Your beliefs are irrelevant.

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suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe

Due largely to the frivolous accusation against Hhampuz, I believe users dealing with Quickseller have a high risk of losing money, directly or indirectly, as a result of Quickseller's unpredictable and dangerous actions.

That is ridiculous. If anyone needs an example of a frivolous flag, this is it.

Also, FYI, reporting possible crimes is protected speech under libel laws, so your rational doesn’t hold water.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 11:17:32 AM

You aren't presenting any evidence he is likely to lose anyone money. Your beliefs are irrelevant.

[...]

suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe

Due largely to the frivolous accusation against Hhampuz, I believe users dealing with Quickseller have a high risk of losing money, directly or indirectly, as a result of Quickseller's unpredictable and dangerous actions.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 11:07:04 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 10:27:44 AM

I would also oppose a flag on Hhampuz based on the evidence I have seen so far. He has a right to make poorly formed accusations. You don't have a right to punish him for it.

The yellow box is specifically designed to warn newbies and guests. Based on the comment below I feel more justified to use it than e.g. old-school negative trust, which had a red warning visible to everyone. I believe newbies and guests should be made aware of Quickseller's bad business habits and that is not a punishment but rather information to help them make informed choices.

Quote from: theymos on June 12, 2019, 10:39:27 PM

There are three very separate scopes for trust which need to be kept separate. Newbie-warning flags are only for warning newbies, not for warning experienced members who should know better, or for harming the target. The "#" symbol is supposed to be inconspicuous, since it's not supposed to be a warning or a "mark of shame".

(I won't rule out adding a per-post warning for newbies if people evade the per-topic warnings, though.)

You aren't presenting any evidence he is likely to lose anyone money. Your beliefs are irrelevant. Objective facts are relevant. That is the entire purpose of this new flag system, you have to provide something more than your beliefs.

"suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Quickseller is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 10:27:44 AM

I would also oppose a flag on Hhampuz based on the evidence I have seen so far. He has a right to make poorly formed accusations. You don't have a right to punish him for it.

The yellow box is specifically designed to warn newbies and guests. Based on the comment below I feel more justified to use it than e.g. old-school negative trust, which had a red warning visible to everyone. I believe newbies and guests should be made aware of Quickseller's bad business habits and that is not a punishment but rather information to help them make informed choices.

Quote from: theymos on June 12, 2019, 10:39:27 PM

There are three very separate scopes for trust which need to be kept separate. Newbie-warning flags are only for warning newbies, not for warning experienced members who should know better, or for harming the target. The "#" symbol is supposed to be inconspicuous, since it's not supposed to be a warning or a "mark of shame".

(I won't rule out adding a per-post warning for newbies if people evade the per-topic warnings, though.)

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 09:06:44 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 08:38:53 AM

You will notice, before belief part it says "Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic", and I don't see you substantiating any risk of theft. I do however see you making lots of claims based on his opinions, which is explicitly prohibited.

The flag doesn't say anything about risk of theft. We can play word games all day long. I believe the presented facts point to Quickseller's intent to cause harm in retaliation to Hhampuz. You don't. Sounds like an excellent case to oppose.

You play all the semantic games you like. I still don't see any evidence of him losing anyone money, or him engaging in trade activity that would result in that.

"suchmoon alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Quickseller is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

I would also oppose a flag on Hhampuz based on the evidence I have seen so far. He has a right to make poorly formed accusations. You don't have a right to punish him for it.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 10:18:02 AM

Oh, so you think the scam accusation against Hhampuz is frivolous because the victim is potentially in jail, or is running from the authorities? Or do you have a problem with it because the scam accusation stands to reduce the income of some of your friends?

I think the accusation is frivolous because it lacks proof. Nice try arguing that with more made-up stuff. Is the victim really in jail? Is the victim really running from the authorities? Do I have friends even?

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 10:18:02 AM

It’s funny you didn’t feel this way when you were harassing many other companies over the years.

