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February 13, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
#50
Collateral is a Suggestion not a Rule...I lend without it from time to time. It is the lenders choice if they require collateral to lend or not.

Would you be willing to lend him 60 BTC without collateral? If someone were to lend him that much, what do you think the chances are that he would repay the loan (be sure to look at his trust first)?

I lent someone very close to this amount, no collateral. Got at least half of it back, the rest still not due yet  Wink. But obviously such large transaction like this without collateral is extremely rare.

Ok continue on...


well use the collateral The puddle faucets.  for a loan Smiley
legendary
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February 13, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
#49
Collateral is a Suggestion not a Rule...I lend without it from time to time. It is the lenders choice if they require collateral to lend or not.

Would you be willing to lend him 60 BTC without collateral? If someone were to lend him that much, what do you think the chances are that he would repay the loan (be sure to look at his trust first)?

I lent someone very close to this amount, no collateral. Got at least half of it back, the rest still not due yet  Wink. But obviously such large transaction like this without collateral is extremely rare.

Ok continue on...
legendary
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February 13, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
#48
lol Quickseller you gone far away from Vod, Vod negative feedback 99.99% times for newbie who just post loan thread without collateral or scam accusation of anyone. You start your own BTCTALK Policing to all account who do big loan or big trade.

Do you think anyone here fool who will just give 60 BTC to anyone without collateral or without knowing him/herself since long time.

May be in future I will make thread to post for selling 50-100 BTC then you come and asking me all details or signed address.

So be in limit.
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February 13, 2015, 03:16:11 PM
#47
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?


yea quick seller all of this was already given.
You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this.
Yea quickseller if you dont know what you are talking about or you seem to not know what is going on please stop trying to make your self a know it all.

are you not quickseller the one that posted on this thread?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10262821

or is there another quickseller on this forum or do you share accounts.

Because for you to say "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " when you have clearly have posted on it before.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10401999
That thread does not show you have actually received any revenue. It does not show any expenses. It does not even discuss TOS of any advertisers. All it has is a screenshot of what appears to be an Adsense account. As mentioned above having your Adsense account credited and actually receiving revenue are two separate things.


? Okay man I am out of this your so something else.  It is my adsense account with earnings and you still deny it. 
expenses are 2.1 btc like stated in the thread. why would I just post it. of course if there is a buyer I will show everything before sale I even asked if you wanted to see my adsense account and faucetbox account you denied. so just stop, you wouldn't know proof if i was right  on your nose.

funny how you didnt bring this up any more. "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " you clearly seen it.  now your going to deny it?

no need to post here  any more.   
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February 13, 2015, 02:57:47 PM
#46
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?


yea quick seller all of this was already given.
You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this.
Yea quickseller if you dont know what you are talking about or you seem to not know what is going on please stop trying to make your self a know it all.

are you not quickseller the one that posted on this thread?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10262821

or is there another quickseller on this forum or do you share accounts.

Because for you to say "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " when you have clearly have posted on it before.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10401999
That thread does not show you have actually received any revenue. It does not show any expenses. It does not even discuss TOS of any advertisers. All it has is a screenshot of what appears to be an Adsense account. As mentioned above having your Adsense account credited and actually receiving revenue are two separate things.
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February 13, 2015, 02:53:38 PM
#45
lol , why do you guys not just pm eachother concerning this , thanks for giving the community some drama tho.. im on legendster's side nobody should get marked a scammer just cause their asking for a loan.
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February 13, 2015, 12:26:16 PM
#44
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?


yea quick seller all of this was already given.
You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this.
Yea quickseller if you dont know what you are talking about or you seem to not know what is going on please stop trying to make your self a know it all.

are you not quickseller the one that posted on this thread?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10262821

or is there another quickseller on this forum or do you share accounts.

Because for you to say "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " when you have clearly have posted on it before.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10401999
legendary
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February 13, 2015, 12:10:16 PM
#43
I haven't seen people in the past be discouraged from scamming large amounts because there identities were public. From all the scams that have gone on having your identity public really doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, most of the large scams that have been pulled off were from people who've already had their identities known.

Yes it necessarily doesnt mean that someone whose identity is in public cant or wont scam but generally scammers tend to hide their identity not openly display it.

I hope I dont have to explain myself any further.

Scammers who scam small amounts tend to hide their identity. Almost every large amount scammed the persons identity has already been known by the community.
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February 13, 2015, 11:58:11 AM
#42
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?


yea quick seller all of this was already given.
You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this.
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February 13, 2015, 11:54:36 AM
#41
I haven't seen people in the past be discouraged from scamming large amounts because there identities were public. From all the scams that have gone on having your identity public really doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, most of the large scams that have been pulled off were from people who've already had their identities known.

Yes it necessarily doesnt mean that someone whose identity is in public cant or wont scam but generally scammers tend to hide their identity not openly display it.

I hope I dont have to explain myself any further.
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February 13, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
#40
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?


yea quick seller all of this was already given.
legendary
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February 13, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
#39
I haven't seen people in the past be discouraged from scamming large amounts because there identities were public. From all the scams that have gone on having your identity public really doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, most of the large scams that have been pulled off were from people who've already had their identities known.
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February 13, 2015, 10:43:21 AM
#38
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan. 


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.


Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?
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February 13, 2015, 10:29:35 AM
#37
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.


1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan.  


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.




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February 13, 2015, 10:27:28 AM
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February 13, 2015, 10:20:23 AM
#35

LOL! Cheesy Yup, pretty much what this forum is devolving into right now Cheesy

I seriously have no time to have a cat fight with Johnie or Quicky I just wanted to bring this matter in public so this guy's idiocy is evident to all.
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February 13, 2015, 08:24:03 AM
#34

LOL! Cheesy Yup, pretty much what this forum is devolving into right now Cheesy
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February 13, 2015, 07:23:43 AM
#33
You are asking for a large sum of money WITHOUT collateral which is one of the lending section rules. You should be getting negged based on that.

Don't see how Quickseller overreacted.

You could consider his reputation is the collateral. A newbie asking for a loan without a collateral is really asking without a collateral because his reputation is negligeable.
In the case of OP it's not.
He has negative trust?
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February 13, 2015, 06:59:44 AM
#32
*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.
There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

Faucets which are still being payed have some sort of game-like feature. Eg:- freebitco.in(& sister faucet).

   -MZ
Yeah alienfaucets as well, and since the name of the site was Bitcoin puddle and since I am a pro animator I had a lot of plans with it.. so I dont really know where we can go from here but lets see how everything else turns out.
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February 13, 2015, 06:30:59 AM
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