Well, if you want to start an accusation against me on behalf of Homero Garza (who is actually in prison) - feel free to do so. In your own thread of course.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 10:00:57 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:56:33 AM

not a lot of evidence.

Let me know when you have some, particularly if a victim of the alleged scam comes forward to accuse Hhampuz.

Oh, so you think the scam accusation against Hhampuz is frivolous because the victim is potentially in jail, or is running from the authorities? Or do you have a problem with it because the scam accusation stands to reduce the income of some of your friends?

It’s funny you didn’t feel this way when you were harassing many other companies over the years.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:56:33 AM

not a lot of evidence.

Let me know when you have some, particularly if a victim of the alleged scam comes forward to accuse Hhampuz.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 09:43:29 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:39:19 AM

1- what six are you referring to?

The six-pack you downed before logging on... I can't deal with your drunk ramblings, sober up and stay on topic. Bullshit about the "bot" goes here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349

Lots of ad-hominem and smear attacks and not a lot of evidence.

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:39:19 AM

1- what six are you referring to?

The six-pack you downed before logging on... I can't deal with your drunk ramblings, sober up and stay on topic. Bullshit about the "bot" goes here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 09:25:43 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:18:57 AM

Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

Bold-faced lie and you have zero proof of it. Still not flag-worthy since it doesn't really affect me in any significant way.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:18:57 AM

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

The statements you made about Hhampuz are not opinions. You presented them as statements of fact with no proof.

Remove the dox, I wouldn't want you to get into trouble for that.

1- what six are you referring to? I didn’t associate any name with any forum alias. Are you saying that a name posted somewhere is associated with a forum member?

2- You are running a bot and are using it as a weapon. It is not possible to effectively check for plagiarism without compiling a database of posts, or potential sources plagiarized posts would be copied from. As such it is trivial to check any arbitrary persons posts for plagiarism. At least one person was banned for plagiarism very shortly after opposing your supporters. I have observed you being last online consistently within seconds of when I viewed your profile at all hours of the day without deviation. This has been observed over an extended period of time. As such you are having your bot use your account to obtain posts from the forum.

3 - there is blockchain evidence that Hhampuz both took the money from BestMixer and that he took out a loan prior to taking the money from BestMixer. Further there is evidence that he took out a loan based on Hhampuz send and received trust history.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 13, 2019, 07:37:15 AM

Reserved for Quickseller's alts

Quickseller has many known and unknown alt accounts. This post will be used as a reference for flags on his alts as they become known.

ACCTseller Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=81
Panthers52 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=82

I believe if you go down my Trust Wall searching for "Quickseller" you'll find numerous examples. I can point you to some threads I started that are in the "Investigations" sub-section as well. (Page two or three I believe - shouldn't be too hard to spot them - account sellers etc)

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:18:57 AM

Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

Bold-faced lie and you have zero proof of it. Still not flag-worthy since it doesn't really affect me in any significant way.

Quote from: Quickseller on June 13, 2019, 09:18:57 AM

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

The statements you made about Hhampuz are not opinions. You presented them as statements of fact with no proof.

Remove the dox, I wouldn't want you to get into trouble for that.

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Obviously this thread is complete bullshit and is a response to my calling out suchmoon for using a bot to check for plagiarism and use said bot as a weapon to get those who dissent the opinions of her supporters.

There are no facts nor “red flags” presented in this thread and it is explicitly stated that suchmoon doesn’t like my opinions and is doesn’t want others listening to my opinions, likely because she believes I will convince others to oppose her supporters.

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Please help me to understand it Suchmoon.

https://i.imgur.com/Kw8In81.png

There were already a flag by Hhampuz. Instead of supporting it you had to create a new one. Why?

I hope you did not miss it:

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Also, if exchange xyz makes an exit scam, is that considered one incident that can only be flagged once? Or can each victim make their own flag?

It's probably best if one of the victims makes a flag and the rest support it.

Why are some of you are becoming mad with this new trust flags system? First Lauda and now looks like you who is pushing it hard.

Stop it. You are better than this.

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